2012 draft

[tigs2010]

I have a feeling Port will screw us and take Atkins.

Broomhead will be one of their picks. Reckon if they take Mayes/Menzel they'll go tall at the other 2nd rounder.

 

[Capitano_Cotch]

Add Grundy and that'll make it twice in one draft and three picks in a row since last year's PSD.

Is this the reason as to why we are constantly linked with their players

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Hope we get Grundy!

 

[UpTheGuts]

FYI - Thurlow article

http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2012/10/02/363013_sport-news.html

Bit Sam Fisher?

 

[THE_GUN]

Looks like there isnt much left to look foward to now that we already know who we will be taking in the draft
#9 - Vlastuin
#32 - Atkins
#34 - Thurlow
#43 - McGenniss

BORINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

How I would of been excited with.

#9 - Grundy / Menzel / Plowman
#32 - Garlett /Towers / Membrey /Kennedy
#34 - "" "" "" ""
#43 - SPENCER WHITE

 

[ohhhBigMalcho]

Looks like there isnt much left to look foward to now that we already know who we will be taking in the draft
#9 - Vlastuin
#32 - Atkins
#34 - Thurlow
#43 - McGenniss

BORINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

How I would of been excited with.

#9 - Grundy / Menzel / Plowman
#32 - Garlett /Towers / Membrey /Kennedy
#34 - "" "" "" ""
#43 - SPENCER WHITE

pretty much nailed it

 

[UpTheGuts]

Quayle article on Vlastuin today: http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news...s-control-nicks-hard-edge-20121119-29m6k.html

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Looks like there isnt much left to look foward to now that we already know who we will be taking in the draft
#9 - Vlastuin
#32 - Atkins
#34 - Thurlow
#43 - McGenniss

BORINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

How I would of been excited with.

#9 - Grundy / Menzel / Plowman
#32 - Garlett /Towers / Membrey /Kennedy
#34 - "" "" "" ""
#43 - SPENCER WHITE

If there I'd take a punt on Spencer White .

 

[UpTheGuts]

FYI - Tristan Foelander tweeted that we have always been keen on Vlas but we wanted to see him get more of the ball. In his last 2 games he picked up 30 and 29 possessions.
So that should have settled our interest

 

[Damo80]

Can't disagree with any of that. I'd probably still go Thurlow/Atkins over Smith but no guarantees they'll both be there.

I looked at Thurlow, but was a little unsure on where he would play at AFL level. Size wise seems a bit of an "in betweener", and thought we already have a couple of medium defenders in Dea and Batch. What are your thoughts on his potential role at AFL level?

 

[richoatthedisco]

Just passing on what i'd heard.

Yeah, I know. I wasn't having a crack.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

FYI - Tristan Foelander tweeted that we have always been keen on Vlas but we wanted to see him get more of the ball. In his last 2 games he picked up 30 and 29 possessions.
So that should have settled our interest

Yep im finally at the point where im going to be really dissapointed if we dont pick up Tigger. Grundy is still the one that make me think twice and it is a little concerning that people keep placing him in the early teens in their phantom drafts.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Nice little article on Tigger (and if your wondering why i keep using Tigger its cause i still cant f$&king spell his last name correctly )

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...s-control-nicks-hard-edge-20121119-29m6k.html

 

[Slattery_20]

Interesting to hear Lonergan came in at number one in the AFL's "AFL120e" rankings. Or what shifter refers to as their "Moneyball rankings". Previous number one's have been Devon Smith and Dion Prestia.

FWIW in 2010 they had Lucas Cook at about 10, and Swallow & Bennell didn't even make the top 10 (nor did Conca, Darling or Atley). I don't know what the hell it looks at exactly, but I wouldn't put a heap of stock in it.

 

[Slattery_20]

And even monfries went home because he wasn't wanted at the bombers. Very rarely do players go back to SA. Reminds me of a time someone from a south australian paper was in melbourne and interviewing cooney at a presser. Tried to start asking about whether he'd go back to SA and cooney said 'oh so you're from south australia? You got out too! '

FWIW, we would've been happy to keep him, and pay him what he's worth. We were not willing to match 4 years on something starting with 4 that Port offered. He didn't necessarily want to leave, just an offer he couldn't refuse.

 

[Slattery_20]

They mentioned his weight, and how he touched up Ottens in a game this year earning praise from him, and how the new ruck rules will see clubs looking at athletic big springed jumpers.

