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Would be keen as musto, but I think the mini draft will have a lot to say about it. GWS will get another pick in the top 6 or so and nab Grundy.
 
Martin_Riewoldt said:
Would anyone be upset if we landed Grundy? If he somehow managed to land to us I would be absolutely ecstatic, much more than if we landed Garlett, Wines, O'Rourke, or even Macrae. I was just thinking about it.
I have it under pretty good authority that Melbourne are going for the best two midfielders, let's assume O'Rourke and Macrae. Someone here said before that WBD are pretty keen on Wines and I could also see them going for someone like Plowman as they have no good genuine KPD's other than Lake and Morris who are both 30 and are injury prone. Then Port go for Mayes, who is a SA boy, and even so, he would fit Port pretty well. Brisbane got Longer last year so I highly doubt that they'd look at getting another ruckman. So boom, Grundy.

Just to reiterate again, the top 10.
Whitfield
Toumpas
O'Rourke
Macrae
Wines
Plowman
Mayes
Shaw
Grundy
Daniher

Grundy is a ready to go footballer, he is pretty physically mature. He can play up forward too, which would solve an immediate problem. Vickery can become a permanent CHF and we can give Grundy the same role that Vickery had this and last year. This works out in a few ways, the first being that if any of Maric or Vickery go down, we will have a ready-made replacement, not a Browne or Graham type. Secondly, this could turn out like a Cox-Naitanui combo with him and Maric. I mean, Grundy's tapwork is probably better than Naitanui's. Nic is a better athlete but not a better footballer. WCE have shown that if Cox and Naitanui are on fire, they are far more important than any other players. Thirdly, it solves our ruck-stocks problem. We'd have 3 genuine ruckmen/forward who are all excellent players.

Grundy for all we know, could be taken by GWS at 1, and is unlikely to come to us if GWS get any early picks from the MD. According to his coach, he has excellent work-ethic and is up in that Nic Naitanui/Matthew Kreuzer category for young ruckmen coming through the draft. Excellent talent, excellent player.

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Are strongly opposed to using early picks on ruckman , they are so risky and their junior form is no way near as good a indicator as it is for others . Pick ruckmen up a 22-23 not as 18year olds , when you are a top 6 side .
 
Dont Agree RP !!

If a player like Grundy falls to our pick - We take him
Already been mentioned alot of times by most on the pd boards that grundy is a better ruckman tha nicnat/kruezer
Grundy can also play very well and both with vickery/maric can form a very very strong ruck combination.

We can get another 3 mids with later picks as this draft looks like it runs to 50 easily,There will be alot of midfield gems to be collected even in the rookie draft but players like grundy dont come around to your door often.
 

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We would be silly not too take Grundy, it is still a need and is already somewhat developed and ready to go, will definately be a player from what ive seen, im sure melbourne are loving their decision not too take natanui
 
bananatigz said:
We would be silly not too take Grundy, it is still a need and is already somewhat developed and ready to go, will definately be a player from what ive seen, im sure melbourne are loving their decision not too take natanui
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Or Plowman if he slides.

A backline of:

Morris Chaplin Batchelor

Rance Grimes Plowman

Bookmark that as a premiership backline:thumbsu:
Leaves us a couple more years to decide what we'll do with Griffiths/Astbury/Elton

And we could still pick up a couple of quality midfielders with our 2nd picks
 
THE_GUN said:
Dont Agree RP !!

If a player like Grundy falls to our pick - We take him
Already been mentioned alot of times by most on the pd boards that grundy is a better ruckman tha nicnat/kruezer
Grundy can also play very well and both with vickery/maric can form a very very strong ruck combination.

We can get another 3 mids with later picks as this draft looks like it runs to 50 easily,There will be alot of midfield gems to be collected even in the rookie draft but players like grundy dont come around to your door often.
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Grundy joins us and he will not get a game for at least 3 years . We need to get midfield depth ASAP , Collingwood, Geelong , Sydney and Adelaide have all proven that this is alot of opportunities to pick up top end ruckmen .
I would be really pissed if we passed on a good mid which is likely to be around at 9 for Grundy or any other ruckman .
 
"Roar Passion" said:
Are strongly opposed to using early picks on ruckman , they are so risky and their junior form is no way near as good a indicator as it is for others . Pick ruckmen up a 22-23 not as 18year olds , when you are a top 6 side .
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It hasn't harmed WCE with Naitanui. AA ruckman at only 22. Grundy has been rated higher than him. He becomes another midfielder when the ball hits ground.
 
Martin_Riewoldt said:
It hasn't harmed WCE with Naitanui. AA ruckman at only 22. Grundy has been rated higher than him. He becomes another midfielder when the ball hits ground.
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Where would Grundy got into our side within the next 3 years ?
Nic Nat being all Australian is absolute bullshit , he wasn't even close to being the best ruckman .
 
"Roar Passion" said:
Where would Grundy got into our side within the next 3 years ?
Nic Nat being all Australian is absolute bullshit , he wasn't even close to being the best ruckman .
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If you fully read my previous post, Grundy is ready-made player. He can play as that ruckman-forward that Vickery has been playing, and Vickery can be that permanent CHF that we don't have. With this approach we can ease him into the ruck position so when he does take the no.1 mantle, he won't look out of place. He can take a mark and kick a goal. Trust me, having Riewoldt and 2, mobile 200cm+ forwards would be deadly for opposition.
 

