2012 draft

[tigs2010]

Well can you get classy outside players later in the draft or inside onballers?

You pick the better player early. Not a type. If you want inside onballers you can get them later at Pick 29 and 31. Won't be many Jetta's around then. But Boltons or Kennedy's a plenty.

Josh Simpson second round? Bit inconsistent at this stage but can do some magical things. He just hasn't put it all together as expected this year and could slide. Shannon Taylor is another I'd look at as is Dom Barry late ND/Rookie.

 

[_DBF_]

Josh Simpson second round? Bit inconsistent at this stage but can do some magical things. He just hasn't put it all together as expected this year and could slide. Shannon Taylor is another I'd look at as is Dom Barry late ND/Rookie.

Won't be my final claim of idealism before the draft:
Port Adelaide's #7 + Matt Thomas to Richmond for #9 + Jayden Post
Greater Western Sydeny's #24 + Dom Tyson to Richmond for #7 + Robin Nahas
Adelaide's #40 to Richmond for Angus Graham

Pick #24 - Dean Towers
Pick #29 - Shannon Taylor
Pick #31 - Nathan Hrovat
Pick #40 - Tom Lee

Rookie Draft (4 picks)
#1 Myke Cook
#2 Shane Nelson
#3 Nick Rodda
#4 Andrew Browne

B: (2) Dylan Grimes, (5) Troy Chaplin, (38) Steven Morris
HB: (15) Brandon Ellis, (18) Alex Rance, (14) Bachar Houli
C: (6) Shaun Grigg, (17) Trent Cotchin, (3) Brett Deledio
HF: (25) Chris Knights, (29) Tyrone Vickery, (1) Chris Newman
F: (10) Shane Edwards, (8) Jack Riewoldt, (4) Dustin Martin
Foll: (20) Ivan Maric, (21) Shane Tuck, (41) Nathan Foley
Int: (30) Reece Conca, (23) Daniel Jackson, (19) Dom Tyson, (26) Matt Thomas

B: (7) Matt Dea, (46) Nick Rodda, (48) Ben Darrou
HB: (11) Jake Batchelor, (24) Ben Griffiths, (49) Steven Verrier
C: (42) Myke Cook, (45) Shane Nelson, (31) Dean Towers
HF: (22) Brett O'Hanlon, (43) Todd Elton, (35) Matt White
F: (16) Luke McGuane, (12) David Astbury, (28) Jake King
Foll: (34) Andrew Browne, (37) Nathan Hrovat, (44) Matthew Arnot
Int: (38) Tom Derickx, (36) Shannon Taylor, (40) Tom Lee, (32) Brad Helbig, (52) Gideon Simon


... of course If we don't get Tyson, I am more than happy to take Vlastuin with #9.

 

[theflea]

Sydney won because of their inside skill. Not because of Jetta. We are nowhere near Sydney's proficiency on the inside hence we need to increase our stocks. Garlett would make a big improvement on the club but is definitely not what we need. We need a dead-set inside midfielder or two.

I'm sorry, I was sitting on the edge before but this game has completely convinced me. We should definitely not target outside players with our first pick.

absolutely agree esp with tuck retiring within a year or 2.

 

[Tigez 4 Life]

Won't be my final claim of idealism before the draft:
Port Adelaide's #7 + Matt Thomas to Richmond for #9 + Jayden Post
Greater Western Sydeny's #24 + Dom Tyson to Richmond for #7 + Robin Nahas
Adelaide's #40 to Richmond for Angus Graham

Pick #24 - Dean Towers
Pick #29 - Shannon Taylor
Pick #31 - Nathan Hrovat
Pick #40 - Tom Lee

Rookie Draft (4 picks)
#1 Myke Cook
#2 Shane Nelson
#3 Nick Rodda
#4 Andrew Browne

