Mega Thread 2012 List Management: Part II

[Fin ice Smuggler]

Reading HUN and found this.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/dep...-young-in-demand/story-fn69a32t-1226495021484



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/dep...-young-in-demand/story-fn69a32t-1226495021484

Doubt we are that interested in Young.

why not, provides outside elite ball use by foot that we seek?

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

why not, provides outside elite ball use by foot that we seek?

Are you sure?

Career goalkicking of 60 goals 63 behinds. If he's elite he should be nailing them and not having a negative ratio. Look at someone who is elite in Ablett jnr. Never averaged more than 20 touches in any season. He's soft and crumbles under pressure.

From the Hawks board:

YEAR........... CY DE%........ ALL Teams AVG DE%
2012............... 68%...................72.1%
2011............... 62%...................72.1%
2010............... 71%...................73%
2009............... 85%...................74.5%
2008............... 72%...................75%

I reckon Ricky Dyson is just as good a player and he can't get a gig in our best 22.

 

[morebeer]

I know it's not cool to like Young these days since his stuff up in the GF but I really think he is quality. He would really give our outside run and carry a lift. Apparantly ranks highly in the meters gained stat. Can be played off half back or wing and we could probably move Heppell to the inside a bot more.

And no trade required, free agency really is good for us.

 

[Loonerty]

Are you sure?

Career goalkicking of 60 goals 63 behinds. If he's elite he should be nailing them and not having a negative ratio.

Good thing he doesn't then.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

Are you sure?

Career goalkicking of 60 goals 63 behinds. If he's elite he should be nailing them and not having a negative ratio. Look at someone who is elite in Ablett jnr. Never averaged more than 20 touches in any season. He's soft and crumbles under pressure.

From the Hawks board:

YEAR........... CY DE%........ ALL Teams AVG DE%
2012............... 68%...................72.1%
2011............... 62%...................72.1%
2010............... 71%...................73%
2009............... 85%...................74.5%
2008............... 72%...................75%

I reckon Ricky Dyson is just as good a player and he can't get a gig in our best 22.

Does this show where he is kicking them from? usually outside 50.

I dont think we'll get him anyway and I dont want another ex hawks players, shotgun was enough.

ATM is there any player we aren't into? Hickey, Young, Jacobs, Stevens...

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Does this show where he is kicking them from? usually outside 50.

I dont think we'll get him anyway and I dont want another ex hawks players, shotgun was enough.

ATM is there any player we aren't into? Hickey, Young, Jacobs, Stevens...

I can't tell you where he is kicking them from but I can sure tell that you he ain't kicking many goals. For an outside mid with "elite" kicking skills he only has 60 goals in 116 games.

I reckon this is all being pushed internally by the Hawks so as to maximise his compensation and get something for him. I think he's on the way out with the coaching staff.

 

[Mrs Mercuri]

Would prefer we keep Dyson over Clint Young...

We have also been linked to GC ruck Tom Hickey today, makes sense if the Hille retirement rumours are true. Are we still any chance to get one of Stevens or Jacobs? It's gone a bit quiet on those two..

 

[eth-dog]

Is Hickey a better forward than Bellchambers? If so, yes please

 

[table tennis]

Clint young would improve our list. Would be in our starting 18, meaning our depth for players 19-30 would be stronger. And you need a strong 30 to get anywhere.

 

[daz17]

Has there been any official sources linking Hickey to us?
Only seen it on rumour pages.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Clint young would improve our list. Would be in our starting 18, meaning our depth for players 19-30 would be stronger. And you need a strong 30 to get anywhere.

Ricky Dyson>Clinton Young

 

[Mr Mosquito]

Ricky Dyson>Clinton Young

In no way is Ricky Dyson a better footballer than Clinton Young. I'm not sure how you come to this opinion tbh

 

[ZaharakisFTW]

Young is probably a better footballer then Dyson-but in order to tempt him from Hawthorn and make sure he goes to us and not Collingwood you'd imagine wed have to pay him a pretty penny and over a few years to and I feel as though the diference beetween Dyson and Young is not substantial enough to warrant this-

Hickey is a talent, there is no doubting that. But even with Hille retiring he still is behind Paddy, T-bell and even Joe D if they want to throw him in the ruck. While at the Saints and even at North (if they lose H-mack) he slots pretty much into their best 22 or at least bloody close to it.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

In no way is Ricky Dyson a better footballer than Clinton Young. I'm not sure how you come to this opinion tbh

Well both do very little except kick with their left foot, although Dyson is capable of some sort of defending and isn't softer than Gibbs.

 

[Danger_Mouse5]

Young, Gysberts, Jacobs, Hickey, Stevens, Rodan, Salopek, Surjan- Look at it what do they offer that we don't already have on our list?? Pick one and tell what any of them have that is superior to what we already have. Sign Gumby for two years might give him extra confidence he needs to finally blossom, we just signed myers and jetta, got Goddard and hopefully a host of players that won't have as may injuries this year, we need to be happy with what we have got!

WE DONT NEED ANY OF THESE PLAYERS

 

[Dwight Schrute]

In no way is Ricky Dyson a better footballer than Clinton Young. I'm not sure how you come to this opinion tbh

Maybe.
But even if Young is better, it is only slight difference.
Dyson averages more disposals, marks, contested possessions and less clangers, all this including a game where he was subbed.

 

[Jab]

Sam Landsberger ‏@SamLandsbergerNice work Rory Atkins, taking out Calder Cannons' B+F. Played some blistering footy as a goalkicking mid. Bombers like the left-footer.

 

[ZaharakisFTW]

In no way is Ricky Dyson a better footballer than Clinton Young. I'm not sure how you come to this opinion tbh

I know stats arnt everything-but over the last year Dyson on average leads Young in pretty much every stat-not by long margins but certainly nothing there to justify recruiting young

 

[calyam]

I know stats arnt everything-but over the last year Dyson on average leads Young in pretty much every stat-not by long margins but certainly nothing there to justify recruiting young

I don't really have a view of whether we should go for Young but for what it is worth, Champion Data indicate that Young usually does more with his disposals than Dyson, despite getting a little less of it. So basically his disposal quality is likely to be superior. Then there's the fact that he played more games for the year in a team that was obviously better performed.

 

[Danger_Mouse5]

So were "upgrading" Dyson to Young to make our team better?? I like it!!! Bendigo Bombers 2013 Premiers

 

[morebeer]

I don't really have a view of whether we should go for Young but for what it is worth, Champion Data indicate that Young usually does more with his disposals than Dyson, despite getting a little less of it. So basically his disposal quality is likely to be superior. Then there's the fact that he played more games for the year in a team that was obviously better performed.

Yep.

Ranks highly in the meters gained stat. Dyson is okay too but Young can really break a line. I know it's cool to bag outside players but he does play his role pretty well and would be an asset for us. Doesn't mean it's him or Dyson, we could use both. TRB want us to play a predomiantly kicking gameplan, so it would make sense to aqcuire some nice kicks.

It's just a matter of how much Young would cost and it looks like their is a bidding war so we are not in a position of strength.

 

[Mrs Mercuri]

Has there been any official sources linking Hickey to us?
Only seen it on rumour pages.

Was on the afl website this morning

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

I say Hille is going to retire considering we are after Hickey.

 

[daz17]

Way more opportunity at North and Saints.
Don't see us getting him

 

[bombermick]

I say Hille is going to retire considering we are after Hickey.

Looks like it. I can't see Hickey choosing us when he can be second-in-line at North or the Saints.

I'd like Young, as we need someone who can carry the lines, and it's better than giving up draft picks for question marks like Stevens.