Discussion 2012 List Management: De-Listings, Trades, Drafting & Free Agency

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Interesting to read AT say Andreoli would have been promoted this year. That's a pretty big wrap.
When i chatted to Cripps at B&F he thought if he didn't get injured he probably would have aswell. But he is roommates with Warrick so maybe little biased!

But yea I had him as our best performed rookie up until his injury. Was more consistent then other guys.
 

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Difficult to see how he gets games with Gram, Dempster, Geary and Newnes (and now Siposs and Dunell) in defence.

If we are keeping Curren, Ferguson and Dunell - and noting Watters seems to like Minchington as a future player - there will surely be some tough calls with a shrinking rookie list.

The other issue is Watters wants the team to be more attacking. Although Wozza did progress this year beyond being just a stopper (had solid possession numbers before getting injured), and is a reliable kick along with a bit of toe.
 

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How did they look, Benchy?

Just found this write up on Tom Lee, too (from BF's "Official 2011 Phantom Draft"), which is interesting, particularly the Simon McPhee part. Wonder if we'll try to get GWS to pre-list him for us this year, after he apparently "exploded" up forward for Claremont this season (58 goals in his last 14 games for them, including 6 goals and BOG in their final last week, plus 6 goals and BOG in the Foxtel Cup final)?

Could do a lot, lot worse, I reckon, especially if we can get him for a bag of chips, like we did with Saad and Milera last year. Some are tipping him to go as high as first round, if he enters the draft this year. Sounds like he'd be absolutely ideal to groom to eventually replace Roo.:

Pick : 68. St Kilda.,

Tom Lee. Claremont. 194 cm 94 kg. 02.01.91

Being a Claremont Member I have seen quite a lot of Tommy over the years, I have seen his up and downs with achievements and disappointments.

Tom was first drafted by Adelaide in 2008 with pick 60. At that point in time Tom was only just 190.5 cm had still had some puppy fat to shed, things didn't work out for him in he City of Churches and he was sent packing at the end of 2009. The words was that the application may not have been up to the standard required.

Now to Tom's credit he returned to Claremont and under the tutelage of Simon McPhee ( Now the newly appointed development coach at St Kilda ) he started to rekindle his football future. In 2010 he managed to impress enough to get 5 senior games. But he also grew to 194 cm, a genuine KPP height and stacked on 8 kg of grunt. Some times with kids there is a delay between them growing and then becoming comfortable in their new bodies.

Tom knuckled down and put in the effort on the training track and his work ethic and attitude could not be faulted this season.

Tom played a variety of positions in 2011 ( A premership year by the way ), due to team balance as a result of Claremonts injuries. Tom played in every key position as well as a 5 week stint in the ruck when the Claremont ruck stocks were thin.

Obviously when at 194 cm you are rucking against seasoned taller ruckman with AFL experience , the likes of Jonathon Griffiths, Michael Rix and Jamie Graham then you need to hurt the bigger ruckman around the ground.

Unlike the AFL at WAFL you can go on to the grounds at 1/4 and 3/4 time and listen to the huddle. Simon Mcphee coached Tommy very well and just encouraged him to run his arse off and hurt the opposition ruckmen in general play.

Latter in the season when Tommy was not required to lead the ruck he alternated between CHB and CHF and did well in both.

So what's he like as a player. He is very quick for a bloke his size, I will stand corrected but I believe he recorded a sub 3.0 for the sprint at the state screening. He also has a terrific leap and hits the ground running. He is quick he is agile is strong in the air and has a long kick on him. I suspect he will be a defender at the next level.

He thoroughly deserves a second chance and I believe that the appointment of Simon McPhee at St Kilda may just help Tommy's cause.

Would like to see him be rewarded with being on an AFL list next year but would also love to see him run around with Claremont in 2012.
 

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Great game (Werribee v Geelong). Watched on fast forward to have a look at Hartigan, but ended up a thriller (arguably McKinley should have got a free with 15 seconds to go for a shot on goal to win - after Weribee had stormed home with 4 in a row).

Majak Daw had a massive last 15 minutes, although from what I can gather he'd been ordinary until then - and Pedersen (is he on North's list or not? Seems fairly mobile for 100kg) took ruck duties and was doing well until he kicked horribly across ground which cost a goal.

Hartigan seemed OK, although Walker did beat him a few times. Didn't really go for any marks (spoiled 4-5 times that I saw), and didn't really look to get off his opponent. Mobile and strong enough at his height to be decent backup, but Watters is looking for a best 22 player (as opposed to a ruckman, where backup would be OK).
 
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If you're desperately bored you can switch on the VFL and watch Kyle Hartigan (and Pederson too).
Pederson was awesome but didnt rate Hartigan. Tell you what though, ive never been fan of Majak Daw but WOW he just arrived as an AFL player. That kid has some serious talent. Can take contested mark and kick it 60m. Also extremely athletic for his size and seems very handy ruckman. Wonder if we could somehow get him :confused:;)
 

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Whyyyyy did I stop watching that game halfway through the fourth quarter? I've always liked Majak (might be a biased cause he went to my high school) and looks like I missed a performance. Didn't take much notice of Hartigan though, how'd he go?
 
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/exp...t-for-a-defender/story-fndjdrxt-1226474856277

Melbourne clubs aware Josh Caddy is on the open market are having a tough time working out how much he is worth.

Several have looked at the Gold Coast's best-and-fairest result, where he placed 17th despite playing every game this year.

