money and i bought one this year and didnt use it once when i went to tiger games
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Don't see the fuss about Sumner. Admittedly I only saw the national champs games, but he was next to useless.
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He's got some exciting qualities with his speed, leap, strong mark. Needs to develop consistency but at 43 may be worth it. Could last till the rookie draft for all I know. Had a game in under 18's where he kicked 8 this year.
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Ranking them myself I'd go
1st Round: Garner, Vlastuin, Macrae.
2nd Round: Atkins, Pongracic, Broomhead, Carter, Warrell, Marsh.
Should add all can kick to a high level. Pongracic probably the weakest in this area but his ball-winning and role counteracts that IMO and he is still a good kick.
They can all win their own footy. Warrell probably the weakest at this but his skills are elite, has a good defensive game and can at least win some of his own ball and as a small forward you don't have to be a gun in this area.
From what I've heard/read they are all high character guys. Not sure on Warrell. Anyone else got info on how he interviewed?
1st Round: Garner, Vlastuin, Macrae.
2nd Round: Atkins, Pongracic, Broomhead, Carter, Warrell, Marsh.
Should add all can kick to a high level. Pongracic probably the weakest in this area but his ball-winning and role counteracts that IMO and he is still a good kick.
They can all win their own footy. Warrell probably the weakest at this but his skills are elite, has a good defensive game and can at least win some of his own ball and as a small forward you don't have to be a gun in this area.
From what I've heard/read they are all high character guys. Not sure on Warrell. Anyone else got info on how he interviewed?
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Any info on what we're actually looking to do or do you not have that info? Or do you, but aren't willing to divulge?
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Meanwhile others are putting their hard earned in to help get the club to where you want them to be before you spend a dime. Nice one!I am waiting to be fully convinced the number on goal of the club is to build a successful premiership team. I am going to such lengths because I have been waiting so long for success I am deliberately fighting a protest fight to help ensure Tigers are a little leaner to perform to do the absolute best to put itself in a position for on field and off field success(plus I live outside Victoria) . The rationale is a little tough love makes you stronger and all including the power brokers are answerable to the supporters which should never be forgotten.
So for me the bar is not about making finals necessarily but making decisions and bringing in the best plausible players to the team list which meet the objective of getting us the best team possible on the paddock for RFC at the optimum time(our premiership window) for us to win a premiership. This can be more easily scrutinised and effective as the cattle argument is the number one ingredient for premiership success IMO.
If I am 100% confident the selection criteria is impeccable or close to I will rest easy and get a membership because half the battle will be won. So while my confidence in the Tigers has improved I am not 100% confident. And if they pass on Grundy it will fall away again
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Imagine how the club would be placed if the majority of members had this mindset....
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Wow really. Didnt see that coming. Thought it was agreed he was going around again
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I understand everyone can't afford a membership yet want to support the Tigers in spirit. What I don't get is people who can afford a basic membership at least, withholding until we are basically in the 8. Without financial support from members they aren't just going to magic - no pun intended - money from no where in order to get there. Being in the 8 or even a GF we as members can say we are part of that and I'm happy to share that with all Tiger supporters however deliberate withholders are parasites in my book.
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i'm convinced that the off season is magic mushroom season
because they know passing on him wont cost them members
because they know passing on him wont cost them members
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If Tippett goes to GWS, there is no chance they will pick him. If he can get past Port at 7, we will have him at 9
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Well said.
If someone thinks something is wrong at the club, apply for a job there or run for the board - make the change happen. Refusing to buy a membership is a silent protest because no one knows its happening, and it changes nothing other than depriving the club of funds.
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That's a nice opinion.
So please tell me then, what factors, more specifically, do you think contributed to their massive improvement in one season with 8 more wins, and a premiership? (The went 16-2 with him, and 2-2 without him). They had no important additions or subtractions from the list. They had a massive increase in percentage also. Selwood contributed in his debut season almost 20 possessions, 5 marks and 5 tackles a game, while playing significant time as a ball extractor in the midfield, copping plenty of physical attention (as shown by the 36 frees he recieved for the year). He was a major reason for Gary Ablett's break-out season, where he had such a significant increase in output, averaging more than 10 disposals a match while still being able to have a similar impact on the scoreboard.
I believe his work in the midfield released all their midfielders from copping the attention they were getting in 2006, and was a huge reason for the improved seasons from Bartel and Corey. Selwood's importance to the Geelong structure is often understated, and had arguably the greatest first year of any player in the AFL, which was a lot due to the players already in the team.
Without thinking too much it's close but Garner has me. He's just quality. Macrae I like too but Garner has climbed so much he is the one I want.
On your other point, as much as I will back the club no one is perfect. Their system means mistakes will be minimal, but there could be issues when comparing Rucks with mids. Also this has not got to do with quality, we will get a good one no doubt, it's a list management issue I have. Grundy or Vlastuin or Garner could be equal, list management wise I'd take Grundy everytime.
I must say in some pretty bloody bleak years over the last 30 I have occasionally delayed joining up until the last week in my little protest.
My love for the club has been tested, but never broken. Now stronger than ever
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That's a nice opinion.
So please tell me then, what factors, more specifically, do you think contributed to their massive improvement in one season with 8 more wins, and a premiership? (The went 16-2 with him, and 2-2 without him). They had no important additions or subtractions from the list. They had a massive increase in percentage also. Selwood contributed in his debut season almost 20 possessions, 5 marks and 5 tackles a game, while playing significant time as a ball extractor in the midfield, copping plenty of physical attention (as shown by the 36 frees he recieved for the year). He was a major reason for Gary Ablett's break-out season, where he had such a significant increase in output, averaging more than 10 disposals a match while still being able to have a similar impact on the scoreboard.