B: (2) Dylan Grimes, (5) Troy Chaplin, (38) Steven Morris
HB: (15) Brandon Ellis, (18) Alex Rance, (14) Bachar Houli
C: (6) Shaun Grigg, (17) Trent Cotchin, (3) Brett Deledio
HF: (25) Chris Knights, (29) Tyrone Vickery, (1) Chris Newman
F: (10) Shane Edwards, (8) Jack Riewoldt, (4) Dustin Martin
Foll: (20) Ivan Maric, (21) Shane Tuck, (41) Nathan Foley
Int: (30) Reece Conca, (23) Daniel Jackson, (19) Dom Tyson, (26) Matt Thomas

B: (7) Matt Dea, (46) Nick Rodda, (48) Ben Darrou
HB: (11) Jake Batchelor, (24) Ben Griffiths, (49) Steven Verrier
C: (42) Myke Cook, (45) Shane Nelson, (31) Dean Towers
HF: (22) Brett O'Hanlon, (43) Todd Elton, (35) Matt White
F: (16) Luke McGuane, (12) David Astbury, (28) Jake King
Foll: (34) Andrew Browne, (37) Nathan Hrovat, (44) Matthew Arnot
Int: (38) Tom Derickx, (36) Shannon Taylor, (40) Tom Lee, (32) Brad Helbig, (52) Gideon Simon


... of course If we don't get Tyson, I am more than happy to take Vlastuin with #9.

what kind of player is Vlastuin?

 

[_DBF_]

what kind of player is Vlastuin?

Height: 187cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 19/04/1994
Recruited from: Northern Knights
Style: Nathan Buckley (less athletic)
Player comparison:
Range: 10-25
Profile: Midfielder who consistently wins the contested footy and just consistently goes harder than the next player. Big time clearance player. Skill level is exceptional, uses it well by both hand and foot and rarely makes mistakes. Particularly stands out by foot and has nice penetration. Has also been noted for leadership and really leads by example out on the field so there is a lot to like. Marking ability forward of centre very good for a midfielder. Consistently plays to a high level. Athletically not as good as other likely high end midfield choices but is still a hard runner who will work all day and demonstrates great endurance and work rate. Tackles hard and willingly works both ways. Looks like a very low risk, solid pro who is worthy of a high draft position. Probably didn’t produce the numbers at the u18 champs that many expected but still a very desirable prospect and a guy you can play through the midfield tomorrow which will appeal to a number of clubs.

^courtesy of Knightmare.

 

[theflea]

Won't be my final claim of idealism before the draft:
Port Adelaide's #7 + Matt Thomas to Richmond for #9 + Jayden Post
Greater Western Sydeny's #24 + Dom Tyson to Richmond for #7 + Robin Nahas
Adelaide's #40 to Richmond for Angus Graham

Pick #24 - Dean Towers
Pick #29 - Shannon Taylor
Pick #31 - Nathan Hrovat
Pick #40 - Tom Lee

Rookie Draft (4 picks)
#1 Myke Cook
#2 Shane Nelson
#3 Nick Rodda
#4 Andrew Browne

B: (2) Dylan Grimes, (5) Troy Chaplin, (38) Steven Morris
HB: (15) Brandon Ellis, (18) Alex Rance, (14) Bachar Houli
C: (6) Shaun Grigg, (17) Trent Cotchin, (3) Brett Deledio
HF: (25) Chris Knights, (29) Tyrone Vickery, (1) Chris Newman
F: (10) Shane Edwards, (8) Jack Riewoldt, (4) Dustin Martin
Foll: (20) Ivan Maric, (21) Shane Tuck, (41) Nathan Foley
Int: (30) Reece Conca, (23) Daniel Jackson, (19) Dom Tyson, (26) Matt Thomas

B: (7) Matt Dea, (46) Nick Rodda, (48) Ben Darrou
HB: (11) Jake Batchelor, (24) Ben Griffiths, (49) Steven Verrier
C: (42) Myke Cook, (45) Shane Nelson, (31) Dean Towers
HF: (22) Brett O'Hanlon, (43) Todd Elton, (35) Matt White
F: (16) Luke McGuane, (12) David Astbury, (28) Jake King
Foll: (34) Andrew Browne, (37) Nathan Hrovat, (44) Matthew Arnot
Int: (38) Tom Derickx, (36) Shannon Taylor, (40) Tom Lee, (32) Brad Helbig, (52) Gideon Simon


... of course If we don't get Tyson, I am more than happy to take Vlastuin with #9.

you truly have an imagination deano!

