Garlett doesn't have Rioli's pace.
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Agree but he does have class and a touch of brilliance about him.
The club seems to also be putting a strong emphasis on character in their ranking of players. Garlett's had some off-field issues, albeit they were reasonably minor, but I wouldn't be surprised if this meant they went for an arguably less talented player, but one who is a "model citizen", with good leadership skills etc. That would be the one exception to your "take the best talent first" motto.
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Bloody close to it. He is a jet. In fact without knowing the stats, I am going to highly doubt your statement. Seen Garlett rip up the turf like no one else. Jetta the quickest I have seen but Garlett comes close.
I went tonight, watched the game closely. The likes of Mitchell was great in close, but in a close game, that class and zip and x factor that can swing a game did. Rioli was amazing, as was Jetta last night. Garlett in the yellow and black gives me goosebumps. Don't need to look at the stats for that game, because if your a stat watcher you miss these guys game and the importance of it. Momentum shifters they are. Very hard to do. They both do it. These types do it.
I totally understand the need for an inside midfielder. Totally get your argument. But I simply rate Garlett that high, and your argument to me means we will be taking a player I rate less. I won't change my opinion. On needs, I think both are needed, inside grunt on baller and x factor outside skilled player. So to me, whatever is best you take.
If we are on the MCG next September, the expectancy when it goes forward to have someone who has that pace and can do anything will be amazing. Cotch, Deledio, Martin, Foley, Tuck will drive us, a guy like Garlett can turn it into gold.
Definitely. But there is something wrong with that too in my opinion.
If they are Troy Taylor or Dan Connors bad, yeah maybe avoid. Garlett wasn't and isn't even close to that. Blown way out of proportion.
Look, it probably cost us Buddy the most exciting player in the league a policy like that. Cost most Darling two years ago. Maybe three years ago we weren't equipped to handle the type. We are now. We have a great playing culture. Plus as I said, Garlett isn't trouble like most on here make him out to be.
I think the club have a policy, but that kind of policy can become stale and cost you the ultimate. We are very vanilla. Do we need more vanilla types? Don't get me wrong I like the types and they are good footballers, but is the time now to add that spark? Sydney did it with Jetta. They were the most vanilla team going around. Kinnear Beatson went there and went bang. Gary Rohan, Lewis Jetta and Byron Sumner (remember the name, will get drafted again) in the one draft. He is up there with the best recruiters and he understood what was missing.
My opinion, and again I stress it's just my opinion, I think it is high time we do the same. MCG, under lights, massive crowd, game needs a spark. We need that type.
I can't even remember what the "issue" was with Garlett now, but understand it's nothing too serious.
I think the club is being conservative because unlike the Swans (and other's) we need to make every one count. Garlett may not be in this boat, but if there's any chance of a player being a Connors/Taylor/Jurrah, then we're not in the position yet to take that gamble in the hope they could be our Jetta/Rioli/Buddy.
So I guess with all that said, I'm not talking about Garlett, nor a skillful outside mid in the general sense, but the issue of assessing the character of any player we're looking at drafting. We need to do everything we can to ensure we're bringing in guys who are every chance of playing 200+ games for RFC... that won't come down to an assessment of talent alone, but of talent, combined with character, work ethic, leadership skills etc. If Garlett is deemed to be the best balance of these qualities when our pick comes up, then I'd hope we'd be snapping him up.
I completely understand where you are coming from. Mate, I want Garlett to play for us next year. The thing is that inside-midfielders won it for Sydney, not Jetta. The recipe for success is 2/3 inside midfielders, tackles and contested possessions. What you suggest is that we trade for inside-midfielders, well we are trying to do that with Thomas, but look at all the negativity towards that. Honestly, 1/10 posters on the Matt Thomas Thread actually want him and the chances than he will turn into a Josh Kennedy or a Sam Mitchell are quite slim.
Garlett would not be able to thrive if we can't get the ball out to him. The thing with Jetta is that if you put him in a team like Melbourne, he would struggle. Cyril is a bit of a different situation as he has a pretty decent inside game. Not that I am saying that Garlett doesn't or won't be able to develop an inside game, but he certainly hasn't shown it.
We are going around in circles a bit. My argument has nothing to do with Thomas. While a decent depth player, never do I think he will make it to a Mitchell level.
Also, no offence to us fans, but we don't know a hell of a lot due to us being so one eyed. Most here and around were totally against Grigg, Houli, Maric. I remember getting a message from a mate, distraught about picking up an Adelaide reject and giving away a good pick. I don't read into too much of others opinions, I forge my own. I am passionate as they come to our club, but take enjoyment out of researching every player and club and love the draft.
