Mega Thread 2012 List Management - Drafts, Trading & Free Agency (Official/Reported ONLY)

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I think we seriously need to look at injecting some class into our HB and HF line. We need someone like goddard/hurn/birchall kicking out of defence rather than hooker/hardingham....HFF also could use a goal kicking mid to rotate through.
Surely we don't have room for hille, ryder, belcho, hurley, crameri, daniher, gumbleton as forwards or rucks resting forwards..someone has to go?
 

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I think we seriously need to look at injecting some class into our HB and HF line. We need someone like goddard/hurn/birchall kicking out of defence rather than hooker/hardingham....HFF also could use a goal kicking mid to rotate through.
Surely we don't have room for hille, ryder, belcho, hurley, crameri, daniher, gumbleton as forwards or rucks resting forwards..someone has to go?
I agree but i feel like thats something that needs to be developed from within. Hibberd or Heppell can hopefully evolve into such a player.
As for the forward line, i really think that Hurls needs to go back. Having him and Carlisle back there would make us so stable. And its not like we're then poor in the forward line. Gumbo and Crameri is formidable, plus Ryder pinch hitting and developing Daniher throughout season.
 
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Dunno weather it's already been mentioned but jetta and myers have started contract negotiations.
Good move, both required players for mine, Myers is a man-beast, and Jetta is a natural attacking midfielder, not a small forward, he needs a change of role.
 

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Dunno weather it's already been mentioned but jetta and myers have started contract negotiations.
Good move, both required players for mine, Myers is a man-beast, and Jetta is a natural attacking midfielder, not a small forward, he needs a change of role.
Myers is critical. Potential to average 20-25+ possessions a game if he gets through a season unscathed.
 

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Don't fall for the trap that Melbourne hasn't stuffed up their drafting - You aren't bottom 5 for six years for no reason - Their recent drafting is close to the standards set by Richmond.

Who are the players they took that no other club would have taken?

Watts, Scully, Trengove, Grimes, Tapscott, Blease, Gysberts, Lucas Cook, Jeremy Howe, Gawn, Cale Morton, Grimes, Strauss or Addam Maric? Strauss and Maric are the only players I don't recall being seriously discussed in the media as being high picks (and it is probably my memory).

That is 12 players taken in the first and second rounds between 2007 and 2010.I don't know them well enough to discuss the rest of their recruiting but 12 of 14 players is a pretty good start. The issue is that maybe two of them are established in the side as consistent performers.

Say what you want about where these players are at the moment but the reality is that they were always going to be drafted when they were. It means that everyone was wrong. I just don't think recruiting works that way. The talent was correctly identified (in the first and second round anyway) but the development of the players has been appalling which shouldn't be a surprise given the tanking and knifing of senior players.
 

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TOP 3 Drft picks each year:
2001- Luke Molan, Steven Amrstrong (OUCH)
2002- Daniel Bell, Nick Smith, Jared Rivers
2003- Sylvia, Mclean, Christopher Johnson
2004- Bate, Dunn
2005- Nathen Jones, Buckley, Bartram

...This is where the damage was done, especially when you consider that there was a superdraft in there and some other great ones that have shaped the current contenders squads.
 

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TOP 3 Drft picks each year:
2001- Luke Molan, Steven Amrstrong (OUCH)
2002- Daniel Bell, Nick Smith, Jared Rivers
2003- Sylvia, Mclean, Christopher Johnson
2004- Bate, Dunn
2005- Nathen Jones, Buckley, Bartram

...This is where the damage was done, especially when you consider that there was a superdraft in there and some other great ones that have shaped the current contenders squads.
Rivers, Sylvia, Bate, Dunn and Jones are the only ones in their 22. Bate and Dunn debatable
 

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TOP 3 Drft picks each year:
2001- Luke Molan, Steven Amrstrong (OUCH)
2002- Daniel Bell, Nick Smith, Jared Rivers
2003- Sylvia, Mclean, Christopher Johnson
2004- Bate, Dunn
2005- Nathen Jones, Buckley, Bartram

...This is where the damage was done, especially when you consider that there was a superdraft in there and some other great ones that have shaped the current contenders squads.

Agreed but we were discussing a narrower time period.

I'm looking at poorly developed players with a pedigree that would could add to our side instead of taking babies in this draft. The advantage is that additional physical development means that we could get much more out of them quickly and in addition to getting 10 year players.



As for Strauss I'm certainly not saying that he was a failure. I just don't recall the name.

Maric I am certain was a mistake at the time.
 

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Don't really get the Savage love.

Came on as sub and kicked a couple goals. Didn't really do much else.
A couple of real telling tackles that resulted in goals to the Hawks a short time after, 5 score inv, 19 pressure acts and 79% disposal eff in 80% game time.
Need to know what you are watching.
 

