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Damo80 said:
Fact is, the club has a number of full time recruiters, who watch these kids years out from being eligible for the draft. If we stop and think about this for a minute, I'm sure all of us (apart from Mr Magic) could admit that we couldn't possibly know the players better than the club.

So, when you strip it back, I think the issue is that we either don't understand, or don't agree with the recruiting strategy/criteria of the club. If Vlastuin is our man, while some may think there are more talented players on the board, we have to consider that the club knows, or takes into consideration factors we are not privvy to. Obviously our much talked about three pillars policy springs to mind, in particular character, which most of us would not be good judges of, no matter how many U18 highlights we've watched.

Just one final point on Vlas. Anyone stopped to consider the fact that he was very highly rated (top 3 by some, and certainly higher than mid teens by most AFAIK) a year ago. Then, after having an injury interrupted season, having to play out of his preferred position, and no doubt setting him back in some of the areas that are now considered areas of concern (speed, stamina), he's slid down the rankings somewhat? Anyone considered that if our recruiters watched more than just his 2012 games/highlights, they might realise he has the potential, with a full recovery from this year's injury issues, and a good preseason or two, that he might just get back to 2011 form, upon which he was so highly rated? Just throwing it out there!
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yeah yeah but....

TV hasn't made it yet, nor has Conca, Ellis will be serviceable, don't mind Dea and we overlooked Grimes initially.

Fact is the jury is still out, I like Griffiths ( but that aws a risky pick:thumbsu:) I think though the recruitment of our middle size players hasn't been crash hot. Surprised if Arnot makes it. It is not who you are but what you do and your track record. Your job profile means diddly, if you cannot hit the picks!!:cool:.

I agree though there is an apparent issue regarding the strategy mix in terms of balance and for the middle size players not enough X factor. Don't mind the Ellis pick though because no real standouts around there, even Conca was kinda plausible because the Essendon guy is no world beater, but for me Vlas is a very good player however this draft has depth and there simply are better picks with more upside for me. Particularly when you can get a simllar Vlas type in future years. Makes no sense to me and sets us back and possible ruins our premiership chances regarding windows(you gotta give yourself every chance to touch the skyIMO)


The bottom line for me is this- If you cannot get a similar player like Vlas or better in the next 4 years via the draft/free agency or maybe trade get him. The thing is I cannot see how you couldn't get another Vlas in next few means so for me why is 2012 so special. Just don't like the strategy at all!!! It is not!!! the percentage play for me.
 
capitano_totti said:
We have been linked to Vlastuin and only Vlastuin.
If he was as good as we think he is, wouldn't some other clubs also be in the mix to nab him?
I get the feeling that if we DON'T pick him up, he may slide a long way down the order.
Don't really know what to make of it.
Maybe other clubs aren't rating our recruiting.
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M_R has already said some clubs have him rated top 5. We may just be in luck that none of those clubs have a pick before us.
 
Mr Magic said:
yeah yeah but....

TV hasn't made it yet, nor has Conca, Ellis will be serviceable, don't mind Dea and we overlooked Grimes initially.

Fact is the jury is still out, I like Griffiths ( but that aws a risky pick:thumbsu:) I think though the recruitment of our middle size players hasn't been crash hot. Surprised if Arnot makes it. It is not who you are but what you do and your track record. Your job profile means diddly, if you cannot hit the picks!!:cool:
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So did Stephen Wells and every other recruiter.
 

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CoggaRules said:
read somewhere that our draft position has the scum at the lexus center sweating in terms of picking up a young ruckman in the 2nd round...anyone have any goss on this Spencer White?
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We are interested for our 2nd rounders, ive been a fan for a while in wanting White he has the attributes to be a star huge upside, really hope we grab him....as much the pies are thinking of getting him at pic 20 dont think they'll roll the dice so early...

Heres a vid of the next Buddy (had to throw that in :D)
Spencer White

 
THE_GUN said:
OK this question keeps getting asked and nobody has bothered to answer it and the people who continue to ask it are starting to believe that we dont know what it is -------------- But ofcourse everybody does know what is meant by the term.

