Injury 2012 injury updates

[catman 71]

Because when that approximation turns out to be wrong there'll be a load of supporters whining about how terrible the medical staff are?

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But if the medical staff were to approximate that a player's injury is much longer than it turns out to be, supporters won't care that the medical staff got it wrong. They will be happy to have the player back sooner.

Why don't the medical staff err on the side of cynicism and conservatism when it comes to injuries?

 

[JUBJUB]

I'm getting jacked of how long it is taking for Varcoe, Simpson, etc to come back. I'm losing patience, and would rather we bring back these guys even 90% fit, then not play them at all. We need them if we are to get up the ladder.

Good lord the nuffies have come out in the last 48 hours

 

[catman 71]

We have a few losses and this board goes into melt down.
Some people just need to calm down and realise that flags aren't won in May..

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The flag won't be won in September either if we can't get our best 22 on the park and firing!

 

[thejester]

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But if the medical staff were to approximate that a player's injury is much longer than it turns out to be, supporters won't care that the medical staff got it wrong. They will be happy to have the player back sooner.

Why don't the medical staff err on the side of cynicism and conservatism when it comes to injuries?

Mate you've just had one supporter crack the shits because of what is clearly a conservative estimation (ie 'indefinite').

 

[topic97]

Good lord the nuffies have come out in the last 48 hours

Yeah I think a chill pill needs to be taken by all.
We all whipped ourselves into a frenzy at this point last year too saying that we were too far behind the Pies and look what happend?!

Its only round 7 not round 15......

 

[ATSAM]

According to someone on K-Rock on Sat Dawson Simpson will play VFL next week. Make of it what you will

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

According to someone on K-Rock on Sat Dawson Simpson will play VFL next week. Make of it what you will

If this is true it's the best news we've had all week. We need a foil for West ASAP. (form wise of course)

He's out for the season according to the injury list (indefinite)

 

[AM]

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Then, if Balme doesn't want to answer the question about injuries, don't do the radio spot then.

But he does answer the questions. Just not always with precise accuracy.

No matter who did it you'd get the same result. Balmy generally handles the media side of his job pretty well. All the clubs play fast and loose with injuries and resting players.

 

[David the Cat]

If this is true it's the best news we've had all week. We need a foil for West ASAP. (form wise of course)

He's out for the season according to the injury list (indefinite)

indefinite doesn't mean " out for the season "

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

indefinite doesn't mean " out for the season "

When the club states "indefinite" i interpret that as out for the season.

It's a word that should not exist on an injury list.

 

[kriso182]

It's a word that should not exist on an injury list.

Yeah agree, translates to we have no idea when this bloke will be back!

Will be great if Dawson could play a quarter or two next week.

 

[thejester]

When the club states "indefinite" i interpret that as out for the season.

It's a word that should not exist on an injury list.

It means they don't know how long they'll be out for. Medical science isn't exact, and all the players listed as indefinite have tricky injuries. I'm not a doctor but I'd wager that the 'indefinite' tag has been applied in these cases because it's unclear how the player (more accurately the injury) will respond to the next stage of treatment.

 

[Belisarius]

Would be great if Dawson is back soon in the VFL, then we get Wojo back in the next few weeks, then Varcoe back (he seems to have taken forever to get back) and then Menzel in another month or so. Then they announce Vardy is right to go for next season.

We need some good news presently. Any good news will do.

Obviously we will be a stronger side with these players pushing for selection - and we just need to play a bit stronger and show some of the old Geelong we have got used to in the last 5 seasons.

We are down on personnel presently - add Scarlett, Bartel, Wojo, Varcoe and Menzel - and the side looks pretty good on paper.

I think Motlop will be a better small forward than Stokes - and THunt will be a solid player for us. So we have a pretty good side still for the 2012 season.

We just need to get some personnel back and some hunger and form.

No garauntee that we will win all the time and be the dominant force we were - but we are certainly a better side than we are presently playing IMO.

Seems like we have lost the enjoyment of playing and being a bit free wheeling - some flair missing. Perhaps if we get back some flair and enjoyment in the game and forget the result - we may get back on track.

We have been hunted far too long and I think it has taken a toll.

There are a number of reasons why we are not performing as well as supporters would like - and these are only a few. Premiership coaches keep saying so much has to go right to win a Premiership - and we have had a few things not go so well thus far.

A change on the injury front would be a good first step to helping us get back on track for the season.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

It means they don't know how long they'll be out for. Medical science isn't exact, and all the players listed as indefinite have tricky injuries. I'm not a doctor but I'd wager that the 'indefinite' tag has been applied in these cases because it's unclear how the player (more accurately the injury) will respond to the next stage of treatment.

You make a valid point tj, it just frustrates the crap out of me not knowing an approximation of when players will be back. Probably an overreaction on my behalf.

 

[Vdubs]

It means they don't know how long they'll be out for. Medical science isn't exact, and all the players listed as indefinite have tricky injuries. I'm not a doctor but I'd wager that the 'indefinite' tag has been applied in these cases because it's unclear how the player (more accurately the injury) will respond to the next stage of treatment.

