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Martin_Riewoldt said:
What are peoples thoughts on Macrae? Hardly been talked about here and will go around the 3-10 area.
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J...E...T. Doubt he will be there at our pick though. Heard Doggies are keen. I know we've been looking at him too from a long way out so I'd imagine he'd be a chance.
 
Tigerbob said:
But all said and done we need to have the same development and culture of Sydney. That is what won yesterdays game.
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For mine the players and especially the leaders drive culture. Sydney's come from guys like Hall, Maxfield, Kirk, Barry and Roos and continues through Goodes, ROK, Kennedy and Bolton. We have to build something similar and the way to do that is strong competitive leaders. Vlastuin seems to fit that mould, like Conca, Ellis and Cotchin. It's hard to say if Garlett can bring the same leadership qualities? But I don't think Jetta would be the success he was without Goodes and Sydney's culture and I'm not sure we are there yet. Garlett for mine would thrive at Sydney or Geelong.
 
If given the first Pick I would take Viney, I think his mixture of attitude, ability and leadership could be culture changing for a club and he could be a Lenny Hayes like influence.

Just to throw this out there, Hawks won the centre clearances 19/5! but couldn't capitalize on it. Partly goal kicking but partly lack of run as well. PS, I don't rate Isaac Smith, and Cyril returned to form this week.
 

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I don't believe we are lacking in X factor types. Cotchin & Martin are both capable of going forward and changing the course of a game with a 5-10min burst. Deledio Foley Newman Houli Nahas and Morris are all linebreakers who can split open presses by running at them through the middle of the ground. As I said earlier today the one thing we really seem to be missing is midfielders who are capable of getting in and winning enough contested footy for long enough.

Too often when we don't have all of Cotchin Tuck Deledio & Martin in the middle our contested ball winning ability falls away. Conca Ellis and maybe even Morris will add to that in 2013 and beyond, but IMO we still need more. The reason being is as I said above guys like Cotchin and Martin, even Deledio are capable of being weapons for us up forward to change things us when we need to turn to something different. When this happens we need to be sure that we're not going to face a drop off in the midfield.

This is why I'll continue to push for us to take midfielders who can win their own footy first, be accountable and do the defensive things second and then if possible have an X factor quality. IMO we're going to be better served getting these types in rather than those who can do the flashy things but too often go missing when the heat is really put on them in big games.
 
Has anyone heard for sure that the Tigers are keen on Vlastuin?

Getting excited reading about him.
 
_RT_ said:
I don't believe we are lacking in X factor types. Cotchin & Martin are both capable of going forward and changing the course of a game with a 5-10min burst. Deledio Foley Newman Houli Nahas and Morris are all linebreakers who can split open presses by running at them through the middle of the ground. As I said earlier today the one thing we really seem to be missing is midfielders who are capable of getting in and winning enough contested footy for long enough.

Too often when we don't have all of Cotchin Tuck Deledio & Martin in the middle our contested ball winning ability falls away. Conca Ellis and maybe even Morris will add to that in 2013 and beyond, but IMO we still need more. The reason being is as I said above guys like Cotchin and Martin, even Deledio are capable of being weapons for us up forward to change things us when we need to turn to something different. When this happens we need to be sure that we're not going to face a drop off in the midfield.

This is why I'll continue to push for us to take midfielders who can win their own footy first, be accountable and do the defensive things second and then if possible have an X factor quality. IMO we're going to be better served getting these types in rather than those who can do the flashy things but too often go missing when the heat is really put on them in big games.
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Agree totally and for my mind a Sewell, J Kennedy type of mid is the element missing. Targeting one in the draft would be good but the need is a bit more immediate.
 
I would be very keen on any of Macrae, O'Rourke, Vlastuin, Garlett, Wines with #9

Very comfortable with our position
 
Isn't it incredible how open this draft is. I mean we could get someone at 9 whom other clubs may rate at 3, or even 15. Normally the draft is pretty locked after the first 5-6 picks. Look at last year, Patton, Coniglio, Tyson, Hoskin Elliot, Buntine, Wingard was always going to be the first 6. Even the year before, Swallow, Bennell, Day, Gaff and Polec were pretty much set.

This year, even the player who goes at pick 1 is being questioned and the one who may be drafted by GWS could slip to us at 9, though unlikely. (Grundy)

Only Whitfield and Toumpas are basically the consensus 1 and 2, with Viney a possible lock in for 3. After that, who knows? Some have O'Rourke going at 3, and our Phantom has him at 11. Similarly, we have Macrae at 9 and some having him a dead set top 5 pick. Truly astounding.
 
