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No they can't. Bit of a shame.
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Hard to say. He'd be in that very even range from 10-25 IMO. He'd probably go around where he went last year maybe a bit later. I think we've got a goodie with Brandon.
yeah what i meant is really highly rated kpp's(including rucks) tend to be chosen as best available while mids can have a little bit of best available/need thrown is as there is just more mids available in the draft.
Just had a read of Knightmares recent post about Grundy (very interesting) seems to believe that GWS wont be selecting Grundy due to an Agreement reached with Giles to sign on as #1 ruckman for the next few years and not to draft another gun Ruck ??
But I am also starting to believe that even if Grundy was still available at #9 - we wont select him and pass and will take a midfielder,My reasoning for this is mainly because of the invites that have been handed to both Stephenson & Wood, To me it looks like the club just wants a backup incase Maric goes down and not looking for a long term ruckman in the draft.
Plus some of the recent trading has also led me to believe that Hardwick & co have decided that we need to be top 8 next year and wont continue with the 100% development line and will scale back to just the draft picks and get developed players with the later/Rookie selection - in other words draft for now
But I am also starting to believe that even if Grundy was still available at #9 - we wont select him and pass and will take a midfielder,My reasoning for this is mainly because of the invites that have been handed to both Stephenson & Wood, To me it looks like the club just wants a backup incase Maric goes down and not looking for a long term ruckman in the draft.
Plus some of the recent trading has also led me to believe that Hardwick & co have decided that we need to be top 8 next year and wont continue with the 100% development line and will scale back to just the draft picks and get developed players with the later/Rookie selection - in other words draft for now
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tigs2010
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So as I stated on another thread I'm led to believe we can take either 4 main list and 4 rookies 5 & 3 and possibly 6 & 2 (not 100% sure on the last one but I believe it to be the case because the veteran list has changed where you can have unlimited inside your 40 players and save 100k per player)
Just to be safe I'm going with 39 & 5 because I know we can definitely do that.
For us I'd be looking at getting the best possible player from the delisted pool and putting him on the main list. IMO looking at the list that would be Sam Lonergan from Essendon. 25 years old 182cm inside midfielder. Not all that polished but he is solid and competes hard.
Then we still have our 4 picks.
I'm so torn between Vlastuin and Garner it isn't bloody funny anymore. Every time I watch the VC vs WA game makes me want Garner on our team more and more. But then he has shoulder issues. Vlastuin on the other hand is a gun inside midfielder. They both fill a need (Vlastuin as an inside mid/Garner as that mercurial forward) I think either way I'd be happy on draft day.
In my scenario we already got Lonergan so I'm going to go Taylor Garner here. 18 years old 187cm medium forward. A young inside mid would have to be a must amongst our next mids.
Pick 32/34. I think everyone around here knows I rate Atkins very highly and I really hope we get him on draft day if available. If we don't Essendon will and I'll find it too hard to follow his career. I see him as a midfielder personally so don't think it matters that I have Garner first. 186cm mid/fwd.
Pongracic would be the inside mid I'd snap up here in this scenario. Not the same level talent as Vlas but just as hard at it. 183cm inside mid
Then it gets harder. Matthew Dick isn't one I've seen huge amounts of. So maybe Tigerbob could give me some more info. But lovely size, dashing defender with a good kick. 188cm hbf/wing.
Would leave us with 3 rookie picks.
If he passes his medical Josh Toy would be the first one I'd take. If we can go 40 & 4 I'd snap him up earlier as a delisted player just to be sure. 20 year old 184cm HBF
As we are getting Garner and Atkins I'd pass on Petterd and grab a small forward. Anthony Tipungwuti. I was talking him up last year and he has worked hard to drop the weight this year. He's quick, agile, skilled and moves like a mini truck. So strong. 19 year old 172cm small forward.
