Review 2012 List Management Thread

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Season is now officially over for us - I made this thread last year, doing it again this year. Simple collection of finalised departures, draft picks and arrivals. Nobody goes on the list until there's at least an official club statement, no rumours. Draft order taken from the current order listing on the D&T board, correct me if I'm wrong.

All Departures (to)
Michael Doughty (Veteran, Retired) - source
Chris Knights (Free Agent, Richmond) - source
Brad Symes (Delisted) - source
Nick Joyce (Delisted)
Brainless Scumbag Douchecanoe (PSD, Scumney)
Rookies
Will Young (Retired) - source
James Craig (Delisted) - source
Sam Martyn (Delisted) - ibid
Draft picks
#20 (AFL)
#43 (Richmond)
#53 (AFL)

Free Agency & Trade Arrivals (from)
Angus Graham (Richmond) - source
Draft Picks
#54 (Richmond)

Elevations (to)
Brad Crouch (Senior List)
Ian Callinan (Senior List)

National Draft (from)
Pick #62: Sam Siggins (Lauderdale)
Pick #81: Rory Atkins (Calder Cannons)

Preseason Draft (from)
Pick #10: Nick Joyce (Steven Trigg's book of apologies)

Rookie Draft (from)
Pick #14: Kyle Hartigan (Werribee)

International/Alternative Talent Rule (from)
Jack Osborn (Basketball, Tasmania)
Tim Klaosen (Basketball, SA)

Number Changes (previous, last owner)
4. Jenkins (20, Douchecanoe)
11. Wright (47, Doughty)
15. Angus Graham (*, Symes)
20. Sam Siggins (*, Jenkins)
21. Rory Atkins (*, Knights)
30. Jack Osborn (*, Craig)
39. Tim Klaosen (*, Young)

National Draft Order (final)
1. GWS - Lachie Whitfield
2. GWS - Jonathan O'Rourke
3. GWS - Lachlan Plowman
4. Melbourne (compensation pick - Scully) - Jimmy Toumpas
5. Western Bulldogs - Jake Stringer
6. Western Bulldogs (compensation pick - Ward) - Jackson Macrae
7. Port Adelaide - Oliver Wines
8. Brisbane - Sam Mayes
9. Richmond - Nick Vlaustin
10. Essendon (Joe Daniher F/S)
11. Carlton - Troy Menzel
12. GWS - Kristian Jaksch
13. Gold Coast (compensation pick - Goddard) - Jesse Lonergan
14. GWS (compensation pick - Scully) - Aidan Corr
15. North Melbourne - Taylor Garner
16. Geelong - Jackson Thurlow
17. Fremantle - Josh Simpson
18. Collingwood - Brodie Grundy
19. Collingwood - Ben Kennedy
20. Collingwood (compensation pick - Davis) - Tim Broomhead
21. Western Bulldogs - Nathan Hrovat
22. Scumney - Dean Towers
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23. Brisbane (compensation pick - Rischitelli) - Marco Paparone
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24. St Kilda - Nathan Wright
25. St Kilda - Spencer White
26. Melbourne (Jack Viney F/S)
27. GWS - James Stewart
28. Hawthorn - Tim O'Brien
29. Port Adelaide (compensation pick - Pearce) - Tom Clurey
30. Port Adelaide (compensation pick - Chaplin) - Mason Shaw
31. Richmond (compensation pick - N. Krakouer) - Kamdyn McIntosh
32. Brisbane - Michael Close
33. Richmond - Liam McBean
34. Essendon - Jason Ashby
35. Carlton - Tom Temay
36. Fremantle - Tanner Smith
37. North Melbourne - Ben Jacobs
38. Collingwood - Jackson Ramsay
39. Fremantle - Max Duffy
40. St Kilda - Brodie Murdoch
41. North Melbourne - Mason Wood
42. Richmond - Matthew McDonough
43. St Kilda - Josh Saunders
44. Scumney - Harrison Marsh
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45. West Coast - Brant Colledge
46. Scumney - Tim Membrey
47. North Melbourne - Mitchell Wilkins
48. Melbourne (compensation pick - Moloney) - Dean Kent
49. Western Bulldogs (Lachie Hunter F/S)
50. Western Bulldogs (compensation pick - S. Reid) - Joshua Predden
51. Essendon - Dylan Van Unen
52. Melbourne - Matt Jones
53. Essendon - Martin Gleeson
54. Carlton - Nicholas Graham
55. Gold Coast - Tim Sumner
56. North Melbourne - Daniel Currie
57. Gold Coast - Kyal Horsely (R)
58. Gold Coast - Clay Cameron
59. West Coast - Adam Carter
60. West Cost (compensation pick - Lynch) - Mark Hutchings
61. North Melbourne - Taylor Hine
62. Adelaide - Sam Siggins
63. GWS - pass
64. Scumney (compensation pick - Young) - Matthew Dick
65. Scumney - pass
66. Hawthorn - Kaiden Brand
67. GWS - pass
68. Melbourne - Dean Terlich
69. Carlton - pass
70. Hawthorn - Michael Osborne
71. Melbourne - Daniel Nicholson (R)
72. Melbourne - Michael Evans (R)
73. Essendon - Nicholas Kommer
74. Carlton - pass
75. St Kilda - Lewis Pierce
76. North Melbourne - Sam Gibson (R)
77. Geelong - Bradley Hartman
78. Fremantle - Clancee Pearce (R)
79. West Coast - Brad Dick (R)
80. Collingwood - Pass
81. Adelaide - Rory Atkins
82. Port Adelaide - pass
83. GWS - Sam Frost (R)
84. Western Bulldogs - pass
85. Port Adelaide - Tom Jonas (R)
86. Brisbane - Jack Crisp (R)
87. Richmond - pass
88. Essendon - Sean Gregory
89. Carlton - Levi Casboult (R)
90. St Kilda - Sam Dunell (R)
91. North Melbourne - Aaron Mullett (R)
92. Geelong - Jesse Stringer (R)
93. Fremantle - Lee Spurr (R)
94. Collingwood - Marley Williams (R)
95. Adelaide - Ian Callinan (R)
96. Scumney - pass
97. GWS - Andrew Phillips (R)
98. Western Bulldogs - Tom Campbell (R)
99. Brisbane - Niall McKeever (R)
100. Richmond - pass
101. Essendon - pass
102. Carlton - Zach Tuohy (R)
103. North Melbourne - Majak Daw (R)
104. Scumney - pass
105. Western Bulldogs - Jason Johannisen (R)
106. Essendon - Mark Baguley (R)
107. Scumney - Harry Cunningham (R)


