2012 draft

[Tigerbob]

In 2011 Ben Kennedy played for SA at the champs as an underager and was mini-draft eligible so he tested at the national combine.

I really can't see how Vlastuin would slide beyond the first round. Garlett and Kennedy should be right around our mark I think but I wouldn't be suprised if someone like the Dees or Dogs jump at Garlett given their multiple picks in the first round prior to ours.

Gonna ask you one more mate.

Who would you take right now at our first pick (realistically)?

 

[Toadvine]

Hard to split but I'd go O'Rourke then Kennedy. If Garlett passed our interview criteria I'd have him first

 

[ize_]

Are we any chance of Mayes or will he certainly go before our pick?

 

[Toadvine]

I like to think we are, but I think the Dogs and Dees having multiple picks between 3-10 really throws everything out of wack. I can see at least one of them "reaching" for a player they really like but know won't last to the 2nd round.

 

[RichoLedio]

I really like the sound of Mayes

 

[Tigerbob]

Hard to split but I'd go O'Rourke then Kennedy. If Garlett passed our interview criteria I'd have him first

Cool thanks for that mate.

 

[tigs2010]

Vlastuin has slid down the order from being regarded as top 10 due to playing through the champs and beyond with an ankle injury. Hasn't been playing much on ball which is his best position, he's been forced to play as a HBF. A lot of Jimmy Bartel about him in the way he plays.

Also a little bit of trivia... Jono O'Rourke is a Tiger supporter

I have an interesting little hypothetical if we really like Vlastuin. Lets say Melbourne cough up say pick 4 & 13 for Jack Martin and a 2nd rounder. Would we be in a position to give up our pick 9 for 13 & the already activated compo that comes after Adelaide's pick (roughly pick 20) Similar sort of deal to the GC one last year whereby GWS would already have pick 2, 4, (pick from the other mini-draft pick being traded), 13, 20 and a limited number of list spots. So they may look to package those 2 picks together to get another top 10 pick giving them 4 picks in the top 10.

 

[Martin#4]

I know a lot of people are screaming out for midfield depth but how would you feel if by some miracle Brodie Grundy was still available at our first pick?

Big bodied ruckman who is very quick and agile, knows how to kick a bag as well. Watched his champs and he looks a talent. Most people say he's a lock for top 5 but say he slides, would you be against us taking him instead of a Vlastuin?

Gives Maric a chop out, a forward line of riewoldt, vickery and a resting Grundy (possibly Maric resting forward when Brodie is in the ruck) would be a Fu**ing nightmare to match up on.

Suddenly you have Maric who is arguably the best ruckman in the comp + Grundy who could well be a future AA. Vickery can develop almost exclusively as a forward and perhaps pinch hit. Suddenly our ruck stocks are the best in the land, a forward line with 3 big fellas jack at 195, vickery at 200 and Grundy 202/Maric 200, keeping in mind all are very mobile.

Big Ben and astbury become depth/give them time to develop.

Bring in one more mid via free agency, 2nd pick to say Atkins and we're well on our way. Major positions/spine sorted for talent AND depth, then the next couple of years we just top up with midfielders etc

Thoughts?

 

[CoggaRules]

I know a lot of people are screaming out for midfield depth but how would you feel if by some miracle Brodie Grundy was still available at our first pick?

Big bodied ruckman who is very quick and agile, knows how to kick a bag as well. Watched his champs and he looks a talent. Most people say he's a lock for top 5 but say he slides, would you be against us taking him instead of a Vlastuin?

Gives Maric a chop out, a forward line of riewoldt, vickery and a resting Grundy (possibly Maric resting forward when Brodie is in the ruck) would be a Fu**ing nightmare to match up on.

Suddenly you have Maric who is arguably the best ruckman in the comp + Grundy who could well be a future AA. Vickery can develop almost exclusively as a forward and perhaps pinch hit. Suddenly our ruck stocks are the best in the land, a forward line with 3 big fellas jack at 195, vickery at 200 and Grundy 202/Maric 200, keeping in mind all are very mobile.

Big Ben and astbury become depth/give them time to develop.

Bring in one more mid via free agency, 2nd pick to say Atkins and we're well on our way. Major positions/spine sorted for talent AND depth, then the next couple of years we just top up with midfielders etc

Thoughts?

