Mega Thread 2012 List Management thread

[Jordie_tackles]

I would say that Jones, and Trengove improved this year, am sick of people complaining about his form. he looked slow in the legs, Big preseason anyone? but killed it in tackles, and pressure acts, was top 3 for disposals and about top 5 for kicks..... when he gets his hands on the ball a bit more and adjust to the training i think he will become a very complete player.

Howe through the middle, although he hasnt played their before so who knows?

Blease definitely did imo, but he is only getting his first good run at it.

Grimes, but he has always had it.

 

[lanky_wes]

I'm in no way convinced Royal should stay or not, but its a bit harsh to blame him for all of this, we had a totally new game plan, a team with a shocking fitness base, and we had two of our physically strongest midfielders not buying into the new game plan for large parts of the year, Moloney and Sylvia. We also finished virtually bottom of the ladder, so no surprise most stats will be terrible.

It would seem the midfielders with the right attitudes made at some significant improvements this year though, Jones, Grimes, McKenzie and Howe. Magner started well, but got moved to a different role, presumably due to fitness issues. Trengove clearly struggled all year with fitness, and yes you would keep playing your injured captain, particularly when experience is vital to his development, if playing on would not cause further injury. Sylvia's attitude and form improved in the later parts of the season. Moloney is gone. Bate is probably gone.

Bit harsh on Sylvia I reckon. Gotta remember he had a pretty bad back injury right at the end of the preseason. His 'poor form' was just him not quite being fully fit. Once he regained his fitness he was great for the last part of the season.

 

[saj_21]

Moloney GONE
Jurrah GONE
Bate HAS TO GO
Jetta HAS TO STAY
Bennell HAS TO GO
Petterd HAS TO GO (UNFORTUNATELY)
Green GONE
Cook IF WE DON'T RATE HIM, THEN CUT HIM LOOSE
MacDonald KEEP
Lawrence GONE
Evans HAS TO GO - CAN'T STAY FIT
Couch HAS TO GO - DIDN'T PERFORM WHEN GIVEN A CHANCE
Bartram HAS TO GO - BODY NO GOOD
Fitzy/Davis - Resign as rookie perhaps? Draft some better talent....

Agree above except for;
Jetta line ball, would lean towards keeping Petterd but i think he has a moloney-esuqe attitude
Joel Mac - delist
Bartram - i think one more year to see if he can get his knee right
Fitzy - keep on the main list he really improved last year
Davis - i don't reate him but maintain worth maintaining on the main list

I think we will look at upgrading Nicholson and/or manger to fill senior spots on list and replace them on the rookie list with some youngsters through the rookie draft.

The amount of delistings will depend on the how many players we aquire through FA and then how many players/ picks are brought in during the trade period.

You're suggesting ten players off the main list? I know we're shit, but that's such a stretch...

For what it's worth, Cook will stay, and we wouldn't even contemplate putting Fitzpatrick/Davis on the rookie list - that relies on everyone else passing them up through the ND and the RD up to wherever we select them.

Why not we arguably have the worst list in the comp? We retain as many as we can?

Jurrah, Green Moloney gone, Rivers most likely Cook and Gysberts look to be moving on, there is 6 already before even get rid of the blokes who aren't upto it.

 

[CTHORANGE]

Bit harsh on Sylvia I reckon. Gotta remember he had a pretty bad back injury right at the end of the preseason. His 'poor form' was just him not quite being fully fit. Once he regained his fitness he was great for the last part of the season.

Yeh that's a fair call, though during the mid part of the season a lot of us were paying out on him for generally looking disinterested at times, a good finish to the season doesn't forgive all, but yes his injury was definately an issue for him.

 

[lanky_wes]

Yeh that's a fair call, though during the mid part of the season a lot of us were paying out on him for generally looking disinterested at times, a good finish to the season doesn't forgive all, but yes his injury was definately an issue for him.

That's true. I was also of the belief mid season that he was disinterested and was expecting him to leave at seasons end, especially after the Sydney fiasco. But upon reflection I think that was mainly due to a lack of match fitness. Sylvia had a week off after that match and looked a totally different player when he returned. In my opinion he just needed that extra week to get his body completely right.

 

[DrMubutu]

For me, Jetta's retention may well rest on Bartram's knee.

