2012 draft

[Calcium Man]

Mitchell and Lee must both be worth a look. Priddis was supposed to be a horrible kick. So was Jobe Watson. There aren't too many blokes out there running 16.2 Beep Tests, gathering 25+ per game and kicking a couple of goals each week. Not too many have ever polled 58 votes in a Sandover. He's also won every media award this year...

I hope they're on our radar. Mitchell would look brilliant lining up in the middle next to the Mullet.

Reads like he can't kick, outside receiver who is only 174cm.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/kane-mitchell.973261/#post-25725676

 

[Brown Bottle]

Reads like he can't kick, outside receiver who is only 174cm.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/kane-mitchell.973261/#post-25725676

I'd love to know how many of the blokes who post this stuff have ever really watched these guys play. I remember being told that Michael Mitchell was too small for league footy and his kicking was rubbish...

 

[cairo tiger]

They are all 6 footers. Hardly what I'd call short people. Secondly they all fill a need, Vlastuin is an inside/outside midfielder, Graham is a utility who can play a variety of roles and Atkins is a classy forward who can also have an impact in the midfield.

look ok with 2 mids- but lets get some size as well- need some power size- this is the most crucial draft to date-

 

[TJTIGER]

179cm ben cousins says hi

And D. Kerr 178 cm sitting next to him ....

 

[TJTIGER]

look ok with 2 mids- but lets get some size as well- need some power size- this is the most crucial draft to date-

Hey Cairo, ur right but I think they all are developing, strengthening, maintaining etc we're in one phase or another important one. But really they're all crucial

 

[Tigerbob]

Vlastuin-Northern Knights
Graham-Gippsland Power
Atkins-Calder Cannons

Is that too much of a muchness? Same types? Where is the difference impact on our list?

All three good players that we would be happy to have on our list, particularly the top two, jury still out for me on Atkins.

I'd like some different types that would add something different to our list. To me a

9. Garlett
29. Graham
31. Broomhead

Draft would add more to our list. All three versatile, Garlett the outside skill and pace, Graham the inside on baller and Broomhead the versatile midfielder. To me that would be a perfect draft.

 

[FootyIcon4]

look ok with 2 mids- but lets get some size as well- need some power size- this is the most crucial draft to date-

Would much prefer 3 mids in ND and picking up Kyle Hartigan as a rookie

 

[biggaz_]

look ok with 2 mids- but lets get some size as well- need some power size- this is the most crucial draft to date-

Have a look at Justin Van Unen, trained wtih richmond a few years ago
kicked 120 goals for Rye this year. 60 goals ahead of the next player. Named in top 10 all australian country footy players.

hes had interest from other clubs too. probably one of the strongest bodies ive seen for a 22 year old

 

[bananatigz]

Is that too much of a muchness? Same types? Where is the difference impact on our list?

All three good players that we would be happy to have on our list, particularly the top two, jury still out for me on Atkins.

I'd like some different types that would add something different to our list. To me a

9. Garlett
29. Graham
31. Broomhead

Draft would add more to our list. All three versatile, Garlett the outside skill and pace, Graham the inside on baller and Broomhead the versatile midfielder. To me that would be a perfect draft.

If we could do this and get a mature aged genuine inside mid later on this would be perfect i agree, however i don't think it's in line with what we have done recruiting wise over the last few years, vlastuin seems to be just the player we are after

 

[tigs2010]

Is that too much of a muchness? Same types? Where is the difference impact on our list?

All three good players that we would be happy to have on our list, particularly the top two, jury still out for me on Atkins.

I'd like some different types that would add something different to our list. To me a

9. Garlett
29. Graham
31. Broomhead

Draft would add more to our list. All three versatile, Garlett the outside skill and pace, Graham the inside on baller and Broomhead the versatile midfielder. To me that would be a perfect draft.

Yay another Broomhead fan. Not sure he will last. But I'm crossing my fingers. Took me awhile to get on board but he's a gun. A real Beams/Sidebottom type. If he's gone I wouldn't be against us looking at Boston if he hasn't been signed. If GC aren't going to sign him for themselves I'd look at offering pick 31 for Boston and 44 so they get a free upgrade and we gain a free pick that they won't use. Then GC could package together 31 and 25 for a top 20 pick and so on. After last years deal we did with each other I could see us looking at this again.