 

[Tigez 4 Life]

Height: 187cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 19/04/1994
Recruited from: Northern Knights
Style: Nathan Buckley (less athletic)
Player comparison:
Range: 10-25
Profile: Midfielder who consistently wins the contested footy and just consistently goes harder than the next player. Big time clearance player. Skill level is exceptional, uses it well by both hand and foot and rarely makes mistakes. Particularly stands out by foot and has nice penetration. Has also been noted for leadership and really leads by example out on the field so there is a lot to like. Marking ability forward of centre very good for a midfielder. Consistently plays to a high level. Athletically not as good as other likely high end midfield choices but is still a hard runner who will work all day and demonstrates great endurance and work rate. Tackles hard and willingly works both ways. Looks like a very low risk, solid pro who is worthy of a high draft position. Probably didn’t produce the numbers at the u18 champs that many expected but still a very desirable prospect and a guy you can play through the midfield tomorrow which will appeal to a number of clubs.

^courtesy of Knightmare.

if both him and Wines are available at pick who is the better take?

 

[richoatthedisco]

Well can you get classy outside players later in the draft or inside onballers?

You pick the better player early. Not a type. If you want inside onballers you can get them later at Pick 29 and 31. Won't be many Jetta's around then. But Boltons or Kennedy's a plenty.

Bolton's played 300 games and Kennedy might win the Brownlow. They ain't aplenty. You get Luke Parker or Daniel Hannebery at 29/31.

I hope we get Tyson, which will involve giving up pick 9, but if we don't I'll trust Frank to get us a good one.

 

[_DBF_]

you truly have an imagination deano!

 

[_DBF_]

if both him and Wines are available at pick who is the better take?

I would think Wines by a fair bit. But don't think he'll last.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2012-mock-draft.956129/

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

I haven't seen any of Vlaustin playing midfield but his build reminds me of josh kennedy from sydney. Im not sure if they are similar players though they both play inside.

Also deano i like your proposal though instead of taylor i would have broomhead, Garner or Simpson. What are peoples thoughts on Taylor Garner btw?

 

[_DBF_]

I haven't seen any of Vlaustin playing midfield but his build reminds me of josh kennedy from sydney. Im not sure if they are similar players though they both play inside.

Also deano i like your proposal though instead of taylor i would have broomhead, Garner or Simpson. What are peoples thoughts on Taylor Garner btw?

Wouldn't think Garner or Simpson would slip past 20-25.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

A lot will depend on how they go at the draft combine for those two.

 

[MR]

Well can you get classy outside players later in the draft or inside onballers?

You pick the better player early. Not a type. If you want inside onballers you can get them later at Pick 29 and 31. Won't be many Jetta's around then. But Boltons or Kennedy's a plenty.

Rubbish! You'd take a Kennedy before Jetta no matter what the cirumstance. Yours my friend is a completely flawed statement for a few reasons. The most fundamental is that outside players completely rely on the inside mids, which was extremely evident in last nights game. If you don't have players like the Kennedys and the O'Keefes you will never win a premiership. Look at Collingwood's list, Swan, Beams, Pendlebury, Thomas, Sidebottom, looks pretty good on paper huh, well they got their asses kicked because they couldn't win the ball. You wouldn't use a 2nd or 3rd round picks on arguably the most important asset in the game. We don't have that luxury of taking a Garlett type yet. I agree with you, we certainly need one, but Vlastuin and Wines would be so much more important to our side.

In accordance to your argument of 'you pick the better player early,' if Richmond rated Lachlan Plowman (KPD) as the best available talent, would you be happy for us to pick him up? Would you use such a valuable pick 9 on a key-position defender who automatically goes behind Rance, Grimes, Griffiths, Chaplin and Batchelor? No. It would be quite silly.