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I think you'll find I said "not what we need".
Answer me this how many flankers do we have that are better ?
I will back my judgment that he will be able to play midfield but that aside he is better than anyone we have playing half forward and he can do a stint in the middle with turning the zone into a bloody mess.

Yes the list screams out for a class midfielder but you build a list by getting class or better players on all lines.
 

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Answer me this how many flankers do we have that are better ?
I will back my judgment that he will be able to play midfield but that aside he is better than anyone we have playing half forward and he can do a stint in the middle with turning the zone into a bloody mess.

Yes the list screams out for a class midfielder but you build a list by getting class or better players on all lines.
Winderlich is better. There's no question he'd get a game for us, none at all, but we have far, far more pressing issues. Naitanui would get a game for us, but it'd be silly to trade for him.

If we could get Savage in on top of Moloney, Caddy and Goddard in some hypothetical trading wonderland, of course you'd do it. But targeting Savage instead of any of those three would be folly IMO.
 

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Winderlich is better. There's no question he'd get a game for us, none at all, but we have far, far more pressing issues. Naitanui would get a game for us, but it'd be silly to trade for him.

If we could get Savage in on top of Moloney, Caddy and Goddard in some hypothetical trading wonderland, of course you'd do it. But targeting Savage instead of any of those three would be folly IMO.
Winderlich can not string games together and has an injury list longer than a mystery novel. I rate him but he has had too many complications with his back that continually caused the hammy issues.

Would i take Goddard over Savage, yes i would, would i rate Caddy a better midfielder yes i would but it comes down to what you have to pay and it will be overs to get Caddy. Goddard in FA is a better bet.

it is not just about the player but what you have to give up to get him. I know that the Hawks will not be looking to let him go anyway so the issue is pointless but my comments come on the back of you saying he is not what we need when we need classy ball users on all lines and players who understand how to play modern footy..
 

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He's contracted til 2015 so it's all moot, but his price this year if he was out of contract and wanted to go would be probably our second rounder plus. So he's not all that much cheaper than Caddy but he'll end up on the flank of a good team, not in the guts. Look, if he's out of contract and looking for a move in 2015 and our list is in better shape, then you make an offer. But unless we can bring in 4 players this year, worrying about the forward flanks isn't going to do anything productive for the team. We need class off the half back line (which Hurley back might bring; I'd love to see Goddard, Hurley and Fletcher in the same backline), and most importantly depth in the midfield. After that, all concerns are secondary as far as our best 22 goes. Obviously we need a depth ruckman, probably a depth KPD if we trade for Caddy, but they won't be starting players.
 
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Yeah i mentioned him ages ago, when he was in and out of the side and starting as the sub, so then he was more of a realistic target. But he won't drop out of the team this week, and the hawks will probably go deep into the finals so now he's an unrealistic target
 

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Fairly clear that Myers is a late maturer. Still worried that he can't play more than 18 games a year, but he looks set to go BANG in 2013. That one step 55 m goal against Pies was something that only about1%of AFL players could do. Caused me to spill my beer
 

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Who are the players they took that no other club would have taken?

Watts, Scully, Trengove, Grimes, Tapscott, Blease, Gysberts, Lucas Cook, Jeremy Howe, Gawn, Cale Morton, Grimes, Strauss or Addam Maric? Strauss and Maric are the only players I don't recall being seriously discussed in the media as being high picks (and it is probably my memory).

That is 12 players taken in the first and second rounds between 2007 and 2010.I don't know them well enough to discuss the rest of their recruiting but 12 of 14 players is a pretty good start. The issue is that maybe two of them are established in the side as consistent performers.

Say what you want about where these players are at the moment but the reality is that they were always going to be drafted when they were. It means that everyone was wrong. I just don't think recruiting works that way. The talent was correctly identified (in the first and second round anyway) but the development of the players has been appalling which shouldn't be a surprise given the tanking and knifing of senior players.
You haven't convinced me - Watts is a wasted pick unless he becomes a very good/excellent KP - They picked Cook too early - Trengove is a question mark - Grimes very good - Howe a steal - Morton a waste - Think Blease will be OK - Strauss I doubt - Gysberts is unknown - Gawn is unlikely - Tapscott I think will be OK - Scully has left but won't be the best player from his draft.

Yes - Development plays a role in the ultimate result of drafting - But you still have to draft the right players - And I believe that MFC is heading into Richmond terrotory.
 
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Fairly clear that Myers is a late maturer. Still worried that he can't play more than 18 games a year, but he looks set to go BANG in 2013. That one step 55 m goal against Pies was something that only about1%of AFL players could do. Caused me to spill my beer
My brother the tigs supporter always loses his shit when martin kicks a goal on the run from 60, and i'm just like 'yeah cool, Myers can kick that off a step'
It is an absolute weapon that we need to keep
 
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