You've sold me on Garlett but I don't think we will take him unfortunately. I'm holding out hope that Simpson's inconsistency may see him last till pick 29 otherwise look at a Warrell/Sumner type. Warrell has really lifted his game on the big finals stage the last 2 years. Saves his best for the Grand Final usually. (Our last 30 years suggest this ability could go to waste ) But yer he's another I like. Towers is another I could see us looking at in the 2nd round onwards that has that breakaway speed.

 

[_RT_]

Is that too much of a muchness? Same types? Where is the difference impact on our list?

All three good players that we would be happy to have on our list, particularly the top two, jury still out for me on Atkins.

I'd like some different types that would add something different to our list. To me a

9. Garlett
29. Graham
31. Broomhead

Draft would add more to our list. All three versatile, Garlett the outside skill and pace, Graham the inside on baller and Broomhead the versatile midfielder. To me that would be a perfect draft.

The main reason I went for these guys is the same thing is said about each one i.e. can win their own footy, have great decision making, elite skills, great tackling technique and both Atkins and Graham have above average pace. Adding these guys to our midfield/flankers group will free up the likes of Deledio Foley & Edwards to get out into space and use their line breaking ability a bit more so I don't see the urgent need to go out and recruit a Garlett type at this stage.

 

[Greggy]

Re watched some of the national championships, Garlett stood out as a clear future star! If the club does its due diligence and discovers he's of good character and is dedicated, I think we should jump on him, class and pace. Conca and Ellis will take the inside roles of tuck and foley eventually any way.

 

[MR]

Re watched some of the national championships, Garlett stood out as a clear future star! If the club does its due diligence and discovers he's of good character and is dedicated, I think we should jump on him, class and pace. Conca and Ellis will take the inside roles of tuck and foley eventually any way.

Ellis is not an inside midfielder. The club see him purely outside. Foley is 26, isn't going anywhere for a long time.

 

[Rustof]

Re watched some of the national championships, Garlett stood out as a clear future star! If the club does its due diligence and discovers he's of good character and is dedicated, I think we should jump on him, class and pace. Conca and Ellis will take the inside roles of tuck and foley eventually any way.

Are those championship games still online to watch?

 

[Tigerbob]

Yay another Broomhead fan. Not sure he will last. But I'm crossing my fingers. Took me awhile to get on board but he's a gun. A real Beams/Sidebottom type. If he's gone I wouldn't be against us looking at Boston if he hasn't been signed. If GC aren't going to sign him for themselves I'd look at offering pick 31 for Boston and 44 so they get a free upgrade and we gain a free pick that they won't use. Then GC could package together 31 and 25 for a top 20 pick and so on. After last years deal we did with each other I could see us looking at this again.

You've sold me on Garlett but I don't think we will take him unfortunately. I'm holding out hope that Simpson's inconsistency may see him last till pick 29 otherwise look at a Warrell/Sumner type. Warrell has really lifted his game on the big finals stage the last 2 years. Saves his best for the Grand Final usually. (Our last 30 years suggest this ability could go to waste ) But yer he's another I like. Towers is another I could see us looking at in the 2nd round onwards that has that breakaway speed.

I also don't think we will draft Garlett because of our policy, but whatever. We will get a good player at Pick 9. Just maybe not the absolute best, but that doesn't matter to us, as long as we get good at everything we want. I understand the ideal behind it and will support each player picked, but not agree with ignoring the best available. Sydney who I have been closely associated with would use a particular criteria when trading, but come draft time, they back their system to develop the best talent available. We seem to doubt our development it would seem.

I am a massive fan of Broomhead. As you said, he is just that type of midfielder that can develop into a really dangerous player. I like your selection of Boston. I rate him, stated it before. I also would not be against trading Pick 31 for Jacobs of Port Adeaide. Plenty of options.

The main reason I went for these guys is the same thing is said about each one i.e. can win their own footy, have great decision making, elite skills, great tackling technique and both Atkins and Graham have above average pace. Adding these guys to our midfield/flankers group will free up the likes of Deledio Foley & Edwards to get out into space and use their line breaking ability a bit more so I don't see the urgent need to go out and recruit a Garlett type at this stage.

As I said all three are very good players who will add to our list, good reasoning behind them. Would not be the worst draft that. In terms of outside, I do not see Edwards as that at all, more opportunistic forward now, Foley who knows, have major doubts about him every coming back and if so, ever coming back as good as he was. That injury is the worst you can do. So we have Deledio. Martin_Riewoldt has stated Ellis to be outside, maybe so and I agree his footskills would be a blessing, but pace? We are a very one paced side. Deledio is our only outside runner with pace. List balance is important in winning flags, you need as many weapons as possible to win the big dance. We lack that serious pace to trouble some sides.