 

[Mr Magic]

Rubbish! You'd take a Kennedy before Jetta no matter what the cirumstance. Yours my friend is a completely flawed statement for a few reasons. The most fundamental is that outside players completely rely on the inside mids, which was extremely evident in last nights game. If you don't have players like the Kennedys and the O'Keefes you will never win a premiership. Look at Collingwood's list, Swan, Beams, Pendlebury, Thomas, Sidebottom, looks pretty good on paper huh, well they got their asses kicked because they couldn't win the ball. You wouldn't use a 2nd or 3rd round picks on arguably the most important asset in the game. We don't have that luxury of taking a Garlett type yet. I agree with you, we certainly need one, but Vlastuin and Wines would be so much more important to our side.

In accordance to your argument of 'you pick the better player early,' if Richmond rated Lachlan Plowman (KPD) as the best available talent, would you be happy for us to pick him up? Would you use such a valuable pick 9 on a key-position defender who automatically goes behind Rance, Grimes, Griffiths, Chaplin and Batchelor? No. It would be quite silly.

I agree, but I would have thought the outside players might be better than Jetta who is overrated for mine.

Actually if best available we could pick up Plowman , Morris in backline with, there could be room for Plowman. I cannot see Houli surviving unless becomes a Libba/McGlynn type crumber in the middle frankly. Hoping Dea improves as well. I like his style

 

[SumTingWong]

Won't be my final claim of idealism before the draft:
Port Adelaide's #7 + Matt Thomas to Richmond for #9 + Jayden Post
Greater Western Sydeny's #24 + Dom Tyson to Richmond for #7 + Robin Nahas
Adelaide's #40 to Richmond for Angus Graham

Pick #24 - Dean Towers
Pick #29 - Shannon Taylor
Pick #31 - Nathan Hrovat
Pick #40 - Tom Lee

Rookie Draft (4 picks)
#1 Myke Cook
#2 Shane Nelson
#3 Nick Rodda
#4 Andrew Browne

B: (2) Dylan Grimes, (5) Troy Chaplin, (38) Steven Morris
HB: (15) Brandon Ellis, (18) Alex Rance, (14) Bachar Houli
C: (6) Shaun Grigg, (17) Trent Cotchin, (3) Brett Deledio
HF: (25) Chris Knights, (29) Tyrone Vickery, (1) Chris Newman
F: (10) Shane Edwards, (8) Jack Riewoldt, (4) Dustin Martin
Foll: (20) Ivan Maric, (21) Shane Tuck, (41) Nathan Foley
Int: (30) Reece Conca, (23) Daniel Jackson, (19) Dom Tyson, (26) Matt Thomas

B: (7) Matt Dea, (46) Nick Rodda, (48) Ben Darrou
HB: (11) Jake Batchelor, (24) Ben Griffiths, (49) Steven Verrier
C: (42) Myke Cook, (45) Shane Nelson, (31) Dean Towers
HF: (22) Brett O'Hanlon, (43) Todd Elton, (35) Matt White
F: (16) Luke McGuane, (12) David Astbury, (28) Jake King
Foll: (34) Andrew Browne, (37) Nathan Hrovat, (44) Matthew Arnot
Int: (38) Tom Derickx, (36) Shannon Taylor, (40) Tom Lee, (32) Brad Helbig, (52) Gideon Simon


... of course If we don't get Tyson, I am more than happy to take Vlastuin with #9.

Really like how you've sorted the KPP's both forward and back. The only thing for me would be that if we had Elton/Astbury/Lee as back up KPF's I would definitely delist/trade McSpud and use our pick 50 for a best available or Rodda (as I agree we need to find a young FB to develop) as he might actually go in the ND. But it seems as though we are keeping him

 

[Stylo]

you truly have an imagination deano!

Let's hope Hartley does too!

 

[Tigerbob]

Rubbish! You'd take a Kennedy before Jetta no matter what the cirumstance. Yours my friend is a completely flawed statement for a few reasons. The most fundamental is that outside players completely rely on the inside mids, which was extremely evident in last nights game. If you don't have players like the Kennedys and the O'Keefes you will never win a premiership. Look at Collingwood's list, Swan, Beams, Pendlebury, Thomas, Sidebottom, looks pretty good on paper huh, well they got their asses kicked because they couldn't win the ball. You wouldn't use a 2nd or 3rd round picks on arguably the most important asset in the game. We don't have that luxury of taking a Garlett type yet. I agree with you, we certainly need one, but Vlastuin and Wines would be so much more important to our side.