Unpredictable Game changing ability,Sometimes against all odds ------ X FACTOR
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can yo name 3 potential draftees who may be a at our pick 9 who display these traits cheers
 
ok one for the memory bank...i see alot of posts here suggesting Vlastuin has been linked to us etc etc etc....
Going back to last year, can anyone remember who was in the same boat and was there anything about Conca, before we read out his name?
 
tigs2010 said:
Spencer White is a monster. Long way to go with him though. Will he ever get his endurance up to the level.
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Agree he will take time but his upside is what excites me most....i see him more as a deep power forward, within an AFL environment sure he'll improve his endurance but not sure he will be running high half fwd/wing chasing possessions then again depends on the programs Peter Burge has for him....
 
AstuteTiger said:
We are interested for our 2nd rounders, ive been a fan for a while in wanting White he has the attributes to be a star huge upside, really hope we grab him....as much the pies are thinking of getting him at pic 20 dont think they'll roll the dice so early...

Heres a vid of the next Buddy (had to throw that in :D)
Spencer White

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yep...although only highlights looks the goods..
 
CoggaRules said:
ok one for the memory bank...i see alot of posts here suggesting Vlastuin has been linked to us etc etc etc....
Going back to last year, can anyone remember who was in the same boat and was there anything about Conca, before we read out his name?
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I'm pretty sure we were widely expected to take Polec until only a couple of days before the draft.
Last year there were a fair few names mentioned and I'm confident that the night before the draft we were tipped to take Kersten, who ended up at Geelong.
 
_RT_ said:
His twitter conversation merely mentioned that he doesn't have Foxtel, not that he isn't attending the draft.
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He hash tagged "notsolucky" & "nofoxtel"

But apperantly Emma Q said his going.
 

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CoggaRules said:
ok one for the memory bank...i see alot of posts here suggesting Vlastuin has been linked to us etc etc etc....
Going back to last year, can anyone remember who was in the same boat and was there anything about Conca, before we read out his name?
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Yep for our last 3 years worth of picks.
 
CoggaRules said:
ok one for the memory bank...i see alot of posts here suggesting Vlastuin has been linked to us etc etc etc....
Going back to last year, can anyone remember who was in the same boat and was there anything about Conca, before we read out his name?
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Quayle was very very confident (like >95%) about Ellis. And Conca. And, now, Vlastuin.
 
CoggaRules said:
ok one for the memory bank...i see alot of posts here suggesting Vlastuin has been linked to us etc etc etc....
Going back to last year, can anyone remember who was in the same boat and was there anything about Conca, before we read out his name?
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Conca's name popped up in the last few days. Remember the video that popped up with highlights morning of the draft?? This Vlastuin love fest has been going on for weeks!
 

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amcre said:
Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Foley, Conca, Ellis, Grigg, Jackson, Vlastuin, Knights

WHAT A MIDFIELD....i think x factor is a load of crap but would suggest Cotch/Lids/Martin are those excitement type players who will win you games.
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Agree, and our x-factor players don't go missing for weeks on end, which I've seen posted on here some are happy to take. A guy who shows up for 5 minutes 1 week and doesn't matter if he doesn't touch it for a month. bewildering.
 
Mr Magic said:
Just don't like the strategy at all!!! It is not!!! the percentage play for me.
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How is taking the solid Hayes/Hodge type over the flashy Stevie J type (with reportedly dodgy knees) not a percentage play??

I can't understand why people are advocating picks like that as though we've been drafting solid citizens for years. 2 drafts! Conca, Ellis. Who was before that? Oh yeah Dusty!

Fact is, this draft will make or break us. We've got the cream, we need the crop. Vlas is a safe bet, but you want to risk pick 9 on a player with dodgy knees or a broken leg or attitude problems? How is that playing the percentages?
 
tigs2010 said:
Agree, and our x-factor players don't go missing for weeks on end, which I've seen posted on here some are happy to take. A guy who shows up for 5 minutes 1 week and doesn't matter if he doesn't touch it for a month. bewildering.
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No need for your sig Tigs, I'm going to like your posts anyway.
 
I'm more interested in picks 31,33 and 42. With 3 picks within 12 spots I think we can take a "risk" with one of these e.g. Garlett, White. Can't wait
 
deanbigfooty said:
No need for your sig Tigs, I'm going to like your posts anyway.
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Hahaha good stuff.

SumTingWong said:
I'm more interested in picks 31,33 and 42. With 3 picks within 12 spots I think we can take a "risk" with one of these e.g. Garlett, White. Can't wait
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If we took Garlett it would be amazing if Choco could sort him out.
 
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