Discussion 2012 List Management: De-Listings, Trades, Drafting & Free Agency

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Difficult to see how he gets games with Gram, Dempster, Geary and Newnes (and now Siposs and Dunell) in defence.

If we are keeping Curren, Ferguson and Dunell - and noting Watters seems to like Minchington as a future player - there will surely be some tough calls with a shrinking rookie list.

The other issue is Watters wants the team to be more attacking. Although Wozza did progress this year beyond being just a stopper (had solid possession numbers before getting injured), and is a reliable kick along with a bit of toe.
Just on those small to medium backs, is Gram one that we may look to off load? I think he is one we should look to move
 

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That was my thoughts but I've come around after the last two rounds, Gram still holds a lot of value to us
He did finish the season well, but if there is one area we seem to have depth it's there. Hopefully his last 2 games added some value to what we could get via trade. I certainly think we should look at our options around him. Schneider also
 
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He's got a massive leap on him, but not sure how much that would help against giant AFL ruckmen. Could do some serious damage around the ground though as there wouldn't be any ruckmen that would be able to keep up with him except for Nic Nat.

IMO he should've been developed as a forward only but has played mostly in the ruck and in strange roles. When Sandy went down to Werribee he pushed back to be the spare man in defence which worked for Werribee as we got smashed but does nothing for his development. (Again it goes back to the standalone vs alignment debate but that's not for this thread)

With Petrie, Tarrant and Hansen up forward and Goldy being the one-out ruckmen it's hard to see him getting a game for North any time soon, but the hype on him is huge so it probably wouldn't be worth the cost it would take to get him.
So you dont rate Rhys as a ruck?
 

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Don't know if this has been spoken about or mentioned in here but there has been a big rumor over the last week from what I've seen and heard on SEN that the saints have put a deal on the table for Robbie Warnock from the Blues and he is almost certain to be a saint next year.

Good or Bad move ?
 

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You just can't have more than one #1 only-ruck ruckmen on your list if more than 1 of them are not developing.

McEvoy can pinch-hit forward at a pinch, but that role is currently more suited to Kosi and Stanley, and I certainly think he couldn't play the majority of his time there. Warnock would have the same problem.

I know we need depth in the ruck, but it either has to be by bringing in a youngster, or someone who can play most of their time elsewhere.
 

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first post on big footy been doing a heap of reading today and love hearing what other saints fans have to say.
not real keen on Warnock would like to see the saints make a play for McKernan(adel) or Trengove(port) both very versatile can play ruck fwd and back and both 21
 

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As I've said previously, I don't see the point of having both he and McEvoy on the list, as neither one is really that well suited to playing forward. Hope we don't do it.
I agree. If we have Warnock and want to play him there is no point having and playing McEvoy.
We will not be going back to the olden days of 2 Ruckmen rotating off the bench.
We especially will not have McEvoy and Warnock in the team together if we end up with players like Stanley and Lever up either end.
So we'd end up paying good money for either Warnock or McEvoy to play for Sandringham. Idiocy comes to mind.

Warnock at Age / McEvoy at age*. Games/Average Hitouts/disposals
18 , 0/0/0 1/0/6
19 , 0/0/0 11/8/7
20 , 12/10/10 19/11/10
21 , 9/8/11 22/23/14
22, 12/18/10 16/25/12
23, 20/30/11
24, 5/32/7
* Macca's age at start of season, birthday in July.

Do not want lumbering spud who stands in the middle and taps it, then wanders round until the next stoppage.
Macca had an interrupted season this year. I'm backing him to move it to the next level next year.
Warnock would be OK as a backup if we didn't have to pay him much. But I couldn't see that being the case.
 
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first post on big footy been doing a heap of reading today and love hearing what other saints fans have to say.
not real keen on Warnock would like to see the saints make a play for McKernan(adel) or Trengove(port) both very versatile can play ruck fwd and back and both 21
I like Trengove, but is there any indication that he'd want to leave or that Port would want to trade him.
I sort of hoped we'd get him in 2008. Probably they thought he wasnt worth a first rounder , but we got Lynch.
 
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You just can't have more than one #1 only-ruck ruckmen on your list if more than 1 of them are not developing.

McEvoy can pinch-hit forward at a pinch, but that role is currently more suited to Kosi and Stanley, and I certainly think he couldn't play the majority of his time there. Warnock would have the same problem.

I know we need depth in the ruck, but it either has to be by bringing in a youngster, or someone who can play most of their time elsewhere.
Macca for full back. ( Just kidding , but he does OK when he goes back there compared to a lot of other rucks ).
 

