2012 draft

[tigs2010]

GWS eye Plowman at 3: http://m.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-...-in-at-the-draft/story-e6frf9jf-1226516135805

Landsberger predicts:

Whitfield
Toumpas
Plowman
Wines
O'Rourke
Menzel

Then, it's Port's call.....

He says later in the article he thinks Grundy could go at 7. I think I've read him having Jaksch at 8.

Would leave us Macrae, Mayes, Vlastuin, Garner, Garlett etc.

 

[UpTheGuts]

So it'd be Macrae, Vlas or Garner at 9.

8 days

 

[tigs2010]

UpTheGuts where did you get Quigley's read on him?

 

[richoatthedisco]

So it'd be Macrae, Vlas or Garner at 9.

8 days

Or Stringer.

 

[UpTheGuts]

UpTheGuts where did you get Quigley's read on him?

Lions board

 

[tigs2010]

Lions board

Ahh ok got excited he'd done his mock draft. Then couldn't find it.

 

[Tigerbob]

Quigley's (very long) assessment of Grundy:

Quite simply Grundy is the best and most complete junior ruckman that I have seen. In Natanui you could see the sublime talent but it was not there yet. With Grundy it is all on show and if GWS overlook him they have rocks in their heads. This is all the more impressive because he is a late comer to the game only crossing over from basketball as a 16 year old.

Grundy was impressive last year as a bottom aged player albeit as a bit of a beanpole. That has changed a great deal in the last twelve months. He has stacked on the weight and is a powerful, mature athlete now. He will continue to develop physically but he does not need to put on nearly as much weight as most young ruck prospects. He already has a powerful lower half which he uses to great effect during games. Unlike a lot of late basketball converts Grundy seems to thrive on the physical aspects of the game and he loves getting in there and throwing his weight around. In basketball terms he is more of a Howard style player rather than a Durant type. In AFL terms I expect him to become a Mumford style power ruck.

At junior level, Grundy was simply too big and too powerful for those he came up against this year. It was a poor year for ruck prospects and the difference between he and his closest competition was vast. Last year though as a skinny 17 year old he still did very well in the ruck contest against stronger opposition. He controls his taps very well and has excellent knowledge of where his mids are around him. He had a series of moves with the SA mids and executed many of them very well. He seemed to have a great understanding with Kennedy who benefited a great deal from the dominance Grundy was able to exert in the ruck. He is a little unusual with a two armed jumping style but it is effective and he gets good height on his jumps. He is a right handed tapper but is also a fan of the two hander which he brings out a few times each game.

In addition to being excellent in the ruck itself, Grundy is also very dangerous up forward and he is a regular multiple goal kicker. He uses his strength and height to great effect and if he weren’t going to be a ruck he could be a nice FF prospect. He moves well around the forward 50 and when he establishes position he is immovable by most KPDs. Grundy recovers quickly in contested situations and is surprisingly adept with the ball on the deck and has pretty clean and quick hands for such a big guy. He is a reasonably reliable shot for goal and can finish the opportunities he is given. There is a more than reasonable chance that Grundy could become a throwback to the old style goal-kicking ruckman like Paul Salmon kicking 30 or more goals a year. He is not particularly quick on an extended lead but on short leads he is hard to contain especially when he gets a good push off.

Contested marking is a feature of Grundy’s game no matter where he is on the field. He is adept at coming up with a stretch mark up forward, drifting in from the side through the middle of the park and dropping back into the hole in front of the leading forward down back. His hands are very soft and he absorbs contact without letting it affect his marking ability. He is a good judge of the ball in the air and takes it at a point where few non-rucks can reach. He tested very well in the running leap at the Combine and this combined with his height allows him to get up above virtually anyone.

Around the ground, Grundy is improving and would be pretty good for and under 18. His endurance is solid and he gets to contests and where he is needed. He does link up pretty well and his marking allows him to be a bail out option if needed. Skills wise he is a lot better than you expect of someone with a big with as little experience as he has. He usually plays within himself with his kicks going short to medium distance most often and at this range he tends not to overhit the ball and has nice feel on the kicks. When he goes for distance his technique changes a fair bit with him having a higher, two handed ball drop and leaning back when he punches it. More often than not though, when he goes for it it gets where he wants it to go so it’s hard to complain.

Apparently Grundy is not the brightest star in the night sky but that has not prevented many from enjoying long AFL careers (and in the media for that matter). He does seem coachable though and his development over the last couple of years is a testament to that. It looks like he listens to what his coaches want from him and then works hard to achieve that. He has quickly closed holes in his game and if he continues to do that he will be a multiple AA before the end of his career.

He's pretty much bang on with his assessment.

We are going to give this up for a midfielder? Hmmmmm.

 

[UpTheGuts]

He's pretty much bang on with his assessment.

We are going to give this up for a midfielder? Hmmmmm.

