2012 draft

[dorianyates]

For a midfielder to have the potential to be elite I would say they need the following - explosiveness, kicking skills, an ability to constantly rack up the possessions by reading the play, size. By explosiveness I would say can he run 20m faster than 3 seconds and does he have pretty good agility. Kicking both accuracy and penetration eg can he accurately kick over 50m. Size, not too skinny. Preferably has a bit of muscle or the potential to get bigger.

These guys tend to get picked up in the top 5 each year and include guys like Dusty, Cotch, Murphy, Scully, Deledio, Coniglio, Swallow etc. BTW it wouldn't surprise me if Hartlett from Port Adelaide and Morabito join this group also. Pick 9 is a midfielder just outside these capabilities. Would Garlett have all or most of these attributes? He is probably lacking a few. From the sounds of it Vlaustin lacks the explosiveness to be an elite talent also.

 

[Calcium Man]

God everytime I settle on a kid I come in here and you guys make me excited about getting a different player. I've been through Vlastuin, Garlett, O'Rourke, Macrae, Garner, Grundy and now back to vlastuin!

 

[Calcium Man]

For a midfielder to have the potential to be elite I would say they need the following - explosiveness, kicking skills, an ability to constantly rack up the possessions by reading the play, size. By explosiveness I would say can he run 20m faster than 3 seconds and does he have pretty good agility. Kicking both accuracy and penetration eg can he accurately kick over 50m. Size, not too skinny. Preferably has a bit of muscle or the potential to get bigger.

These guys tend to get picked up in the top 5 each year and include guys like Dusty, Cotch, Murphy, Scully, Deledio, Coniglio, Swallow etc. BTW it wouldn't surprise me if Hartlett from Port Adelaide and Morabito join this group also. Pick 9 is a midfielder just outside these capabilities. Would Garlett have all or most of these attributes? He is probably lacking a few. From the sounds of it Vlaustin lacks the explosiveness to be an elite talent also.

Scully is not Elite nor is he explosive. This years number 1 Whitfield has a 3 sec plus 20 metre and so did Joel Selwood. I doubt Mitchell, Watson, Black and Kennedy have sub 3 second times.

 

[Damo80]

Would you say Simon Black is elite? Lenny Hayes? Sam Mitchell? Joel Selwood? It's semantics really, what one person calls champion another calls elite. What one calls elite, another simply calls an excellent player. My point is that we'd be wrapt to get a player a good as any one of those I mentioned, but none has that elite burst speed mentioned as a prerequisite.

 

[theflea]

Yeah, I think he's a beauty. I was just passing on some mail that I heard recently.

what is he?

 

[MR]

For a midfielder to have the potential to be elite I would say they need the following - explosiveness, kicking skills, an ability to constantly rack up the possessions by reading the play, size. By explosiveness I would say can he run 20m faster than 3 seconds and does he have pretty good agility. Kicking both accuracy and penetration eg can he accurately kick over 50m. Size, not too skinny. Preferably has a bit of muscle or the potential to get bigger.

These guys tend to get picked up in the top 5 each year and include guys like Dusty, Cotch, Murphy, Scully, Deledio, Coniglio, Swallow etc. BTW it wouldn't surprise me if Hartlett from Port Adelaide and Morabito join this group also. Pick 9 is a midfielder just outside these capabilities. Would Garlett have all or most of these attributes? He is probably lacking a few. From the sounds of it Vlaustin lacks the explosiveness to be an elite talent also.

Pendlebury, Thompson, Watson, Swallow, Selwood, Hayes etc all aren't explosive. All are elite for their positions. Vlastuin has the capability of being an elite footballer.

 

[tigs2010]

I'm on board the Tigger train. Tigerbob how many people had Menzel on the whiteboard if you don't mind saying? Both his knee injuries have been impact injuries unlike his brother. Think he may still be worth the punt at 9. Depending on what is there. Hopefully Grundy is there and we all laugh at everyone else.

 

[axel2cotch2lids]

Stats NEVER tell the true story.

The interesting part of those stats though was Vlastuin was in the bests 8 times for 10 matches and Stringer was in the best 4 times for 9 matches.

Also, Stringer has a significantly high count for ineffective kicks. Vlastuin for me, I'd be disappointed if we took Stringer.