This is going to be an interesting draft, no doubt. As I said, will support the club and the players chosen, just have a different philosophy and that comes from past experiences etc. You can't argue with many of our draft picks lately, I hope it all continues. To me and a few colleagues, what we have seen is a player we have been strongly linked (may not happen this whole argument is hypothetical) to rate at the 15 or so spot, when a player we have rated at Number 4 still on the board. To me it's madness but again, I stress, I understand the reasoning. Garlett will take a lot of development and TLC, I think with Mark Williams on board we can take that risk. He was amazing for the Burgoyne boys and they had more serious issues than Garlett.

 

[MR]

As I said all three are very good players who will add to our list, good reasoning behind them. Would not be the worst draft that. In terms of outside, I do not see Edwards as that at all, more opportunistic forward now, Foley who knows, have major doubts about him every coming back and if so, ever coming back as good as he was. That injury is the worst you can do. So we have Deledio. Martin_Riewoldt has stated Ellis to be outside, maybe so and I agree his footskills would be a blessing, but pace? We are a very one paced side. Deledio is our only outside runner with pace. List balance is important in winning flags, you need as many weapons as possible to win the big dance. We lack that serious pace to trouble some sides.

There's simple reasoning towards that. We are a high-possession football team. We like to kick it around a lot and in the draft, we target the ones whose kicking is in the elite category. Look at our recent picks, Ellis, Bathelor, Conca, Martin, Griffiths were all rated as prolific kickers. Whilst pace is important and we will need a pacey outside type, it is definitely not a primary concern. If we get a player like Vlastuin, who I extremely rate, it would fix several problems. One, he will be an immediate replacement to Tuck when he retires. Two, he will likely be placed on a back-flank, allowing Newman/Ellis to go into the midfield, providing more outside run. Three, provides more elite kicking and leadership to the side.

Look at Hawthorn, they don't have that Jetta type. You could say Rioli, but his pace is utilized as a small forward and when he does go into the midfield, his work is generally in the inside. We've emulated their game-plan, and they're going in as favorites to this years GF. Similarly, Geelong in 2007, they had Wojcinski who was played on the back-flank, but we have that in Morris currently. They didn't have an elite outside runner. Furthermore, look at Collingwood and St Kilda's teams in 2010. The closest player to Garlett in those games you could say is Dale Thomas, but we already have a better version in Deledio.

Our whole game-plan is centered around competing, kicking skills and endurance. Not flashy x-factor players. As I have stated numerous times, a player like Garlett is a luxury, we still have a long way to go and this draft is a key to fixing some huge problems.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

I'm coming around to Vlastuin and am beginning to think he may be gone by our pick. We will still get a decent pick next year hopefully around 15-16! That range tends to be the more outside mids, and the KP defenders. Solid good to go midfielders will see us heading up the ladder next year.

On the topic of Grundy, in the unlikely event he falls to 9, you ask for the extra minute to make absoutely sure you read out his number correctly. We are still rebuilding and it would be really short term and selfish of the current panel to trade off our future for short term success, ala Wallace.

 

[MR]

I'm coming around to Vlastuin and am beginning to think he may be gone by our pick. We will still get a decent pick next year hopefully around 15-16! That range tends to be the more outside mids, and the KP defenders. Solid good to go midfielders will see us heading up the ladder next year.

On the topic of Grundy, in the unlikely event he falls to 9, you ask for the extra minute to make absoutely sure you read out his number correctly. We are still rebuilding and it would be really short term and selfish of the current panel to trade off our future for short term success, ala Wallace.

Agree with this completely! Vlastuin will surprise many, the first time I watched him, I thought to myself 'dead set top 5 pick.'
Generally, the players who tend to be taken earlier then expected are the ones who played right through the finals. Vice Versa with the ones who don't play finals. This is because recruiters have earlier memory of these players and leave the lasting impression on them. Northern Knights not making finals and him having his ankle injury could really work in our favour.

Completely agree with Grundy too.

 

[Tigerbob]

There's simple reasoning towards that. We are a high-possession football team. We like to kick it around a lot and in the draft, we target the ones whose kicking is in the elite category. Look at our recent picks, Ellis, Bathelor, Conca, Martin, Griffiths were all rated as prolific kickers. Whilst pace is important and we will need a pacey outside type, it is definitely not a primary concern. If we get a player like Vlastuin, who I extremely rate, it would fix several problems. One, he will be an immediate replacement to Tuck when he retires. Two, he will likely be placed on a back-flank, allowing Newman/Ellis to go into the midfield, providing more outside run. Three, provides more elite kicking and leadership to the side.