And for rucks one of Cameron Wood/Orren Stephenson seems to be the direction the club is headed. Both ordinary but I guess Wood at least has a few years in him if he grows a heart. 25 year old 204cm ruck.
Then we have obviously added Gideon Simon. 18 year old 172cm small forward from PNG.
Would like to add Yannick Crowder to the rookie list to. 203cm ruck from USA.
Overall adding
Taylor Garner 187cm 78kg Medium Forward
Rory Atkins 186cm 81kg Midfielder/Forward
Jason Pongracic 183cm 87kg Midfielder
Matthew Dick 188cm 86kg Defender/Midfielder
Sam Lonergan 182cm 81kg Midfielder
Josh Toy 184cm 83kg HBF
Anthony Tipungwuti 172cm 74kg Small Forward
Cameron Wood 204cm 107kg Ruck
Gideon Simon 172cm 71kg Small Forward
Yannick Crowder 203cm 98kg Ruck
Best 22:
B: Dylan Grimes, Troy Chaplin, Steven Morris
HB: Chris Newman, Alex Rance, Bachar Houli
C: Brett Deledio, Trent Cotchin, Shaun Grigg
HF: Dustin Martin, Tyrone Vickery, Taylor Garner
F: Robin Nahas, Jack Riewoldt, Shane Edwards
R: Ivan Maric, Shane Tuck, Nathan Foley
INT: Reece Conca, Ben Griffiths, Brandon Ellis
SUB: Brad Helbig
Ressies:
B: Matthew Dea, Ben Darrou, Josh Toy
HB: Jake Batchelor, David Astbury, Steven Verrier
C: Chris Knights, Sam Lonergan, Brett O'Hanlon
HF: Anthony Tipungwuti, Todd Elton, Rory Atkins
F: Aaron Edwards, Tom Derickx, Jake King
R: Cameron Wood, Daniel Jackson, Jason Pongracic
OTHERS: Luke McGuane, Matthew White, Matthew Arnot, Matthew Dick, Gideon Simon, Yannick Crowder.
Just to be safe I'm going with 39 & 5 because I know we can definitely do that.
For us I'd be looking at getting the best possible player from the delisted pool and putting him on the main list. IMO looking at the list that would be Sam Lonergan from Essendon. 25 years old 182cm inside midfielder. Not all that polished but he is solid and competes hard.
Then we still have our 4 picks.
I'm so torn between Vlastuin and Garner it isn't bloody funny anymore. Every time I watch the VC vs WA game makes me want Garner on our team more and more. But then he has shoulder issues. Vlastuin on the other hand is a gun inside midfielder. They both fill a need (Vlastuin as an inside mid/Garner as that mercurial forward) I think either way I'd be happy on draft day.
In my scenario we already got Lonergan so I'm going to go Taylor Garner here. 18 years old 187cm medium forward. A young inside mid would have to be a must amongst our next mids.
Pick 32/34. I think everyone around here knows I rate Atkins very highly and I really hope we get him on draft day if available. If we don't Essendon will and I'll find it too hard to follow his career. I see him as a midfielder personally so don't think it matters that I have Garner first. 186cm mid/fwd.
Pongracic would be the inside mid I'd snap up here in this scenario. Not the same level talent as Vlas but just as hard at it. 183cm inside mid
Then it gets harder. Matthew Dick isn't one I've seen huge amounts of. So maybe Tigerbob could give me some more info. But lovely size, dashing defender with a good kick. 188cm hbf/wing.
Would leave us with 3 rookie picks.
If he passes his medical Josh Toy would be the first one I'd take. If we can go 40 & 4 I'd snap him up earlier as a delisted player just to be sure. 20 year old 184cm HBF
As we are getting Garner and Atkins I'd pass on Petterd and grab a small forward. Anthony Tipungwuti. I was talking him up last year and he has worked hard to drop the weight this year. He's quick, agile, skilled and moves like a mini truck. So strong. 19 year old 172cm small forward.