I believe his work in the midfield released all their midfielders from copping the attention they were getting in 2006, and was a huge reason for the improved seasons from Bartel and Corey. Selwood's importance to the Geelong structure is often understated, and had arguably the greatest first year of any player in the AFL, which was a lot due to the players already in the team.
Haha calm ya farm mate
Almost your entire post is based on your opinion, doesnt make it right, nor does it make me wrong.
The fact 22 players make a team, and by your own admission, several players improved, I think it is ridiculous to link all this, plus team success to one 18 year old draftee playing in what turned out be a gun side.
I am afraid you lost me at " he was a major reason for Gary Abletts break out season". Is this the same Gary Ablett who has since gone to another level with lesser quality around him? I think you will find Gaz is the main reason Gaz had a break out season and has continued to do so, inspired by his team mates reaming him in an open forum.
Was Selwood a contributor? Well yes I agree. was every player on their list who played senior footy a contributor. Well one would also have to say yes. Was any one individual responsible? Hell to the no friend!
So let me confirm, if I may, Selwood propelled the Cats into the finals in 2007 in your opinion?
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I already said in a previous post the 8 has nothing to do with it for me, I am not chasing watching final games, I want the team to win a premiership.
I would donate a $1000 for sure to the club if I knew it would be spent for sure that would lead us to a premiership I could watch at home on the TV. The thing is I am not sure it would lead to a premiership atm although the prospects are better.
For example with GWS and Swans with salary cap bonus you know they will win again
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That's a nice opinion.
So please tell me then, what factors, more specifically, do you think contributed to their massive improvement in one season with 8 more wins, and a premiership? (The went 16-2 with him, and 2-2 without him). They had no important additions or subtractions from the list. They had a massive increase in percentage also. Selwood contributed in his debut season almost 20 possessions, 5 marks and 5 tackles a game, while playing significant time as a ball extractor in the midfield, copping plenty of physical attention (as shown by the 36 frees he recieved for the year). He was a major reason for Gary Ablett's break-out season, where he had such a significant increase in output, averaging more than 10 disposals a match while still being able to have a similar impact on the scoreboard.
I believe his work in the midfield released all their midfielders from copping the attention they were getting in 2006, and was a huge reason for the improved seasons from Bartel and Corey. Selwood's importance to the Geelong structure is often understated, and had arguably the greatest first year of any player in the AFL, which was a lot due to the players already in the team.
No one is doubting Selwood was a great pick up but i think there was more to it then that. Don't forget 04 they just lost a prelim to Brisbane and in 05 they almost beat the premiers sydney in sydney except for about 5 seconds and nick davis magic. 06 was an aberration.
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So you still haven't answered my question? What specific factors were responsible to such a massive improvement in one season? The only thing I think you are alluding to is the natural improvement of the whole team? I agree is a given, but every club has this but doesn't lead to 8 more wins in a season and a premiership. The fact is their first round draft pick came straight into their team and helped form the Cats major strength for the next two premierships, their midfield. That isn't my opinion but at the time a view shared by most people in football.
Mark Thompson stated after his first season:
"He's incredible," Thompson said. "He is the best young kid we've had at the club by a mile. I mean we've had Gary Ablett, Jimmy Bartel, Cameron Ling, Joel Corey, those sorts of guys, but he is the best we have had. He is going to be pretty special."
Brendan Mcartney: "In December and in pre-season drills, he made his older teammates sit up and take notice with the way he conducted himself at training and the way he handled contest drills and drills where you had to be good in traffic and know a fair bit about the game.”
It is also now known that the Geelong coaching staff had a highlights package made of his 4th game that year, to show the rest of the team what level of performance/effort expected from them.
Other facts are he won the rising star award, and best first year player award. Facts, not opinion.
There were many people singing Joel’s praises during that season, and the impact he had on the club. What other factors, other than your opinion, would you like to suggest were behind the massive improvement Gary had that year. Adding a brilliant in and under player along side him I would have thought was a pretty clear indicator of such improvement.
Absolutely. His work ethic, his support for the other midfielders and his on field performance was a major factor for their massive improvement from 2006, as attested by most people at the club that year.
Hello Newman!
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06 they definitely under performed, but this was later shown to be largely due to work ethic of the players at the time. Joel set a new standard in training and fearless attack on the field which many players embraced.
As a side, I can't remember the personnel changes after 04/05 but may have contributed to the drop off in 06.
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My point is, I believe we are in a similar situation to Geelong post 06, and a gun inside mid can see us have significant onfield improvements next year. I'm all for drafting either Vlastuin or Garner.
Do not think that will affect our pick. These two have been invited as I assume the Club believes Grundy will not be there at 9, and those two are the back-up plan?
Morro
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Hello Newman the reason I haven't gone into as much detail as you is I'm gob smacked by your opinion.
If u truly believe he propelled them into finals such was his influence in his first year I think I'm probably fighting a losing battle trying to reason with you.
I challenge you to find a single person on hear who agrees with you?
The funny thing is we both actually agree Vlas is exactly what we need but if you expect him to be the difference in finals or bust you are living in fantasy land.
If u truly believe he propelled them into finals such was his influence in his first year I think I'm probably fighting a losing battle trying to reason with you.
I challenge you to find a single person on hear who agrees with you?
The funny thing is we both actually agree Vlas is exactly what we need but if you expect him to be the difference in finals or bust you are living in fantasy land.
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