Exactly, the term is used because there are too many variables to be DEFINITE about an EXACT return date, and we know how insistent media and BF folk are about such matters. Wouldn't want such things to bite you on the bum. Specially injuries like back surgery, repeat hammies, stress fractures that require surgery.

Club docs are great, but not God.

 

[Vdubs]

You make a valid point tj, it just frustrates the crap out of me not knowing an approximation of when players will be back. Probably an overreaction on my behalf.

frustrates all of us, including the club docs, believe me.

As Dave said, indefinite does not = out for the season. When a player is out for the season, you'll read "season". Indefinite could be 1 week to 8 weeks, such is the nature of the human response to some injuries and surgery. Lingy was amazing at returning from injuries, always ahead of what would have been predicted; others are the opposite, for numerous reasons, but they are all human, lest we not forget. A mate's wife tore her calf and she's had 4 weeks off work, and at 8 weeks is still struggling.An AFL player would be back playing in under 3 weeks. Amazing stuff.

 

[Roadie]

Varcoe was 'indefinite' only a week or two ago FWIW.

 

[thejester]

You make a valid point tj, it just frustrates the crap out of me not knowing an approximation of when players will be back. Probably an overreaction on my behalf.

It is frustrating but at least they're mentioned; my major beef was and is that fringe players simply don't get mentioned. Had no idea where McCarthy was during the NAB Cup and early rounds and Cowan's absence has only just been cleared up.

 

[meto]

How do you read any sense into what comes from the club, I'd rather not know what they say, especially anything from Balme.

 

[winty]

According to the injury list in the Addy this morning, Varcoe was listed as 3-5 weeks, while Menzel was listed at 1-2 weeks if I remember correctly.

 

[marshhhhh]

while Menzel was listed at 1-2 weeks if I remember correctly.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

According to the injury list in the Addy this morning, Varcoe was listed as 3-5 weeks, while Menzel was listed at 1-2 weeks if I remember correctly.

I think it's the other way around considering Scott says Varcoe should be back before the bye and Menzel in the second half of the year.

Varcoe is still recovering from the foot injury he suffered during the pre-season.

"We're expecting him to play before the bye [in round 12], which is good news," Scott said.

"His recovery has been a little bit slower than we would've liked, but he hasn't had any setbacks per se.

"He has been able to do a lot of running, so we don't envisage him having to play too much VFL footy before he comes back to senior footy."

Daniel Menzel, who is on the comeback trail after needing a knee reconstruction during last year's finals series, is another player the reigning premiers would dearly love to have available.

Menzel is unlikely to line up in an AFL game until the second half of the season.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The key word re Menzel is 'afl game'. Of course we won't see him until later as he'll need at least a month in the vfl, but he's on track to play vfl before the afl bye. Whereas Scott seems to be suggesting Varcoe will only need a couple of games in the vfl at most.

 

[Vdubs]

How the hell does someone like Travis Varcoe get a long-term injury, before the season even started?

I can understand getting injuries during the season, but it is up to the medical staff to ensure that every player on the list is cherry ripe to go at Round 1 each year.

Varcoe didn't seem like he copped an injury in the Grand Final last year, (and he certainly didn't play like an injured man in the GF), so how could he be out for so long? What did he do between seasons that injured him?

I'm getting jacked of how long it is taking for Varcoe, Simpson, etc to come back. I'm losing patience, and would rather we bring back these guys even 90% fit, then not play them at all. We need them if we are to get up the ladder.

Sometimes I wonder if some of these medical teams at AFL clubs get their degree out of a cornflakes packet. They should be monitoring these players, and ensuring they don't get injured. They get so antsy if players even have goal-kicking practice at training, yet can't seem to get players back on the park after one or two weeks. They are obviously in no hurry to rush these players back.

I'm also not happy about how hard it is to find answers about when players are coming back. They don't print injury lists in the paper, and you need a stupid digital pass to access the H-S website to fnd it. Neil Balme also tells us nothing on "Hungry For Sport" on SEN. Maybe I should assume that these injured players (Varcoe, Simpson, etc ) are out for the season, and not get my hopes up.

It probably started back in 2011, he has a classical overuse stress fracture of the fifth metatarsal base, nasty injury which can take ages to heal without a screw fixation. His elite running last year, then preseason, is the cause. Any biomechanics/ gait related stuff will have been attended to. The club medicos are onto this injury ASAP, and TV has had the ultimate treatment. Now it's down to healing. And if the screw needs to be removed, that can delay progress. Not sure if that's happened here though.

We do not ever want to see a hasty return to play before the foot is ready. TV is my equal favourite at Geelong, and I too look forward to his return, BUT patience here is critical. Just remember, this medical team helped our guys peak at the right time 2011, 2009, and 2007, and they know what to do now. We never again want to see an Egan situation.

And DS had back surgery, pretty serious stuff, he will be back when he's ready. If those 2 were not to return this year, at least they'll be fired up for 2013. But they will be back this year.

 

[footscore]

stress fracture of the fifth metatarsal base

not to mention every foot is different and recovery/rehabilitation times vary especially in high performance athletes such as TV.