Tigerbob said:
What if the guy with elite pace is a better player? This doesn't come down to type it comes down to who is the better player and talent. As stated a thousand times, everyone has different opinions on the matter of whom is the better player, my opinion is Garlett is better than Vlastuin. The clubs is Vlastuin is better than Garlett. Fair enough, happy to back them on this.

I do agree with you though, we aren't slow, but we do not have that point of difference. Sydney went out to get that point of difference with Rohan and Jetta.

Interesting to note that Sydney got belted in the clearances, so as much as people are saying the inside midfielders won the game is simply not true. They had the better structures and had more winners all over the ground. They have this unique culture and that is what got them over the line yesterday. All of their types helped contribute to their win. Not just the vanilla types, the inside ball winners. We want to copy a trend from yesterday? Copy their culture.
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points of difference is another argument imo. its predicated on so many facets of game plans. for instance we played against jetta and co and devised a way around this speed factor. for me no other club has this speed asset, so while it would be great to have it, if we compare to the rest of the comp we are right up there imo. clearly if the player is better and with speed you go with that and i dont think anyone is saying no to this but i guess that comes down to how you rate a player. i was only referring to the way you have worded posts before saying we are 1 paced, which in my language means we are generally slow with no speed burst players which i think we have plenty of these players.

by the way im no way saying garlett is better or not as im not in the trade to accurately judge players which it seems you sort of are but more the type of player.
 

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Danog said:
If we do end up getting Tyson, we'd almost certainly have to part with our pick 9. I wonder how that'd make Francis Jackson and co feel.
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Over the Moon at first signing. Then a little bored on draft night. Then we have pick 29/31 and they get excited because of all the action then they'll be fine. :D
 
Puts added pressure on the recruiters, that's for sure. We can't have our later picks being a bust... again.

I'd like a rookie to actually turn out well for a change. Who was the last decent one? Nahas? Foley before that? That's a pretty terrible strike rate. We need to stop going for projects (outside of ruckmen) and recruit mature age players.
 
Danog said:
Puts added pressure on the recruiters, that's for sure. We can't have our later picks being a bust... again.

I'd like a rookie to actually turn out well for a change. Who was the last decent one? Nahas? Foley before that? That's a pretty terrible strike rate. We need to stop going for projects (outside of ruckmen) and recruit mature age players.
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Yer we certainly do. Having said that I think a few of our 2nd/3rd rounders are starting to show a bit slowly.

Rookie wise I really like Verrier. Think Darrou may as well have been delisted. Not athletic enough for his size. That's the plan isn't it with rookies to take mature state players.
 
Danog said:
Puts added pressure on the recruiters, that's for sure.
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No it doesn't. Tyson for pick 9 is a birthday present. They'll take a deep breath, smile and know that's one in the bank.

Already been stated we'll go for state leaguers in the rookie draft.
 
Hope we can somehow trade for an extra second rounder so we can get our 3 mids and Tom Lee.:thumbsu:
 
Harmichael said:
Hope we can somehow trade for an extra second rounder so we can get our 3 mids and Tom Lee.:thumbsu:
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Well if we can play this right, we could come out of this as unbelievable winners ! Keep in mind that GWS can Pre-List Lee and pass him on to us as with Morris.

Picks #5 & #6 + #46 from the doggies to Gws
pick #9 + #68 + Post + Nahas From Richmond
Pick #24 + Tyson + Lee + Md selection From Gws

RICHMOND GET : TYSON + LEE + #24 + #46
GWS GET : #5 + #6 + NAHAS + GRAHAM (if they want him he is steak knives for free)
DOGGIES GET : #9 +68 + POST + MD #1

Richmonds Gains & Selections in the ND would be
Tyson
Lee
#24,#29,#31,#46
 

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Danog said:
If we do end up getting Tyson, we'd almost certainly have to part with our pick 9. I wonder how that'd make Francis Jackson and co feel.
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I think it would send a very clear indication to the recruiting department that the whole football department have little faith in their ability to recruit someone at 9 , as good as Tyson . Which many have a differing opinion of whether it is possible or not , IMO it is most definately possible .
Still say Nahas for Jacobs , and keeping #9 is alot better than having to cough up 9 for Tyson .
 
richoatthedisco said:
No it's not. Tyson's better than what will be there at 9. It's like saying "we don't think you can get someone as good as Dustin Martin at pick 9 - because it's impossible"!
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As I said many will have a differing opinion , mine is that , despite being taking pick 3 last year , there will be players available at 9 , who will be better players for us than Tyson .
Also it is not impossible that there will be players available at 9 who will become better players than Martin .
 
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