If he as good as you suggest and he slid to us, the club would be out of their minds not to nab him IMO. If you get the chance to acquire tall talent you dont let it pass you by.

 

[THE_GUN]

I know a lot of people are screaming out for midfield depth but how would you feel if by some miracle Brodie Grundy was still available at our first pick?

Big bodied ruckman who is very quick and agile, knows how to kick a bag as well. Watched his champs and he looks a talent. Most people say he's a lock for top 5 but say he slides, would you be against us taking him instead of a Vlastuin?

Gives Maric a chop out, a forward line of riewoldt, vickery and a resting Grundy (possibly Maric resting forward when Brodie is in the ruck) would be a Fu**ing nightmare to match up on.

Suddenly you have Maric who is arguably the best ruckman in the comp + Grundy who could well be a future AA. Vickery can develop almost exclusively as a forward and perhaps pinch hit. Suddenly our ruck stocks are the best in the land, a forward line with 3 big fellas jack at 195, vickery at 200 and Grundy 202/Maric 200, keeping in mind all are very mobile.

Big Ben and astbury become depth/give them time to develop.

Bring in one more mid via free agency, 2nd pick to say Atkins and we're well on our way. Major positions/spine sorted for talent AND depth, then the next couple of years we just top up with midfielders etc

Thoughts?

If Grundy is There ..................... We Take him No Doubt

Can Never have enough Mobile Highly Talented Big men

 

[Martin#4]

I'd liken Grundy to Dean Cox, excepts he moves alot better.

Tap work is great to watch, and he has some mongrel in him as well, doesn't mind roughing up his opponents either (Y)

Hes almost ready made as well, very big lad, could impact immediately.

 

[tigs2010]

Would take Grundy if he was there. No hesitation whatsoever. Would be stumbling to yell out his player number.

 

[Stylo]

No way he will fall to us! He's being compared to Nic Nat and Kreuzer

 

[Toadvine]

I have an interesting little hypothetical if we really like Vlastuin. Lets say Melbourne cough up say pick 4 & 13 for Jack Martin and a 2nd rounder. Would we be in a position to give up our pick 9 for 13 & the already activated compo that comes after Adelaide's pick (roughly pick 20) Similar sort of deal to the GC one last year whereby GWS would already have pick 2, 4, (pick from the other mini-draft pick being traded), 13, 20 and a limited number of list spots. So they may look to package those 2 picks together to get another top 10 pick giving them 4 picks in the top 10.

It's a pretty good idea, and a plausible one. It would take a fair bit of balls though.

 

[MR]

Grundy is a certain top 3 pick. As I said before we are set on picking up an inside midfielder and we rate Vlastuin as the best inside mid available. In terms of the hypothetical that tigs2010 mentioned, I could see it working, as Vlastuin is likely to be available at 10-15.

 

[Dragonss]

I have an interesting little hypothetical if we really like Vlastuin. Lets say Melbourne cough up say pick 4 & 13 for Jack Martin and a 2nd rounder. Would we be in a position to give up our pick 9 for 13 & the already activated compo that comes after Adelaide's pick (roughly pick 20) Similar sort of deal to the GC one last year whereby GWS would already have pick 2, 4, (pick from the other mini-draft pick being traded), 13, 20 and a limited number of list spots. So they may look to package those 2 picks together to get another top 10 pick giving them 4 picks in the top 10.

that all seems very confusing... do you mean melbourne get mini-draft pick and 2nd rounder and GWS gets 3 first round picks. then after that im very confused are you saying we get the last mini-draft pick or are you asking to get a player (presumably mature aged player like morris) and a later pick for our first rounder...

what i was thinking was to package our first pick and our 2nd rounder for melbourne's pick 4 if they get it...
thoughts on that?
dont know if that was what you were saying i am really confused

 

[tigs2010]

that all seems very confusing... do you mean melbourne get mini-draft pick and 2nd rounder and GWS gets 3 first round picks. then after that im very confused are you saying we get the last mini-draft pick or are you asking to get a player (presumably mature aged player like morris) and a later pick for our first rounder...

what i was thinking was to package our first pick and our 2nd rounder for melbourne's pick 4 if they get it...
thoughts on that?
dont know if that was what you were saying i am really confused

Obviously it's all hypothetical and as toady said it would take some balls not knowing the kid we want will still be there. Though id be confident if it's Vlastuin.