I'd have him playing on the small forward/pushing up into midfield types, which is Bartram's current role. When he went down, there was almost no-one to play this role for us.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

For me, Jetta's retention may well rest on Bartram's knee.

Sounds a bit cruel and unnecessary to me. Clint's knee's fragile enough without putting that kind of stress on it

 

[Eth]

Yeah, Bennell's probably receiving an extension.

 

[liam_13]

Hello, I've been looking at a few teams that should have interesting off-seasons for whatever reason (Dogs, Essendon and Adelaide are also in a position where they could have some list changes/interesting trades).

So I put together a bit of an analysis into each list, potential draftees etc.

Couple of notes:
1) I assumed GC didn't go all out for Viney so Melbourne were able to pick him up after the first round
2) I'm a bit unsure on Joel Macdonald, Neville Jetta (thought dropping him was harsh but I have seen barely any of him so thought it wouldn't be a travesty to drop him), Matthew Bate and the rookie list.
3) As this took a lot of time to research (draftees and profiles) I was a bit light on thinking up my potential trades, thought for a little bit for each one so most likely posters will believe the trades are overs/unders for Demons. Apologies.


Melbourne Demons:

Out:
Brad Green (retired)
Brent Moloney, Jared Rivers (free agency)
Ricky Petterd, Stefan Martin (traded)
Liam Jurrah, Lynden Dunn, Neville Jetta (delisted)
Kelvin Lawrence, Leigh Williams (rookie delistings)

Original draft picks:
3, 4, 13, 26, 45, 64, 82

Trades:
Ricky Petterd and pick 45 to St Kilda for pick 34

Stefan Martin to Collingwood for pick 39

Pick 39 and 64 to North Melbourne for Cameron Pedersen and pick 54

Free Agency Gains and Losses:
Gains:
Shannon Byrnes
Steven Salopek

Losses:
Brent Moloney
Jared Rivers

Net Gain/Loss:
Loss – compensated with a end of 2nd round draft pick (band 3)

End of Off-Season movement period draft picks:
3, 4, 14, 27, 35, 44, 56, 84

In:
Shannon Byrnes, Steven Salopek, Cameron Pedersen

National Draft:
3-Jimmy Toumpas – outside midfielder
4-Jackson Mccrae – outside midfielder
14-Nick Vlastuin – inside midfielder
27-Jack Viney (F/S pick) – inside midfielder
35-Tom Lee – key forward
44-Matthew McDonough – medium forward
56-Cameron Symonds -ruck
84-Dan Nicholson (rookie upgrade)
102-James Magner (rookie upgrade)

Pre-Season draft:
3. Jordan Russell

Rookie Draft:
3. Anthony Tipungwuti – HBF/HFF
21. Josh Scott – key forward
39. Kurt Heatherley (International) – key back

Senior List (Name, age as of December 31st 2012, games, position/role):
Rohan Bail – 24, 36, outside midfielder
Clint Bartram – 24, 103, back pocket
Matthew Bate – 25, 102, 3rd tall forward
Jamie Bennell – 22, 57, small rebounding back
Sam Blease – 21, 21, half back/wing
Shannon Byrnes – 28, 108, small forward
Mitchell Clark – 25, 93, key forward/2nd ruck
Lucas Cook – 20, 0, key forward
Aaron Davey – 29, 158, small forward
Troy Davis – 20, 0, tall/small defender
Jack Fitzpatrick – 21, 3, ruck
James Frawley – 24, 101, key defender
Colin Garland – 24, 80, key defender/forward
Max Gawn – 21, 4, ruck
Jack Grimes – 23, 53, HBF
Jordan Gysberts – 21, 19, inside midfielder
Jeremy Howe – 22, 35, 3rd tall forward
Mark Jamar – 29, 124, ruck
Nathan Jones – 24, 135, inside/outside midfielder
Tom Lee – 21, 0, key forward/defender
Joel Macdonald – 28, 123, HBF
Jackson Macrae – 18, 0, outside midfielder
James Magner – 25, 17, inside midfielder
Tom McDonald – 20, 22, key defender
Matthew McDonough – 18, 0, medium forward
Jordie McKenzie – 22, 57, inside midfielder
Cale Morton – 22, 73, wing/utility
Dan Nicholson – 22, 20, small defender
Cameron Pedersen – 25, 14, key utility (forward, ruck, back)
Jordan Russell – 26, 116, HBF
Steven Salopek – 27, 121, wing
James Sellar – 23, 37, key forward/defender
Jake Spencer – 23, 16, ruck
Jamie Strauss – 22, 18, medium defender
Colin Sylvia – 27, 138, outside midfielder
Cameron Symonds – 20, 0, ruck
Rory Taggert – 19, 0, outside midfielder
Luke Tapscott – 21, 29, small defender/inside midfielder
Jimmy Toumpas – 18, 0, outside midfielder
Jack Trengove – 21, 59, inside midfielder
Josh Tynan – 19, 2, small defender
Nick Vlastuin – 18, 0, inside midfielder
Jack Viney – 18, 0, inside midfielder
Jack Watts – 21, 55, utility