Look at Hawthorn, they don't have that Jetta type. You could say Rioli, but his pace is utilized as a small forward and when he does go into the midfield, his work is generally in the inside. We've emulated their game-plan, and they're going in as favorites to this years GF. Similarly, Geelong in 2007, they had Wojcinski who was played on the back-flank, but we have that in Morris currently. They didn't have an elite outside runner. Furthermore, look at Collingwood and St Kilda's teams in 2010. The closest player to Garlett in those games you could say is Dale Thomas, but we already have a better version in Deledio.

Our whole game-plan is centered around competing, kicking skills and endurance. Not flashy x-factor players. As I have stated numerous times, a player like Garlett is a luxury, we still have a long way to go and this draft is a key to fixing some huge problems.

Good post!

I disagree with some if it, but well explained.

To say Garlett is pure x factor is wrong. He can do some inside work, in fact again I point to the Western Australia vs Vic Metro game and in the third quarter he, Simpson and Martin got them back into the game, and he was placed inside the centre circle. Won some clearances around the stoppages and what impressed me most was his ability to spread from the contest and then get the ball, then gut run to provide another link up.

He can also utilise his pace and skills and freakish ability like Rioli for Hawthorn. Evidence of this too is his goal against South Australia in the Championship. So like Hawthorn, we need another match winner. Momentum shifter. His performance in the final was so Rioli like. His impact was very good around the ball, contesting, tackling and pressure acts. He then finished the good work with some of the best goals you see in he finals from a young kid playing against men.

To me, he is a combo from Jetta and Rioli. Takes a little from each. I also love the fact that he is a left footer. Hawthorn went out to get an Isaac Smith, he could easily be that type also. Pace. Hawthorn have it too.

In saying all that, I won't begrudge us taking Vlastuin. I see what you see. We also need inside ball winners too. So as I have said, we will get a good one at Pick 9. I just prefer Garlett. That's basically all the discussion is.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

I'm coming around to Vlastuin and am beginning to think he may be gone by our pick. We will still get a decent pick next year hopefully around 15-16! That range tends to be the more outside mids, and the KP defenders. Solid good to go midfielders will see us heading up the ladder next year.

On the topic of Grundy, in the unlikely event he falls to 9, you ask for the extra minute to make absoutely sure you read out his number correctly. We are still rebuilding and it would be really short term and selfish of the current panel to trade off our future for short term success, ala Wallace.

If Grundy is available we must take him. GWS would be stupid not to take him if Giles leaves.

 

[MR]

Good post!

I disagree with some if it, but well explained.

To say Garlett is pure x factor is wrong. He can do some inside work, in fact again I point to the Western Australia vs Vic Metro game and in the third quarter he, Simpson and Martin got them back into the game, and he was placed inside the centre circle. Won some clearances around the stoppages and what impressed me most was his ability to spread from the contest and then get the ball, then gut run to provide another link up.

He can also utilise his pace and skills and freakish ability like Rioli for Hawthorn. Evidence of this too is his goal against South Australia in the Championship. So like Hawthorn, we need another match winner. Momentum shifter. His performance in the final was so Rioli like. His impact was very good around the ball, contesting, tackling and pressure acts. He then finished the good work with some of the best goals you see in he finals from a young kid playing against men.

To me, he is a combo from Jetta and Rioli. Takes a little from each. I also love the fact that he is a left footer. Hawthorn went out to get an Isaac Smith, he could easily be that type also. Pace. Hawthorn have it too.

In saying all that, I won't begrudge us taking Vlastuin. I see what you see. We also need inside ball winners too. So as I have said, we will get a good one at Pick 9. I just prefer Garlett. That's basically all the discussion is.

I'm not going straight out and saying that Garlett can't develop an inside game, because he does have the biggest fundamental covered where he does not shirk contests. However, he has surely not shown his inside capabilities yet. Going to that game you highlighted, WA v VM, he had 3 contested possessions, 1 clearance and 0 tackles for the whole game. He actually averaged 1.4 tackles for the whole championships. He had 6 one percenters from rounds 2-5 of championships (Can't find round 1 stats.) Vlastuin had 7 in one game against VC.