Well when you only get 20+ possessions in a season and dink the the ball around half-back things are a bit easier then actually making the play as a forward IMHO.

 

[Tigerbob]

I'm on board the Tigger train. Tigerbob how many people had Menzel on the whiteboard if you don't mind saying? Both his knee injuries have been impact injuries unlike his brother. Think he may still be worth the punt at 9. Depending on what is there. Hopefully Grundy is there and we all laugh at everyone else.

Everyone bar one. Me included. The more I hear and watch of this kid, the more I start to think he is everything the guys tell me about. I haven't watched him closely this season until lately. He may just be the most talented. I will confirm my belief later this week. Going through data and tapes. Definitely looks an A+ player though. Good kid too.

 

[UpTheGuts]

God everytime I settle on a kid I come in here and you guys make me excited about getting a different player. I've been through Vlastuin, Garlett, O'Rourke, Macrae, Garner, Grundy and now back to vlastuin!

Welcome to my world!
So true.
Really think our posters offer so much on these things. So appreciated

 

[UpTheGuts]

Bigfooty tigers board 2012 draft night?

I'm keen!

 

[Dustin Credible]

I wholeheartedly believe that with the right development, Vlastuin will be an elite player in AFL. I also believe that Richmond is capable of providing the correct development too. I have watched him very closely for the entire year and I assure you, he has very good skills, (Not Deledio standard, more Martin standard), the courage of a player like Morris, the work rate of Cotchin, clearance skill of Andrew Swallow, tackles like Tuck, and probably the athleticism of Newman. Even so, I don't believe he needs to be super athletic for his specific position. There is a reason that early this year he was tipped to go pick 2, and that some clubs have him top 5 in their rankings.

You also have to look at Richmond's three pillars of recruiting. They are: Do they compete? Can they kick? Are they leaders? Vlastuin is in the elite category of this year's pool in every single one of those aspects.

Sold....Going to be gutted if we don't get him now.

 

[Damo80]

All this talk about us being keen on Vlastuin (I for one am sold!), but whether he's a bit of a reach at 9... who else would be in a state of shock if he got snapped up at 7 or 8!

Not out of the question either... Was rated in the top 3 by some earlier in the year, and Chris25 had him going at 7 last time I checked!

 

[ize_]

I kinda feel like he's already ours. If another club ends up picking him I'll feel like they've taken something that rightfully belongs to us.

 

[captain blood 17]

This draft with one of the picks, I really hope we get that Jetta (Sydney), Sidebottom type of player. We are lacking that x factor outside player. This the year we need to find one.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

All this talk about us being keen on Vlastuin (I for one am sold!), but whether he's a bit of a reach at 9... who else would be in a state of shock if he got snapped up at 7 or 8!

Not out of the question either... Was rated in the top 3 by some earlier in the year, and Chris25 had him going at 7 last time I checked!

Exactly what Port Adelaide need. Strong Leader who can step in straight away. Not out of the realms of possibility

 

[MR]

Well when you only get 20+ possessions in a season and dink the the ball around half-back things are a bit easier then actually making the play as a forward IMHO.

Vlastuin played the entire year as an inside midfielder. The ONLY reason he is earmarked as a medium defender because due to a niggling ankle injury he was forced to play there. Even so, he still managed to be in the bests for the majority of the series.

 

[SumTingWong]

Yeah, I think he's a beauty. I was just passing on some mail that I heard recently.

Anything you can pass on to us regarding picks 32,34 and 43? I'm just as interested in these than our pick 9. Without naming names do you think we will pick up all midfielders and do you think that we will pick up players typically mentioned going around these picks in most mock drafts to date or a player seen to go alot later or not at all?

 

[tigs2010]

Everyone bar one. Me included. The more I hear and watch of this kid, the more I start to think he is everything the guys tell me about. I haven't watched him closely this season until lately. He may just be the most talented. I will confirm my belief later this week. Going through data and tapes. Definitely looks an A+ player though. Good kid too.

Thanks for that. IMO he's been pretty unlucky with his knees. Two unfortunate impact injuries that could have happened to anyone and having an older brother whose knees have gone twice.