And for rucks one of Cameron Wood/Orren Stephenson seems to be the direction the club is headed. Both ordinary but I guess Wood at least has a few years in him if he grows a heart. 25 year old 204cm ruck.
Then we have obviously added Gideon Simon. 18 year old 172cm small forward from PNG.
Would like to add Yannick Crowder to the rookie list to. 203cm ruck from USA.
Overall adding
Taylor Garner 187cm 78kg Medium Forward
Rory Atkins 186cm 81kg Midfielder/Forward
Jason Pongracic 183cm 87kg Midfielder
Matthew Dick 188cm 86kg Defender/Midfielder
Sam Lonergan 182cm 81kg Midfielder
Josh Toy 184cm 83kg HBF
Anthony Tipungwuti 172cm 74kg Small Forward
Cameron Wood 204cm 107kg Ruck
Gideon Simon 172cm 71kg Small Forward
Yannick Crowder 203cm 98kg Ruck
Best 22:
B: Dylan Grimes, Troy Chaplin, Steven Morris
HB: Chris Newman, Alex Rance, Bachar Houli
C: Brett Deledio, Trent Cotchin, Shaun Grigg
HF: Dustin Martin, Tyrone Vickery, Taylor Garner
F: Robin Nahas, Jack Riewoldt, Shane Edwards
R: Ivan Maric, Shane Tuck, Nathan Foley
INT: Reece Conca, Ben Griffiths, Brandon Ellis
SUB: Brad Helbig
Ressies:
B: Matthew Dea, Ben Darrou, Josh Toy
HB: Jake Batchelor, David Astbury, Steven Verrier
C: Chris Knights, Sam Lonergan, Brett O'Hanlon
HF: Anthony Tipungwuti, Todd Elton, Rory Atkins
F: Aaron Edwards, Tom Derickx, Jake King
R: Cameron Wood, Daniel Jackson, Jason Pongracic
OTHERS: Luke McGuane, Matthew White, Matthew Arnot, Matthew Dick, Gideon Simon, Yannick Crowder.
Would rather batch than houli in starting 22
tigs2010
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Meh either way. One of them would be in the reserves and pretty handy depth with Toy and Dea.
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I thought the AFL reduced the rookie list from 6 to 4? If this is indeed the case, with the retention of Darrou & Verrier- don't we in effect only have 2 rookie picks?
BTW - Jackson demoted to the Magoos? Me like!
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All this talk about Grundy and how we should take him has me thinking back to the last time we took a ruckman in the first round. After we took him plenty complained about how we should have taken Sidebottom or Ziebell instead because Vickery wasn't delivering while these 2 we're ripping it apart. I can't help but think the same will happen if we take Grundy and Vlastuin comes in and years it up.
If Tippett is deregistered for a period, I think you can scratch any suggestion that GWS will take him in top 3.
Dees take Wines.
I would not just be scratching my head if we passed on Grundy. I'd be pissed off
Dees take Wines.
I would not just be scratching my head if we passed on Grundy. I'd be pissed off
I'd suggest you go see the quack and get some calmers , because it is looking more likely that Grundy will be available a lot later than pick 9 , which is a decision I certainly agree on .
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This is my thoughts exactly. Would love to get a copy of the VC v WA game. I really liked Garners footage in the other games.
In the end like u have said I'll be happy with either.
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This sums it up for me. We have Maric and Derickx as ruckman. Maric is a gun but Derickx looks likely to be delisted. Not to mention outside of Riewoldt & Vickery none of those big guys you name are anywhere near proven.
The last time we didn't plan a ruck takeover by picking one up early enough we got stuck with Angus Graham as our lead ruck for 3-4 years.
TBH I don't know alot about Grundy but I trust what most draft watchers on BF are saying and that is he is one of the most talented kids in the draft and he got to pick 9, I wouldn't think needs would stop us from taking him given our suvere ruck depth. Don't get me wrong I would also love a midfielder as initially the payoff would be higher and I am desperate for finals, however long term a good big guy is harder to find than a good small guy.