Rookie List:
Thomas Couch
Michael Evans
Kurt Heatherley
Josh Scott
Jai Sheahan
Anthony Tipungwuti

Analysis (Senior List):
Position:
Small/medium defenders: Clint Bartram, Jamie Bennell, Troy Davis, Joel Macdonald, Dan Nicholson, Jordan Russell, Jamie Strauss
Key defenders: James Frawley, Colin Garland, Tom McDonald, James Sellar
Small/medium forwards: Matthew Bate, Shannon Byrnes, Aaron Davey, Jeremy Howe, Matthew McDonough
Key forwards: Mitchell Clark, Lucas Cook, Tom Lee
Inside midfielders: Jack Grimes, Jordan Gysberts, Nathan Jones, James Magner, Jordie McKenzie, Luke Tapscott, Jack Trengove, Nick Vlastuin, Jack Viney
Outside midfielders: Rohan Bail, Sam Blease, Jackson Mccrae, Steven Salopek, Colin Sylvia, Rory Taggert, Jimmy Toumpas
Rucks: Jack Fitzpatrick, Max Gawn, Mark Jamar, Jake Spencer, Cameron Symonds
Utilities: Cale Morton, Cameron Pedersen, Jack Watts

Age (as of December 31st 2012):
18-19: Jackson Mccrae, Matthew McDonough, Rory Taggert, Jimmy Toumpas, Josh Tynan, Nick Vlaustin, Jack Viney 7
20-21: Sam Blease, Lucas Cook, Troy Davis, Jack Fitzpatrick, Max Gawn, Jordan Gysberts, Tom Lee, Tom McDonald, Cameron Symonds, Luke Tapscott, Jack Trengove, Jack Watts 12
22-23: Jamie Bennell, Jack Grimes, Jeremy Howe, Jordie McKenzie, Cale Morton, Dan Nicholson, James Sellar, Jake Spencer, Jamie Strauss 9
24-27 (prime): Rohan Bail, Clint Bartram, Matthew Bate, Mitch Clark, James Frawley, Colin Garland, Nathan Jones, James Magner, Cameron Pedersen, Jordan Russell, Steven Salopek, Colin Sylvia 12
28-30: Shannon Byrnes, Aaron Davey, Mark Jamar, Joel Macdonald 4
30+ (twilight): 0

Games Played:
0: Lucas Cook, Troy Davis, Tom Lee, Jackson Mccrae, Matthew McDonough, Cameron Symonds, Rory Taggert, Jimmy Toumpas, Nick Vlaustin, Jack Viney
1-10: Jack Fitzpatrick, Max Gawn, Josh Tynan
11-50: Rohan Bail, Sam Blease, Jordan Gysberts, Jeremy Howe, James Magner, Tom McDonald, Dan Nicholson, Cam Pedersen, James Sellar, Jake Spencer, Jamie Strauss, Luke Tapscott
51-100: Jamie Bennell, Mitch Clark, Colin Garland, Jack Grimes, Jordie McKenzie, Cale Morton, Jack Watts, Jack Trengove
101-150: Clint Bartram, Matthew Bate, Shannon Byrnes, James Frawley, Mark Jamar, Nathan Jones, Joel Macdonald, Colin Sylvia, Jordan Russell, Steven Salopek
151+: Aaron Davey