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Martin_Riewoldt said:
If you fully read my previous post, Grundy is ready-made player. He can play as that ruckman-forward that Vickery has been playing, and Vickery can be that permanent CHF that we don't have. With this approach we can ease him into the ruck position so when he does take the no.1 mantle, he won't look out of place. He can take a mark and kick a goal. Trust me, having Riewoldt and 2, mobile 200cm+ forwards would be deadly for opposition.
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Disagree, think he is in no way ready made, he is a 200cm kid who has dominated at junior level often playing against kids with inferior size and development .
Furthermore being a SA there is always a greater chance of them returning home, which although a very small factor , it is a factor .
It really is probably not worth discussing , because after gaining so many talented mids and being so far away from challenging I think GWS will take him and will play him sparingly .
 
Grundy will go top 3 so this is all irrelevant. Best Ruckman to come through the draft since Nic Nat
 
Martin_Riewoldt said:
Would anyone be upset if we landed Grundy? If he somehow managed to land to us I would be absolutely ecstatic, much more than if we landed Garlett, Wines, O'Rourke, or even Macrae. I was just thinking about it.
I have it under pretty good authority that Melbourne are going for the best two midfielders, let's assume O'Rourke and Macrae. Someone here said before that WBD are pretty keen on Wines and I could also see them going for someone like Plowman as they have no good genuine KPD's other than Lake and Morris who are both 30 and are injury prone. Then Port go for Mayes, who is a SA boy, and even so, he would fit Port pretty well. Brisbane got Longer last year so I highly doubt that they'd look at getting another ruckman. So boom, Grundy.

Just to reiterate again, the top 10.
Whitfield
Toumpas
O'Rourke
Macrae
Wines
Plowman
Mayes
Shaw
Grundy
Daniher

Grundy is a ready to go footballer, he is pretty physically mature. He can play up forward too, which would solve an immediate problem. Vickery can become a permanent CHF and we can give Grundy the same role that Vickery had this and last year. This works out in a few ways, the first being that if any of Maric or Vickery go down, we will have a ready-made replacement, not a Browne or Graham type. Secondly, this could turn out like a Cox-Naitanui combo with him and Maric. I mean, Grundy's tapwork is probably better than Naitanui's. Nic is a better athlete but not a better footballer. WCE have shown that if Cox and Naitanui are on fire, they are far more important than any other players. Thirdly, it solves our ruck-stocks problem. We'd have 3 genuine ruckmen/forward who are all excellent players.

Grundy for all we know, could be taken by GWS at 1, and is unlikely to come to us if GWS get any early picks from the MD. According to his coach, he has excellent work-ethic and is up in that Nic Naitanui/Matthew Kreuzer category for young ruckmen coming through the draft. Excellent talent, excellent player.

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As good as that sounds, GWS are likley to have the first 3 picks and will most likely take the 2 best midfielders and Grundy as well.
 
Slightly off topic, but am I alone in being disgusted at the ridiculous amount of concessions GWS have been given.
Freaking joke
 
TheColeTrain said:
Slightly off topic, but am I alone in being disgusted at the ridiculous amount of concessions GWS have been given.
Freaking joke
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Thankfully for us we haven't been hit by it.
 
My god they will be a scary side you would think so, that will be what hits us though, hopefully a lot of there really good players get sqeezed out.
 

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TheColeTrain said:
Slightly off topic, but am I alone in being disgusted at the ridiculous amount of concessions GWS have been given.
Freaking joke
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It's hard to comprehend that all the other clubs agreed to these concessions.
RT73 said:
Thankfully for us we haven't been hit by it.
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You could argue that trying to rebuild through these concession have hit us. I wonder who we would have got at 15 and 26 last year and 6 and 30 in 2010? But thankfully none of our big name players have been lured.
 
I think it is safe to assume that at some point the combination of the go home factor and the salary cap will mean they can't pay all their first round picks what they're worth on the open market and *should* mean they'll lose some at some point.
 
Absolute no brainer for me !

Grundy is ready to go as a 2nd ruck next year (20%) Ruck time & 80% Foward
This draft runs deep and we could still get 2 very very good mids with 29/31 and a small / medium fwd with 50
Maric will be 27 in jan and possibly 3-4 years with 0 backup atm, Vickery is a Fwd/Ruck and Grundy is a Ruck/Fwd

If he is there - We take him, No questions asked
 
TheColeTrain said:
Slightly off topic, but am I alone in being disgusted at the ridiculous amount of concessions GWS have been given.
Freaking joke
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the biggest issue i think they forgot was it was going to take a few years to come good so its the additional years of top draft picks that are garbage.
 
theflea said:
the biggest issue i think they forgot was it was going to take a few years to come good so its the additional years of top draft picks that are garbage.
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The fact they were allowed to trade the mini draft picks for more picks is the worst thing. They should have been forced to use them on players. This team has shown time and time again that they will use every underhanded appraoch to get what they want and i loath them for it, almost as bad as Essendon.

GC while getting similar concessions have not abused the system in a similar fashion.
 
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