All this talk about us being keen on Vlastuin (I for one am sold!), but whether he's a bit of a reach at 9... who else would be in a state of shock if he got snapped up at 7 or 8!

Not out of the question either... Was rated in the top 3 by some earlier in the year, and Chris25 had him going at 7 last time I checked!

Agree, he's a slight chance to be gone. As Wacky Tiger said he's exactly what Port need but I don't think they'll take him which is lucky.

This draft with one of the picks, I really hope we get that Jetta (Sydney), Sidebottom type of player. We are lacking that x factor outside player. This the year we need to find one.

Broomhead reminds me a lot of Sidebottom/Beams. Sumner could also give us x-factor on the outside though not really anything like the other two you mentioned. IMO he's a quicker/more skilful Troy Taylor. That rangy hff who can play through the middle who has a great leap and strong overhead. Has explosive speed and elite skills. I think it was TB who said he'd seen Sumner run the length of the field. Wouldn't that be a sigh to behold at AFL level.

Vlastuin played the entire year as an inside midfielder. The ONLY reason he is earmarked as a medium defender because due to a niggling ankle injury he was forced to play there. Even so, he still managed to be in the bests for the majority of the series.

Not sure how many times this is going to have to be said but I'll leave it to you. No need to mention Stringer is an ordinary kick and can't kick on his opposite foot ala Nahas because it hurts too much.

 

[tigs2010]

Anything you can pass on to us regarding picks 32,34 and 43? I'm just as interested in these than our pick 9. Without naming names do you think we will pick up all midfielders and do you think that we will pick up players typically mentioned going around these picks in most mock drafts to date or a player seen to go alot later or not at all?

At a guess we'd take mainly mids/smalls unless a tall really slides. I'm going to guess that there will be 1 smoky in there seems we have 3 picks.

 

[MR]

Anything you can pass on to us regarding picks 32,34 and 43? I'm just as interested in these than our pick 9. Without naming names do you think we will pick up all midfielders and do you think that we will pick up players typically mentioned going around these picks in most mock drafts to date or a player seen to go alot later or not at all?

A lot depends on who we take with earlier picks and also who is available.

For example, we didn't expect Elton to be available at 26 last year, but we took him because he was too good to pass on. However, we'll take midfielders or players who could have spurts in the middle. I'm not told too much so take it however way you like. I expect us to take another tall though. Riewoldt Vickery Elton are our only pure tall forwards. We need more.

 

[MR]

All this talk about us being keen on Vlastuin (I for one am sold!), but whether he's a bit of a reach at 9... who else would be in a state of shock if he got snapped up at 7 or 8!

Not out of the question either... Was rated in the top 3 by some earlier in the year, and Chris25 had him going at 7 last time I checked!

As I said before, I do know of some clubs who still have him top 5 in their rankings.

 

[fred swift]

Viney is the better midfield prospect. Vlastuin will be better in the opening few years because he will be playing on a back flank, but Viney will ultimately be the better player. Well at least if he doesn't end up at the Demons.

then he will be playing at coburg as we have 10 hbf on the
list need pure mids . with second round like the look of rory atkins watch the tape and though i was watching nathan brown what do u think . ps cup tip get on red cadeaux people.

 

[MR]

then he will be playing at coburg as we have 10 hbf on the list need pure mids . with second round like the look of rory atkins watch the tape and though i was watching nathan brown what do u think . ps cup tip get on red cadeaux people.

Vlastuin is a pure mid, but I doubt Richmond will throw him into the deep-end immediately. Look at what we did with Ellis and Conca, they began their careers at the Tigers on a back-flank. I assure you Conca will be a FT mid next year, and Ellis will have some small bursts in the middle like Conca had this year. What it means now, is that Newman/Houli/Ellis/Morris can now push into the middle next year and they would have a much bigger impact than Vlastuin would on his first year. We'd simply be easing him into the inside-midfield position, so when Tuck retires, it will almost seem like we've lost nothing.

I don't mind Atkins as a player, but there would be a few other inside midfielders who I would take before at our second round, like Graham, Pongracic and Hrovat.

 

[Stylo]

Really hope Graham is available at 32, doubt it, but he would be a fantastic 2nd round pick IMO. Hrovat will go to Collingwood I reckon