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If we were to get warnock ( i really hope we don't), could McEvoy play as a Key Back at times
doubt it,you are onto something though. key forward/pinch hit ruck would have to be the toughest position on the ground in footy atm, if your not getting hammered by a loose man in defence your wrestling another ruck and running the length of the ground. leigh brown was so good at it because he rested in the back line and when you have numbers behind the ball your gonna get a chop out especially with our quality back men the saints have thats why i suggested mckernan and trengrove
 

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with so many small/medium backman (Gram, Raph, Dempster, Geary, Newnes, Cripps, Dunell, Andreoli(rookie), Winmar and possibly Siposs) I think we should be trading Gram and Raph while they still have value and trying to trade Winmar?

11 small/medium backs is way too many backs and you could add the likes of Gwilt/Gilbert even Goddard to the list. So we really need to get rid of at least 2 of them!!
 
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first post on big footy been doing a heap of reading today and love hearing what other saints fans have to say.
not real keen on Warnock would like to see the saints make a play for McKernan(adel) or Trengove(port) both very versatile can play ruck fwd and back and both 21
Welcome adambrown
 

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with so many small/medium backman (Gram, Raph, Dempster, Geary, Newnes, Cripps, Dunell, Andreoli(rookie), Winmar and possibly Siposs) I think we should be trading Gram and Raph while they still have value and trying to trade Winmar?

11 small/medium backs is way too many backs and you could add the likes of Gwilt/Gilbert even Goddard to the list. So we really need to get rid of at least 2 of them!!
Bang Bang..
A package of Grammy & Raph would be ideal for either the Suns or GWS, in return we could bolster our list with either a second round pick, player such as Giles or both a pick & player..
Using the Hawks of four or five years ago as a guide, Pelchen has a knack for pulling a beneficial trade..to both clubs..

We wouldn't miss Raph, & with Grammy pushing 29..??
 

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with so many small/medium backman (Gram, Raph, Dempster, Geary, Newnes, Cripps, Dunell, Andreoli(rookie), Winmar and possibly Siposs) I think we should be trading Gram and Raph while they still have value and trying to trade Winmar?

11 small/medium backs is way too many backs and you could add the likes of Gwilt/Gilbert even Goddard to the list. So we really need to get rid of at least 2 of them!!
Siposs and Dunell being able to play back certainly adds another dimension.

I'm a fan of Gram, but don't doubt there will be some action from the Saints during trade week (regardless of whether something happens with BJ).

Whilst loyalty is important (as it should be at this club), I don't think we could hope to scam another draft like Saad, Milera, Ross, Markworth, Newnes, Wilkes and Dunell. We still have plenty of work to do with the list, and Pelchen should have pretty clear ideas of how to do this - and look after the future as well as 2013.

If opportunities are going to change for certain players in 2013, they would probably be agreeable to a move (to a club that has more opportunity).
 
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Siposs and Dunell being able to play back certainly adds another dimension.

I'm a fan of Gram, but don't doubt there will be some action from the Saints during trade week (regardless of whether something happens with BJ).

Whilst loyalty is important (as it should be at this club), I don't think we could hope to scam another draft like Saad, Milera, Ross, Markworth, Newnes, Wilkes and Dunell. We still have plenty of work to do with the list, and Pelchen should have pretty clear ideas of how to do this - and look after the future as well as 2013.

If opportunities are going to change for certain players in 2013, they would probably be agreeable to a move (to a club that has more opportunity).
Doubt anyone would want Gram. Only club possibly GWS because of his age. Wasn't he up for trade last year to but the coach said he wants to keep Gram? i still think gram has a spot in the side personally.
 

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Doubt anyone would want Gram. Only club possibly GWS because of his age. Wasn't he up for trade last year to but the coach said he wants to keep Gram? i still think gram has a spot in the side personally.
Same age as Moloney and similar to Rivers. Although I wasn't saying Grammy would be the one, there was interest in him last year (Carlton and North - both of whom will be looking to do something you'd think this year) - with his contract spooking them. Not sure whether this is an issue now.

I just can't help feeling that Pelchen isn't sitting on top of the football department tree (above Watters) to scratch his backside.
 

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A few had expressed interest in this guy (update):

http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/br...ns-yet-to-resign-afl-deal-20120917-2628i.html

West Coast are confident veteran forward Quinten Lynch will re-sign with the AFL club, but midfielder Koby Stevens could seek a trade after struggling for game time this season.

Victoria-born Stevens has notched just 11 games since being taken at pick No.23 in the 2009 national draft, with four of those appearances coming this year.

West Coast are keen to retain the 21-year-old, but Stevens may opt for a trade in order to gain better exposure.

"Koby's no different to a lot of young guys - if they don't get opportunity, obviously they've got to have a look at where they're going to play," West Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett said on Monday.

"We rate him very highly. He's a good, hard player.

"Hopefully we will retain him. If we don't, we'll have to look at a trade for him."
 
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