In accordance to your argument of 'you pick the better player early,' if Richmond rated Lachlan Plowman (KPD) as the best available talent, would you be happy for us to pick him up? Would you use such a valuable pick 9 on a key-position defender who automatically goes behind Rance, Grimes, Griffiths, Chaplin and Batchelor? No. It would be quite silly.

What draft pick was Kennedy? Please tell me what he was traded for? You can develop these types into the players they are. Sam Mitchell? When was he taken?

What I am saying, is the player who has the best talent you take first. Not hard logic is it? If we thought Plowman was by far and away the best talent at Pick 9 and would be ten times the next player then of course you take him. You draft for stars early. You trade for your second tier and needs. So if Plowman is that highly rated yes you do take him at Pick 9.

Your logic is typical forum research banter. Not how clubs think. Your early pick, you take the best talent. If there is not a difference between a tall and a small and both projected by your intelligence to be equal, then you take the need. Logic 101.

I rate Garlett a top 5 talent. Whitfield, Grundy, Toumpas are the only three I would rate above him definitely. You want me to not take the guy I rate top 5 and take a guy I rate outside the top ten on talent in Vlastuin or Wines because they are the type you take before the outside player? Logic huh!

We need both, inside ball winners and outside pace with class. I maintain you don't get the outside pace with class at your second rounder. I also maintain you can get your Kennedy's then. As I recall, that was his rating at his draft class. Fancy that hey!

 

[theflea]

Rubbish! You'd take a Kennedy before Jetta no matter what the cirumstance. Yours my friend is a completely flawed statement for a few reasons. The most fundamental is that outside players completely rely on the inside mids, which was extremely evident in last nights game. If you don't have players like the Kennedys and the O'Keefes you will never win a premiership. Look at Collingwood's list, Swan, Beams, Pendlebury, Thomas, Sidebottom, looks pretty good on paper huh, well they got their asses kicked because they couldn't win the ball. You wouldn't use a 2nd or 3rd round picks on arguably the most important asset in the game. We don't have that luxury of taking a Garlett type yet. I agree with you, we certainly need one, but Vlastuin and Wines would be so much more important to our side.

In accordance to your argument of 'you pick the better player early,' if Richmond rated Lachlan Plowman (KPD) as the best available talent, would you be happy for us to pick him up? Would you use such a valuable pick 9 on a key-position defender who automatically goes behind Rance, Grimes, Griffiths, Chaplin and Batchelor? No. It would be quite silly.

while our fwd line needs work we lost games this purely bc we didnt win the ball often enough for long enough. we need inside mids desperately(not too many tho) esp with tuck on the verge of retiring.

 

[Stylo]

Won't be my final claim of idealism before the draft:
Port Adelaide's #7 + Matt Thomas to Richmond for #9 + Jayden Post
Greater Western Sydeny's #24 + Dom Tyson to Richmond for #7 + Robin Nahas
Adelaide's #40 to Richmond for Angus Graham

Pick #24 - Dean Towers
Pick #29 - Shannon Taylor
Pick #31 - Nathan Hrovat
Pick #40 - Tom Lee

Rookie Draft (4 picks)
#1 Myke Cook
#2 Shane Nelson
#3 Nick Rodda
#4 Andrew Browne

B: (2) Dylan Grimes, (5) Troy Chaplin, (38) Steven Morris
HB: (15) Brandon Ellis, (18) Alex Rance, (14) Bachar Houli
C: (6) Shaun Grigg, (17) Trent Cotchin, (3) Brett Deledio
HF: (25) Chris Knights, (29) Tyrone Vickery, (1) Chris Newman
F: (10) Shane Edwards, (8) Jack Riewoldt, (4) Dustin Martin
Foll: (20) Ivan Maric, (21) Shane Tuck, (41) Nathan Foley
Int: (30) Reece Conca, (23) Daniel Jackson, (19) Dom Tyson, (26) Matt Thomas