In Round 23 he won just three possessions, but his 15 goals and 334 possessions - and exceptional character - means Geelong leads the race from Melbourne, with the Suns not interested in what Essendon could offer in a player swap.
People who have seen more than me of caddy rate him pretty high but i just don't feel this is the draft to trade away pick 12. If we were getting caddy and Hickey, then maybe, but while the small chance of getting stringer remains, or even Mayes, i'd hate to toss it in the ring for caddy....17th in the B&F at a young club from from a fairly mature body.......hmmm.............but happy to be convinced of his quality from others who have seen more. Contested ball? Kicking skills?
 
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/caddy-packing-his-bags.972035/

Bit of info on Caddy in here.

Most seem to rate, apparently has been injured a bit this year. And that's the reason he did poorly in the B&F. Also did very well in the last few games he wasn't injured according to some.

Decent read anyway and most seem to think a 10-15 pick will get the deal done.
 

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Where would we be drafting Daw to play, he's 195cm?
No idea. He was a headless chook as a forward, and Werribee only had 18 hitouts to 3/4 time (Pedersen would have had some of these).

He's got fantastic mobility, and plays as an extra mid. But he got beaten around the ground in the ruck (by both Stephenson, who kicked 2 goals, and Dawson Simpson). If you let the opposing ruckman get the hitout, the opportunity to get the ball at ground level might not be as great in the AFL.

Great last quarter though, and he's got upside. I note a post on BF indicating he's contracted for next year.
 

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Contested ball is regarded as Caddy's big strength (described as "like a bulldozer" in the packs, with his big body and aggressive attack on the ball) and his kicking is supposedly pretty booming, although it might be a bit more like Grammy's, rather than Siposs', or Goddards, perhaps. Also has a reputation of being very good in the air for his size and has a good ability to go forward and kick goals. Sounds a lot like Jimmy Bartel, really, as far as his playing style and size goes.

I've heard that the reports that we are going hard for him might not be on the mark though, which is understandable, given we already have Armo, Jack, Ledger and Ross playing/coming through. We have greater priorities at the moment, as nice as it would probably be to get him.

His coming 17th in the B&F might also have something to do with where he was played (as well as the fact he was carrying a shoulder injury). Has anyone heard if he was played on the ball, in his preferred position, or was he played out of his comfort zone?
 
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/caddy-packing-his-bags.972035/

Bit of info on Caddy in here.

Most seem to rate, apparently has been injured a bit this year. And that's the reason he did poorly in the B&F. Also did very well in the last few games he wasn't injured according to some.

Decent read anyway and most seem to think a 10-15 pick will get the deal done.
Ok cheers, think he was well liked and wanted there at GC if they are arguing about him! Should have said that i knew he played injured this year, McKenna made sure the word got out, and if the kid wants to come home to his dad then i hope he does, even if not with us.

Pick 12 still seems high...even though he went what pick 7, 8 in his draft, gee whiz, Bj's decision will send the dominoes falling all through the game!
 
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People who have seen more than me of caddy rate him pretty high but i just don't feel this is the draft to trade away pick 12. If we were getting caddy and Hickey, then maybe, but while the small chance of getting stringer remains, or even Mayes, i'd hate to toss it in the ring for caddy....17th in the B&F at a young club from from a fairly mature body.......hmmm.............but happy to be convinced of his quality from others who have seen more. Contested ball? Kicking skills?

Gold Coast's unique problem in trading and drafting, is that they have to drop the total numbers of their list, as they have had a larger list, due to being a development team. So if they have to drop numbers, plus still have to pick three new players in the draft, a number of solutions that have been put forward by other clubs won't suit their circumstances.

Therefore they may be open to deals that take Caddy and Hickey for a draft pick. Or Caddy and Hickey for our first pick, plus a change of picking order for another.

If BJ is to go, we may in fact be able to pick both of these players up and still have either our pick 12 or pick 13 left, depending on which one we traded to the Gold Coast. Lots of options.
 
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Contested ball is regarded as Caddy's big strength (described as "like a bulldozer" in the packs, with his big body and aggressive attack on the ball) and his kicking is supposedly pretty booming, although it might be a bit more like Grammy's, rather than Siposs', or Goddards, perhaps. Also has a reputation of being very good in the air for his size and has a good ability to go forward and kick goals. Sounds a lot like Jimmy Bartel, really, as far as his playing style and size goes.

I've heard that the reports that we are going hard for him might not be on the mark though, which is understandable, given we already have Armo, Jack, Ledger and Ross playing/coming through. We have greater priorities at the moment, as nice as it would probably be to get him.

His coming 17th in the B&F might also have something to do with where he was played. Has anyone heard if he was played on the ball, in his preferred position, or was he played out of his comfort zone?
Does sound like Jimmy B indeed, need to ask would we take Bartel at 12 this year????!!!!!!...sadly we could have had Bartel before X....sorry X, you could have been a star too.
 

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If Goddard leaves we should secure Caddy. Perhaps we could get Toy and Caddy for pick 12? We would still have 1 pick inside the 1st round, our compensation pick. I see this as a win win for St Kilda. Goddard's loss could be covered by Arryn Siposs. Siposs has played in many positions this year.
 

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Where would we be drafting Daw to play, he's 195cm?
He's got a massive leap on him, but not sure how much that would help against giant AFL ruckmen. Could do some serious damage around the ground though as there wouldn't be any ruckmen that would be able to keep up with him except for Nic Nat.

IMO he should've been developed as a forward only but has played mostly in the ruck and in strange roles. When Sandy went down to Werribee he pushed back to be the spare man in defence which worked for Werribee as we got smashed but does nothing for his development. (Again it goes back to the standalone vs alignment debate but that's not for this thread)

With Petrie, Tarrant and Hansen up forward and Goldy being the one-out ruckmen it's hard to see him getting a game for North any time soon, but the hype on him is huge so it probably wouldn't be worth the cost it would take to get him.
 
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