1st trade: Melbourne gain 1st mini draft pick and GWS 2nd rounder. GWS get pick 4 & 13 from Melbourne. About the same trade that gold coast made for O'meara.

2nd trade: GWS gain pick 9 from us. We gain pick 13 that they obtained from Melbourne and pick 20ish that they obtained from Adelaide last trade period.

The other top 10 pick GWS obtain would be for the other mini draft pick. Hypothetically pick 6 from the Doggies.

 

[tigs2010]

It's a pretty good idea, and a plausible one. It would take a fair bit of balls though.

Agreed. Could land us Simpson who I see as a slightly less talented Garlett type.

 

[Damo80]

that all seems very confusing... do you mean melbourne get mini-draft pick and 2nd rounder and GWS gets 3 first round picks. then after that im very confused are you saying we get the last mini-draft pick or are you asking to get a player (presumably mature aged player like morris) and a later pick for our first rounder...

what i was thinking was to package our first pick and our 2nd rounder for melbourne's pick 4 if they get it...
thoughts on that?
dont know if that was what you were saying i am really confused

Tigs was suggesting trading our first round pick (pick 9, based on current ladder position) for 13 and 20 from GWS (although looking a KM's mock, it appears GWS currently hold 22, not 20).

He is basing this on the assumption that GWS would acquire 13 from Melbourne (along with pick 4) for first pick in the mini draft.

 

[tigs2010]

Tigs was suggesting trading our first round pick (9 used as the example) for 13 and 20 from GWS (although looking a KM's mock, it appears GWS actually have 22, not 20).

He is basing this on the assumption that GWS would acquire 13 from Melbourne (along with pick 4) for first pick in the mini draft.

That pick 20-22 is based on where the crows finish.

 

[Damo80]

That pick 20-22 is based on where the crows finish.

Cheers - assumed it was something like that, although I can't see how it can move up (based on KM's draft order). But I think, if Vlastuin is the man we want, and we're confident he will be there @ 13, AND GWS would go for it (list squeeze will come in a couple of years, so may suit them?), then I'd be all for it. Might pick up the man we want (and would use #9 on anyway), and a bonus pick that we could on-trade, or more grab another "need filler".

Not sure #9 is quite high enough to tempt GWS to be honest... only 4 place upgrade. Plus, lets not forget the big assumption here is that GWS gain 13 from the Dee's.

 

[Dragonss]

Toadvine or somebody can you guys clarify the cons of players O'Rourke, Vlastuin, Garlett and Kennedy because everything is positive about them and it seems as if they're all number one picks

 

[Tigerbob]

Wouldn't risk downgrading our pick. Just pick the guy we think is the best option at our pick. Massive difference between 9 and 20. Even 9 and 13, we may miss a better talent than we could of got if we had stayed. That is detrimental on our development plan I would have thought.

We will get a top notch talent in O'Rourke, Gartlett, Kennedy or Vlastuin. Take whomever it is and focus on the next pick. We will have 3 picks in the first two rounds, let's get three good talents to the club and run with it.

Vlastuin sounds like a level headed kid with good ability. Heard him being compared to a Bartel type.... Could use one of those hey!

Still favour Gartlett to anyone being mentioned but the options are certainly there.

 

[Damo80]

Toadvine or somebody can you guys clarify the cons of players O'Rourke, Vlastuin, Garlett and Kennedy because everything is positive about them and it seems as if they're all number one picks

I'm no draft expert, so I'll leave the more informed and detailed response to TV and others, but it certainly appears from reading profiles and seeing bits of vision here and there, that there'll be a healthy number of very high level talents at the pointy end of the draft this year.

 

[Damo80]

Wouldn't risk downgrading our pick. Just pick the guy we think is the best option at our pick. Massive difference between 9 and 20. Even 9 and 13, we may miss a better talent than we could of got if we had stayed.

Still favour Gartlett to anyone being mentioned but the options are certainly there.

If the club believe the latter (i.e. if it's such a talented, even draft in the top 15 or so, and the club would be happy with any one of a handful of players in that 9-13 range), then what Tigs has suggested is worth a shot.

If the clubs believes the former, and that the one guy they're really keen on may be there at 9, but not 13, then I guess they won't attempt that sort of trade.

You mention the chance to get 3 good talents to the club in the 1st and 2nd round... what about 4 good talents. Could really set us up for the future!