Once Tucky goes, we have only Conca? And people are content with only one genuine inside mid?
Look at the grand finalists from this year.
Hawks: Mitchell, Sewell, Lewis.
Swans: Kennedy, Bolton, Jack
3 legitimate inside, tough mids. I am hoping we pass on everyone who is there and snaffle up Vlas. Will be the best choice by the club IMO.
And here's hoping Helbig and Arnot can step up big time. You can never have enough tough, nuggety players.
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Sorry to say, Newman will not play in defence, anymore apart from maybe 5 - 10 minutes bursts (if the oppososition is on a roll, even then not sure).
I believe the club has also stated Newman, will play up the ground, from here on.
*Personally l belive its a great, & logicall move...
And had 3 or 4 awesome VFL games where his competitiveness, skills, hardness were showcased.
Only played one or two at the nationals, and (IIRC it's in June/July?) it was on the comeback trail. As the year wore on, he got better & better & better.
We will see.
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Rookie list is reduced by 2. So this year your rookie list was between 6 and 8 depending on how many veterans you had. Now it will be between 4 & 6. The big deal about the 4 rookies was about Geelong losing theirs. They have a full senior list of 40 so can only have 4 rookies. We only had 38 senior list this year so could have 6 rookies from what I'm told. Though we could increase our main list if we want and take less rookies.I thought the AFL reduced the rookie list from 6 to 4? If this is indeed the case, with the retention of Darrou & Verrier- don't we in effect only have 2 rookie picks?
BTW - Jackson demoted to the Magoos? Me like!
Simon & Crowder are Category B Rookies. We can have a total of 6 Category B rookies.
It will be interesting which one we go for. TBH it sounds like Vlas will be the one unless he's gone. Garner is the back-up plan I believe. That game he was best on ground. 20 disposals 3 goals and very dangerous in the air. He really could be as good as Fyfe the way he plays.
Probably and I've had him on a HFF in my best 22 before draftees but Garner has that spot in that team I've done. If Vlastuin is our pick it's like Vlas plays HBF and Newy HFF.
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Mitchell pick 36
Lewis pick 7
Sewell rookie draft
Bolton pick 8
Kennedy picks 39,40 & 70
Jack rookie draft.
So take out Bolton and Lewis and just goes to prove we need to nail our 2nd and 3rd rounders. If we don't take Vlaustin but go Pongriac with a later pick that would do. Really need to nail 32,34 & 43. 9 is a given
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If they passed on Grundy a significant portion of members could well protest by not taking up 2013 membership. Maybe extreme but wouldn't surprise me. Furthermore, passing on Grundy and making the 8 they would be still some calls from some for sackings regardless due to the lack of vision.
For mine the problem here is Melbourne were supposedly allegedly too long in focus via the tank and we seem to can't stop taking the short cuts due to stupid short term irrelevant scorecard goals
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You would have had to have taken up a membership first for that to be a worthy threat.If they passed on Grundy a significant portion of memners could well protest by not taking up 2013 membership. Maybe extreme but wouldn't surprise me. Furthermore, passing on Grundy and making the 8 they would be still some calls from some for sackings regardless due to the lack of vision.
For mine the problem here is Melbourne were supposedly allegedly to log vision via the tank and we seem to can't stop taking the short cuts due to stupid shot term irrelevant scorecard goals
Edit: I reckon 52,500 of our members at a bare minimum wouldn't even know who Brodie Grundy is.
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pointless for mine because the jury is still out on all three to a degree although sideottom has been very serviceable. Vickery could still be the but the comparison is apples and oranges to me.
What concerns me is this push we will not take Gundy at 9 no matter what which just makes one face palm all over again, same shit different day when most is looking for light at the end of the recruiting tunnel!!
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