Again, I completely acknowledge his pace and freakish ability. I think he will be an absolute beauty. We do need a player like him but we have much greater concerns currently. I have a few on-field issues with Garlett, the off-field stuff doesn't concern me, we desperately need grunt. If Tuck and Foley are both out of the side we will be in huge trouble.

 

[Tigerbob]

I'm not going straight out and saying that Garlett can't develop an inside game, because he does have the biggest fundamental covered where he does not shirk contests. However, he has surely not shown his inside capabilities yet. Going to that game you highlighted, WA v VM, he had 3 contested possessions, 1 clearance and 0 tackles for the whole game. He actually averaged 1.4 tackles for the whole championships. He had 6 one percenters from rounds 2-5 of championships (Can't find round 1 stats.) Vlastuin had 7 in one game against VC.

Again, I completely acknowledge his pace and freakish ability. I think he will be an absolute beauty. We do need a player like him but we have much greater concerns currently. I have a few on-field issues with Garlett, the off-field stuff doesn't concern me, we desperately need grunt. If Tuck and Foley are both out of the side we will be in huge trouble.

All fair enough. Those 3 contested possessions and clearance would have come from the third quarter where he went in the middle. I would of assumed more watching the game, but if they are the stats they are the stats. There can be no doubt his move to the middle changed the game along with Martin and to a lesser extent Simpson. That's what I was watching. Also his influence at Kardinia Park in the game against Country where he was clearly WA's best on ground I would have assumed more in that game alone.

Yep, we would be screwed with no Tuck or Foley, but we can recruit those types anywhere is my thinking, those two were Pick 73 off memory and Rookie draft hey? Match winners are generally taken early.

Anyway, it's a good discussion point and would be exactly the debates raging in the recruiting department. I am confident in our guys. Conca, Ellis and Vlastuin as the first round draft picks is very solid, safe selections that all will work out and not be busts.

I enjoy the difference of opinion, it always opens the mind to new thinking.

 

[MR]

All fair enough. Those 3 contested possessions and clearance would have come from the third quarter where he went in the middle. I would of assumed more watching the game, but if they are the stats they are the stats. There can be no doubt his move to the middle changed the game along with Martin and to a lesser extent Simpson. That's what I was watching. Also his influence at Kardinia Park in the game against Country where he was clearly WA's best on ground I would have assumed more in that game alone.

Yep, we would be screwed with no Tuck or Foley, but we can recruit those types anywhere is my thinking, those two were Pick 73 off memory and Rookie draft hey? Match winners are generally taken early.

Anyway, it's a good discussion point and would be exactly the debates raging in the recruiting department. I am confident in our guys. Conca, Ellis and Vlastuin as the first round draft picks is very solid, safe selections that all will work out and not be busts.

I enjoy the difference of opinion, it always opens the mind to new thinking.

Hmm, you talk about match-winners but generally it's the inside midfielders that win the games. Regardless of where Tuck and Foley were picked, look at previous drafts. Tyson + Greene at 3, 11, Conca + Caddy at 6,7, the list goes on, I'm not going to bore you with them, but inside midfielders are taken early too and rightly so. Yeah, you get lucky with a few, but it's the same with outside midfielders too.

 

[Calcium Man]

All fair enough. Those 3 contested possessions and clearance would have come from the third quarter where he went in the middle. I would of assumed more watching the game, but if they are the stats they are the stats. There can be no doubt his move to the middle changed the game along with Martin and to a lesser extent Simpson. That's what I was watching. Also his influence at Kardinia Park in the game against Country where he was clearly WA's best on ground I would have assumed more in that game alone.

Yep, we would be screwed with no Tuck or Foley, but we can recruit those types anywhere is my thinking, those two were Pick 73 off memory and Rookie draft hey? Match winners are generally taken early.

Anyway, it's a good discussion point and would be exactly the debates raging in the recruiting department. I am confident in our guys. Conca, Ellis and Vlastuin as the first round draft picks is very solid, safe selections that all will work out and not be busts.

I enjoy the difference of opinion, it always opens the mind to new thinking.

I've said before that you've sold me on garlett, i have only seen a highlights package but he didnt look that quick. How fast is he?

I'm also pretty keen on Vlastuin, he might seem like the solid safe pick, but clean skills, hard at it and great leadership skills are still game changing players. Kennedy, Watson, Cotchin (tho has x factor) Pendlebury, Ziebell, Bartel, Selwood, Mundy, Lewis, Mitchell ect...

Developing strong leaders is the key to changing the culture within the club.

 

[MR]

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