2013:
First tier Leaders (not actual leadership group, just opinion on who are the players that are ‘key’ to Melbourne):
Clint Bartram, Mitch Clark, James Frawley, Jack Grimes, Nathan Jones, Colin Sylvia, Jack Trengove
Second tier Leaders:
Shannon Byrnes, Mark Jamar, Jordan Russell, Luke Tapscott, Jack Viney, Jack Watts
Expected Debutants:
Lucas Cook, Tom Lee, Jackson Mccrae, Rory Taggert, Jimmy Toumpas, Nick Vlaustin, Jack Viney
Expected Retirements:
Nil
Players on thin-ice (probably 2013 delistings/trades):
Matthew Bate, Lucas Cook, Aaron Davey, Troy Davis, Joel Macdonald, Cale Morton, Jake Spencer

Melbourne's Best 22 for 2013 - based on my own discretion as to youth vs experience (long term vs short term) and from my knowledge of the list-which if told, I'd be quite happy to admit I'm wrong for some players:
B: Garland, Frawley, Nicholson
HB: Grimes, McDonald, Davey
C: Blease, Jones, Sylvia
HF: Toumpas, Clark, Watts
F: Howe, Fitzpatrick, Byrnes
Foll: Jamar, Trengove, Viney
Bench: Mccrae, Bail, Morton, Bennell (sub)
Emerg: Gysberts, McKenzie, Pedersen

 

[Eth]

liam_13, that's one damn good assessment.

 

[CM Sean]

Get Morton out of there. Absolutely hopeless. Should have been delisted already.

 

[Dory_77]

Think Dunn may have saved himself from delisting with his 2nd half of the year down back, but a fair assessment liam_13. I'd be fairly pleased if things panned out that way, certainly in terms of the draft. A couple more players like Bennell and Morton could also be on the way out.

 

[deeman87]

Solid review man, i think i'm delisting Bate instead of Dunn but other than that pretty spot on.

 

[maxmustard]

Sen saying Morton has requested trade, haha.

 

[Tulip]

Yeah, Bennell's probably receiving an extension.

Speaks volumes about Neeld and Harrington, I'm afraid.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Sen saying Morton has requested trade, haha.

So nice when they volunteer of their own accord, isn't it...

 

[deeman87]

Sen saying Morton has requested trade, haha.

please let it be true

 

[MUYB]

According to our homepage, we are sniffing around trying to get Dawes.

 

[Syrus]

According to our homepage, we are sniffing around trying to get Dawes.

Yeah I just read that as well. FFS what is the club doing?

We are also still looking at getting Caddy and Wellingham.

 

[Franky_024]

Is anybody under the assumption should we get Pederson that he would be a walk up start in our lineup?

Fantastic effort on the write-up Liam, for someone who is not a demon supporter thats pretty damn spot on. Word is though that Cook, Morton and Bate will not be in our lineup in 2013

 

[Franky_024]

Yeah I just read that as well. FFS what is the club doing?

We are also still looking at getting Caddy and Wellingham.

Sounds like we're just playing our hand as close as we can without giving anything away.

Honestly it doesn't sound like we are linked to anybody so far, we sniffed at the big Q and Byrnes is lurking as a potential Dee, but i'd say he's just suggesting that there is no reason we shouldn't at least look at any available players. At the moment it seems we won't top last years effort of luring a big fish but a few little ones probably won't hurt either

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Speaks volumes about Neeld and Harrington, I'm afraid.

We're hardly going to cut a player before list lodgement one - and before the trade period.

 

[Tulip]

We're hardly going to cut a player before list lodgement one - and before the trade period.

Every other club (almost) has. Bennell wouldn't crack a game in any side in the league.

 

[PureFooty]

Every other club (almost) has. Bennell wouldn't crack a game in any side in the league.

I'm not sure about that, 15 Jamie Bennell possesions is as good as pretty much any other defender in the league. The only problem is his defensive game and not having the confidence to get the pill. I would think their would be another club out there who would pick him up. Besides the pies did pick up Simon Buckley after we delisted him.

 

[Tulip]

I'm not sure about that, 15 Jamie Bennell possesions is as good as pretty much any other defender in the league. The only problem is his defensive game and not having the confidence to get the pill. I would think their would be another club out there who would pick him up. Besides the pies did pick up Simon Buckley after we delisted him.

When did he last get 15 touches?

Averages 10 over the journey and 5 last season.