Discussion 2012 List Management: De-Listings, Trades, Drafting & Free Agency

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Armitage increased his run & spread noticeably this year..
We were exciting & dangerous when Stanley, Saad, Milera & Steven used their pace this year, another quick mid must be up there with a pinch hitting ruckman & a couple of key talls..
It was noted pre-season, that Armo had worked on his speed off the mark..
 

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Armitage increased his run & spread noticeably this year..
We were exciting & dangerous when Stanley, Saad, Milera & Steven used their pace this year, another quick mid must be up there with a pinch hitting ruckman & a couple of key talls..
It was noted pre-season, that Armo had worked on his speed off the mark..
Armo actually employed a running coach, to improve him 1 on 1

Such is his dedication to improving
 
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Brody Mihocek, anyone know what happened to this kid? All Australian CHB from memory at state level U/18... and opinions out west on Hutchings, who used to be on our list - improved his speed last year dramatically..
Played for Burnie in the Tasmanian state league - was often in the votes playing mainly as a key defender

Link to match results Frequently in the bests and kicked a few too including one bag of 5
 
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Does anyone know why Mark Hutchings was delisted after 2010 season?
Taken in 2009 Rookie draft and only on our list for 1 year. Just came runner-up in Sandover - should we have perservered with him a bit longer?
 
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Does anyone know why Mark Hutchings was delisted after 2010 season?
Taken in 2009 Rookie draft and only on our list for 1 year. Just came runner-up in Sandover - should we have perservered with him a bit longer?
The same reason they'd have delisted me if they'd Rookied me. Failure to convince anyone that he would make a good AFL player.
 
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I was hoping for just a little bit more... work ethic, poor disposal skills, attitude etc.
Only 2 seasons after we delisted him he has come runner-up in the Sandover.
Think he was considered a tad slow for the afl midfield but that is based on hearsay -not gospel -had a good year last year as well. Like i said he went away and worked on his speed. As for Mihocek -thanks kildonan - if he is playing for Burnie guess we've had a good look at him, not sure why he did not go to anyone last year. From the highlights I saw he could clunk them. Attitude maybe? Anyone remember?
 

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Does anyone know why Mark Hutchings was delisted after 2010 season?
Taken in 2009 Rookie draft and only on our list for 1 year. Just came runner-up in Sandover - should we have perservered with him a bit longer?
Back in 2010 I wrote:

Hutchings gives it everything, but at 181cm and without being real quick or a long kicker, he didn't need any injury setbacks.

I can't remember what the injury was, but he was back playing from the start of 2011.

You've got to factor in that he didn't get picked up by anyone despite the following:

Oct 2011
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/af...-for-afl-rebirth/story-e6frg1xu-1226173960214

West Perth onballer Mark Hutchings is a ready-made AFL midfielder and could be a steal for whoever punts on the St Kilda reject, according to his WAFL coach Bill Monaghan.

The gutsy ball winner, originally from East Perth, switched to the Falcons in 2011 and averaged 21 possessions a game in the WAFL this season.

"Mark has been outstanding for us this year and he has a great work ethic as well, so we think at 20 years of age he will only keep getting better," Monaghan said.

"Is there another side out there who could use an inside midfielder?

Significantly for a player who had previously been criticised for a lack of pace, Hutchings' time of 2.83sec for the 20m sprint was faster than any time recorded at the National Draft Combine and was .27sec faster than the time he posted in 2009.

Hutchings has battled osteitis pubis and hip problems in the early part of his career and believes he's now physically and mentally ready for a second crack at the big time.

He will nominate for the national draft but his best chance of a second-chance AFL career is through December's rookie draft.

"I felt like I had something to prove just to myself mainly that I was good enough to hopefully get back on a list," he said. "I'm a bit better equipped now to tackle being on an AFL list than I was when I was 18.

"I think the operation he had to free his hips up really helped him get some mobility and he added some strength through our weights program," Monaghan said.
 

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I didn't even know it was possible to improve your speed let alone dramatically improve it.
Mechanics wise, there's a really a larger than considered amount of work you can do to increase your straight line speed as there's that many muscles, motions and movements needed to just run. As an example, one can run on the balls of their feet and thus provide "spring" as opposed to the heel and produce "push" which of course translates to a small boost as push of course pushes you forward as the impact is behind pressing forward, whilst spring pushes you up (path of least resistance) so there's effectively less strain overall on the muscles. One would give a small boost (extremely minor, talking like .001s max) to straight line speed, one would give a small boost to repeat efforts at said speed.

That's before you get into the "fuel" intake with regards to oxygen & energy nutrients.
 

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Think he was considered a tad slow for the afl midfield but that is based on hearsay -not gospel -had a good year last year as well. Like i said he went away and worked on his speed. As for Mihocek -thanks kildonan - if he is playing for Burnie guess we've had a good look at him, not sure why he did not go to anyone last year. From the highlights I saw he could clunk them. Attitude maybe? Anyone remember?
Thanks, given the WAFL is that bit slower than AFL that could explain it.
 

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purely speculative, but what would other posters thoughts be on chasing sharrod wellingham? remains unsigned and a few clubs are keen on him.

at 24 years of age, is in a good age bracket, has the speed and skill to compliment our current crop of inside mids and can go up forward for a goal. thoughts?
 

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Wellingham is a good player but I don't think we should go after him, would prefer us to stick to the draft. Don't see him leaving Collingwood anyway.
 

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Don't think height is worrying us considering we are reported to be interested in Jarrad Rivers at 192cm aswell. at least Gilham is proven premiership player who can play on the big guys.
I call BS on Rivers rumours as well. We've already got Simpkin as the solid KPD that can't quite handle the gorillas. Getting Rivers and/or Gilham would be completely pointless, as we'll still need a taller, stronger key back. Not to mention that they or Simpkin will be playing at Sandy all year, as we can't have a bunch of 192cm defenders.
 

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I'd be okay with a trade of a fringe player and a swap of second rounders or something for Mitch Brown, but I sure as hell don't want us paying well for him.
 

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From what I've heard from you guys shepherd seems the go to man. What draft pick do we expect him to be taken at?

With the new vets list deal coming in next year, will it allow us to have more players on our list? say does volt and kozi /others count towards the total number of players allowed on the list?
 

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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...st-the-tonic-for-old-cats-20111012-1ll89.html

The rule offers clubs the opportunity to pay a veteran about $100,000 that doesn't count in its salary cap.

Whereas the current veteran's rule favors clubs that have two highly-paid players who are 30 or older - such as Fremantle with Matthew Pavlich (30 in December) and Aaron Sandilands - the revised rule will advantage clubs that have several well-paid players with 10 years or more of service.


The new rule does not require a player to be 30 to qualify for veteran status. The only qualifier is that he has completed 10 years of service

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...or-old-cats-20111012-1ll89.html#ixzz1aehqqw6m




2012

Milney, Lenny & Kosi (50% of salary under old rules)

2013 $700,000

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Milney
Lenny
Kosi
Fish
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Joey
 

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why are people obsessed with getting mitch brown, not only is he a spud but he's also injury prone and to top it off he's a shit human being.

so average playing ability, body not up to it and shit character. wce will take what ever they can get for him. definitely a player we do not want.
 
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