B: (7) Matt Dea, (46) Nick Rodda, (48) Ben Darrou
HB: (11) Jake Batchelor, (24) Ben Griffiths, (49) Steven Verrier
C: (42) Myke Cook, (45) Shane Nelson, (31) Dean Towers
HF: (22) Brett O'Hanlon, (43) Todd Elton, (35) Matt White
F: (16) Luke McGuane, (12) David Astbury, (28) Jake King
Foll: (34) Andrew Browne, (37) Nathan Hrovat, (44) Matthew Arnot
Int: (38) Tom Derickx, (36) Shannon Taylor, (40) Tom Lee, (32) Brad Helbig, (52) Gideon Simon


... of course If we don't get Tyson, I am more than happy to take Vlastuin with #9.

Really good! A bit fanciful, but that's never hurt anyone.

So assuming we get Tyson (let me dream) ins and outs here would be:

In - Tyson, Thomas, Towers, Taylor, Hrovat, Lee, Chaplin, Knights and rookies Cook, Nelson, Rodda, Browne and Simon.
Out - Post, Nahas, Graham, Webberley, Connors, Macdonald, Moore, Browne, and rookies Wright, Miller, Maric, Turner and Heslin.

Pretty almighty turnover but I would be very very happy with it! GET IT DONE TIGES.

 

[theflea]

What draft pick was Kennedy? Please tell me what he was traded for? You can develop these types into the players they are. Sam Mitchell? When was he taken?

What I am saying, is the player who has the best talent you take first. Not hard logic is it? If we thought Plowman was by far and away the best talent at Pick 9 and would be ten times the next player then of course you take him. You draft for stars early. You trade for your second tier and needs. So if Plowman is that highly rated yes you do take him at Pick 9.

Your logic is typical forum research banter. Not how clubs think. Your early pick, you take the best talent. If there is not a difference between a tall and a small and both projected by your intelligence to be equal, then you take the need. Logic 101.

I rate Garlett a top 5 talent. Whitfield, Grundy, Toumpas are the only three I would rate above him definitely. You want me to not take the guy I rate top 5 and take a guy I rate outside the top ten on talent in Vlastuin or Wines because they are the type you take before the outside player? Logic huh!

We need both, inside ball winners and outside pace with class. I maintain you don't get the outside pace with class at your second rounder. I also maintain you can get your Kennedy's then. As I recall, that was his rating at his draft class. Fancy that hey!

i remember kingy say on 360 that if you try to draft(1st rd) for needs you can end up with either the player you overlooked not being good and the player you chose not so good so you can lose twice. i understand what your saying about outside class but disagree you cant find that out of the 1st rd as there are plenty of players that may have skill but say no engine or fitness and the like. i do sort of half agree with you but see the other side of the debate also.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

After watching the game last night a guy like Garlett would give us that X factor.

 

[Pomsta]

i remember kingy say on 360 that if you try to draft(1st rd) for needs you can end up with either the player you overlooked being good and the player you chose not so good so you can lose twice. i understand what your saying about outside class but disagree you cant find that out of the 1st rd as there are plenty of players that may have skill but say no engine or fitness and the like. i do sort of half agree with you but see the other side of the debate also.

Totally agree. This mentality means that you pick up Pavlich instead of Fiora even though you already have Richo. First 2 or 3 picks should always be BPA. After that try to fill holes with trades, Rookie Draft, PSD and late picks. If you end up with a excess of good players in a certain position then you have more trade bait to improve further.

 

[Kick it 2 Royce]

After watching the game last night a guy like Garlett would give us that X factor.

Agree wholeheartedly watching both prelims and players like jetta and rioli turn games with a touch of brilliance an x factor player is needed in the coming years, Garlett is that player with his pace and skill, I know he has had his off field issues but he is a top 5 talent and a slight risk but one worth taking if still available at pick 9. we have plenty of solid citizen foot soldier types time to draft some magic!!!

 

[NZ_Tiger]

After tonight I'd say Garlett. Cyril stood out like dogs balls in that game. We lack some pace and agility. Next year is a purportedly good draft and I think that there will be some grunt available at our pick also we seem to have targeted a few mature insides from other clubs. C'mon trade week.