I think Sydney won the game by team defence and clogging up Collingwood. They added the cherry on top with Jetta. His three goals came at great times, swung momentum and gave the crowd a lift. The modern game in my opinion is who has momentum for the longest and can take the biggest advantage when they have it. The players I like to call Momentum shifters can do so much damage and turn games on their heads. Garlett if developed right, he can be one of those.
My assessment of the draft is there will be some inside grunt types available at our two second round picks who could become very decent players. The difference between them and the likes of Wines and Vlastuin is not as great as the x factor early pick. In my opinion. Said it before. If Garlett drops to nine, say thank you to whomever up above and run. He is number 4 on my rankings. Number 4! Now I am no professional expert on the draft, I am just a fan who is fortunate to get tapes of kids and watch a lot of vision, but my opinion is Garlett with an AFL development could be any bit as good as Jetta and Rioli. You are talking about All Australian (How did Jetta miss?) talent who are Momentum shifters. Crowd pleasers.
You're right we are just going in circles and neither one of us will convince the other. We can just agree to disagree then.
true. i will say as much as our luck/selections have been bad, at the time fiora and tambo were seen by the wider footy community(junior talent scouts) as very good selections. just our luck they didnt work out.
princess was a very very highly rated junior. we had a lot of good selections but just didnt develop them well.
its well known buddy psych test was ordinary and i think the champs was crap as well.
Josh Simpson make it to pick 29? Doubtful. If he does, snap him up. Agreed. I just don't see it happening.
Shannon Taylor as a rookie, yes. Couple of NT boys Anothony Tipungwuti and Jake Neade would be great late gets.
Exactly. Yet here we are. Hawthorn took the risk and it has more than paid off. Fortune favours the brave. Where have I seen that before?
Tipungwuti plays for Gippsland, so it's not as though he will have the whole miss home, adjust to city problems. He is a utility can play anywhere, I like him as a forward though. He is extremely talented, just needs to take the finger out. It will certainly be interesting to see if he's a big-game player tomorrow at tomorrow's GF.
He's one I will be very looking forward to watching tomorrow. Good post, spot on! Like Rioli, knows what living away from the top end is all about. I too like him as a forward. Hope he does well.
I'm afraid that if we had taken Franklin ahead of Tambling, we would not have been able to develop him to the same extent that Hawthorn were able to. There were some huge off-field problems which were rumored with Franklin at the time and there are still whispers that they are still occurring today.
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I am more interested in Macrae, Membrey, Graham, Kearns and Billings. All widely tipped to go around our picks. (Other than Billings who I believe will just be short of reach next year.)
I have no doubt we wouldn't have, but we didn't know that at the time of selection. What I am saying, is if we have the choice to take a guy who is the better player, more likely to become an A grader, but don't take him due to a minor blemish on his personal side of things, are we doing a disservice to our club?
At the end of the day, we are going to get a good one at Pick 9. Our recruiting has been very good. I just feel we are so one paced and we have a chance to change that. I wonder where we would rank Garlett in terms of talent? Oh to be a fly on the wall!
Credit to Hawthorn for developing Lance into the footballer he is today. I don't care for what he does in his personal life, for the record I have heard of thousand of things, but when gameday comes he almost always performs. Two time Premiership player? Who really cares what he does? Save that for Hutchy and Damo and the gossip mags. I want winners, he is one of those.
Plenty to watch tomorrow for sure. I like all types, the top end talent and the diamonds in the rough. Nothing better than discovering a guy who no one rates highly, only for him to become a top class AFL player.
Can Macrae perform on the big stage? If he does top ten surely beckons.
Is Membrey going to rise in most people's eyes? I hope so, he deserves it. I think he is a gun.
Nicky Graham, well no one deserves the Premiership more and an AFL opportunity too. Looking forward to seeing him on Etihad.
Billings, gun. Unless we stuff up next year or trade a big name, we won't get close I don't think.
Cannot wait for tomorrow!
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I'm starting to warm to the idea of a pick downgrade. This draft seems to go deep in terms of talent.
FWIW looking at the mock drafts ( I know
) there could be a players with known issues such as Stringer/Gartlett available outside the top 10 or if the clubs before us decide they're worth the risk of a top 10 pick a Vlastuin/Wines available. (Especially if there are two top 10 F/S)
I would be pretty sure Garlett wont be around after Pick #10
Also just on another note , people are going on about Garlett being outside and we need inside mids, Im pretty sure Garlett can also play as an inside mid aswell, Sure he is young and we wouldnt put him inside next year but in 2-3 years theres no reason why he wouldnt play a similar role to cotchin.
He does look Electric though
Also just on another note , people are going on about Garlett being outside and we need inside mids, Im pretty sure Garlett can also play as an inside mid aswell, Sure he is young and we wouldnt put him inside next year but in 2-3 years theres no reason why he wouldnt play a similar role to cotchin.
He does look Electric though
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