Heard anything that enables you to predict, Bob?

 

[Tigerbob]

Heard anything that enables you to predict, Bob?

Guys on here have better sources than I on Richmond and they are saying we will bypass now.

Staggers me but we will see. I just can't see how or why.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

I would be all over Mayes like and African on porridge . He'll control a wing and kick 30 goals in his first season.

Port will take Gundy who are Brisbane going to take?

 

[Lukey D]

what flaws then??? apparently he has a good leap better than Vickery happy to learn more, he certainly has a robust strong frame. He would have stronger legs than Vickery and probably a stronger core and for a ruckman shows great balance. For someone with a powerful frame he has very good tap work apparently already

mate, he has flaws. no one is perfect. if he had no flaws, we wouldnt be debating whether he was going to slide all the way to pick 9.

 

[ize_]

We are going to get one of Garner, Grundy, Vlastuin. And if we don't that only means we will be getting one of Menzel, O'Rourke or Mayes. Pretty damn stoked. We're going to get a very good player.

 

[tigertaskforce]

Guys on here have better sources than I on Richmond and they are saying we will bypass now.

Staggers me but we will see. I just can't see how or why.

perplexed as well if this is true passing on the best ruck talent when its honestly one of our 2 biggest needs but maybe they already have a ruck ready to go ill back the club on this

 

[Heisenberg_]

With pick 9 the ridiculous top 10 countdown will save some nerves for us Richmond supporters.
Gonna get a pretty bloody good player at the end of the day. The draw with Port may have some positives...

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

mate, he has flaws. no one is perfect. if he had no flaws, we wouldnt be debating whether he was going to slide all the way to pick 9.

Agree....Kreuzer was always going pick 1....(thank God)....that read above makes Grundy sound like he is destined to become the greatest ruckman of all time. I am confused with why he isn't an out and out number 1 pick with the way most are talking him up. The best player and the best ruckman in the draft are very different things!!

If GWS don't pass on him, then I'll believe all the hype. If he starts sliding through 4-5-6, then sorry, I'll go with all the experts at the clubs.

 

[UpTheGuts]

Kevin Sheehan on SEN just now: doesn't think Grundy will go top 3.

That much now looks pretty clear.

 

[Stylo]

With pick 9 the ridiculous top 10 countdown will save some nerves for us Richmond supporters.

Been canned. Things will be tense

 

[Capitano_Cotch]

Grundy is a jet, no doubt about it.
However, I think we should still be getting the best available mid with pick 9.
Then wouldn't mind giving a rookie spot to someone like Cameron Wood (only rookie spot, definitely not senior)
One more midfielder who has the potential to become elite and we're good to go.
Just my opinion anyway!

 

[Stylo]

This is the most bizarre draft. Just cannot pick it beyond top 5, could go any number of ways.

 

[tigs2010]

FWIW Landsberger has Grundy going to Port at 7. So doesn't look like we'd have a shot at him.

 

[UpTheGuts]

FWIW Landsberger has Grundy going to Port at 7. So doesn't look like we'd have a shot at him.

Meanwhile, Emma Quayle just tweeted (in an open tweet, not a reply to anyone) that if Port passes, Grundy may well get to 14!!!

Jay Clark says we would take him at 9 "in a heartbeat" if Port overlooks.

Have to say Port @ 7 still looks likely.

 

[_RT_]

Apparently we haven't even spoken to Grundy.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Meanwhile, Emma Quayle just tweeted (in an open tweet, not a reply to anyone) that if Port passes, Grundy may well get to 14!!!

Jay Clark says we would take him at 9 "in a heartbeat" if Port overlooks.

Have to say Port @ 7 still looks likely.

Still a little bemused why the Dees wouldnt be looking at him. I suppose they have Mitch Clark in a similar position and are screaming out for some quality midfielders but Clark is clearly a better forward than ruck and Jamar wont go for too much longer.

Port will be interesting as they probably need a Vlaustin more than we do and have a bit of depth in the ruck dept. Hope he goes to Port or us as that will allow him to line up for my Double Blues if he aint playing at the Power

 

[Capitano_Cotch]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151073/default.aspx

 

[In the Jungle]

Still a little bemused why the Dees wouldnt be looking at him. I suppose they have Mitch Clark in a similar position and are screaming out for some quality midfielders but Clark is clearly a better forward than ruck and Jamar wont go for too much longer.

Port will be interesting as they probably need a Vlaustin more than we do and have a bit of depth in the ruck dept. Hope he goes to Port or us as that will allow him to line up for my Double Blues if he aint playing at the Power

Wow, this is becomming a tense , wait & see game;
AFL just posted we are a real chance of Grundy at pick 9.
Like being a 10 year old, not being able to decide : Do l getm y first ever quality Gray Nicholls cricket bat, or do l get my real first real Sherrin football?
Either way, the kid has a big WIN.