Just thinking clubs are sort of leaning away from these sorts recently (at least early), often preferring to go state league guys with a few years under their belts (Derickx/Campbell).String-beans go rookie or not at all (where is Miles Bolger these days? One of the gun rucks in the U18s for 2 years there)

I guess Richmond will be going ~5-6 picks, won't you? So maybe comes into consideration for the last few.

 

[UpTheGuts]

FWIW in 2010 they had Lucas Cook at about 10, and Swallow & Bennell didn't even make the top 10 (nor did Conca, Darling or Atley). I don't know what the hell it looks at exactly, but I wouldn't put a heap of stock in it.

It's nice, but I can't see how you assess Moneyball if you don't know what he'll cost

 

[tigs2010]

I looked at Thurlow, but was a little unsure on where he would play at AFL level. Size wise seems a bit of an "in betweener", and thought we already have a couple of medium defenders in Dea and Batch. What are your thoughts on his potential role at AFL level?

Pretty much wherever we want him to play. He's more versatile than the other two. We obviously wanted to try Batch further up the ground in NAB Cup this year and it didn't really work and he showed he's really just a HBF but a bloody good one. Whereas I think Thurlow could play on a wing. We always push a wing back into defence loose anyway which would suit him perfectly with his reading of the play but he could also push forward and get dangerous.

Looks like there isnt much left to look foward to now that we already know who we will be taking in the draft
#9 - Vlastuin
#32 - Atkins
#34 - Thurlow
#43 - McGenniss

BORINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

How I would of been excited with.

#9 - Grundy / Menzel / Plowman
#32 - Garlett /Towers / Membrey /Kennedy
#34 - "" "" "" ""
#43 - SPENCER WHITE

Fair chance none of those players are available bar Towers for those first 3 picks and he's pretty ordinary. Maybe Garlett but I can see why we'd baulk. Garlett and Dusty out on the town together lol. I'm sold on Vlastuin over Grundy. He's the perfect fit.

Spencer White isn't going to be the next Buddy that the article said. He doesn't have a tank nor does he have Buddy's speed, which straight away ruins the comparison and he's a dick as wellto cap it off. Imagine Buddy without his elite endurance and only decent speed rather than that burst away pace he has. You'd have a pretty good VFL player.

 

[Lukey D]

In my own personal opinion, out of everyone who could possibly and realistically slide to pick 9, I think our BEST outcome was if Ollie Wines slid.

My favourite player out of the draft but haven't even thought about him as I presume who will go top 5.

If anyone was to slide (i.e Grundy, O'Rourke etc), I'd be hoping more than anyone that it is Wines.

Does anyone share this sentiment?

 

[Toadvine]

It's nice, but I can't see how you assess Moneyball if you don't know what he'll cost

I think it's more based purely on their combine performance, Which I think highlights why the phrase moneyball shouldn't be used when talking about this, I'm not sure why shifter insists on it.

Under the new system, the total of 120 points is divided so that 60 are allocated to skills, 40 are allocated to a player's athleticism and 20 are allocated to mental skills.

"We spent a lot of time modelling the best way to work out a player's overall score," Sheehan said.

"Jason McCartney and Brady Rawlings did a lot of the work. Brady's next goal is to work in recruitment and player development, so he was the ideal resource for us.

"He looked at drafts from the previous five years to see how various scoring systems worked out.

"Eventually we came up with this 120 model and felt it would give us the bottom line we're after.

"It makes all the information we gather at the draft combine and from their club coaches relevant."

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=105497

 

[Slattery_20]

The term "moneyball" (particularly in an AFL context) has distilled to essentially mean "we done recruited good and stuff" over the years.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Pick 9=[insert name].Thats how it feels this year.

 

[Waltz17]

Anyone else think Jesse Lonergan is a dead ringer for Mark Wahlberg?

I was just saying that to my brother!! haha. I want him at Richmond simply for that reason... back to catching up on this thread.

 

[Slattery_20]

Pick 9=[insert name].Thats how it feels this year.

Yeah, but in reality, pick 9 in this year's pool >>> pick 15? in last year's pool. Even probably comparable to pick 6 in 2010.

 

[tigs2010]

Yeah, but in reality, pick 9 in this year's pool >>> pick 15? in last year's pool. Even probably comparable to pick 6 in 2010.

The excitement is kinda gone because we know what we are getting I guess.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Yeah, but in reality, pick 9 in this year's pool >>> pick 15? in last year's pool. Even probably comparable to pick 6 in 2010.

Well thats why we should take Grundy if available at 9.Best "tall" in the draft compared to a mid who while might be good,you could almost pick up the same at our rnd 2 selections.