Important Dates
  • October 1 - Commencement of Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency period.
  • October 5, 2pm - Nomination of Father-Son Eligible Players and Academy Bidding Players.
  • October 8, 10am - Father Son Eligible Players and Academy Players Bid Meeting.
  • October 8 - Commencement of Trade Period.
  • October 19, 2pm - Deadline for GWS Giants to pre-list balance of any uncontracted players under List Establishment rules.
  • October 19, 5pm - Close to Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.
  • October 23, 5pm - Trade Incentive Rule (17 year-olds). Deadline for trading.
  • October 26, 2pm - End of Trade Period.
  • October 26, 2.10pm - Trade Incentive (17 year-olds) Selection.
  • October 31, 2pm - List Lodgement One.
  • November 1 - Commencement to Delisted Player Free Agency Period.
  • November 13, 2pm - End to Delisted Player Free Agency Period.
  • November 13, 2pm - Out of Contract Listed Player Draft Nomination deadline, New Player Draft Nomination deadline.
  • November 13, 2pm - Deadline for Nomination of any use of 2012 GWS Giants Compensation Selections.
  • November 15, 2pm - List Lodgement Two.
  • November 16, 2pm - Delisted Player Draft Nomination deadline, Non-Retained Rookies Draft Nomination deadline, Nominated of Queensland Zone Priority Selections and Nomination of NSW/ACT Zone Priority Selections.
  • November 22 - NAB AFL Draft, Gold Coast Convention Centre.
  • November 23 - Second Delisted Player Free Agency Period commences.
  • November 28, 2pm - Out of Contract Listed Players Nomination deadline, International Players Nomination deadline, Players Not Registered / Played Three Years deadline, NSW Scholarship and International Scholarship Players deadline.
  • November 28, 5pm - Second Delisted Player Free Agency Period ends.
  • November 29, 2pm - List Lodgement Three.
  • December 4, 2pm - Delisted Player Nomination deadline.
  • December 4 - Deadline for GWS Giants to pre-list balance of any previously listed or previously nominated for draft players under List Establishment rules.
  • December 11, 11am - NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft.
  • December 11, 11.05am - Brisbane Lions, Gold Coast Suns, GWS Giants and Sydney Swans Eligible Pre-Selected Rookies.
  • December 11, 11.10am - NAB AFL Rookie Draft.
 

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Nice work Rabbit. :thumbsu::thumbsu: Good to have all this in one easy to find place over the next couple of months to keep my crows footy fix happening.
Can see where Amer's coming from, but about an hour after the game I started thinking about who is going to get the chop, is Tip going to walk, will Knighta go and to where?
How good is Crouch going to be next year, who do we draft?
So I guess I'm soulless as well.;)
 

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National Draft (from)
Pick #19:
Pick #39:
Pick #58:
Good thread, I have our picks (at this stage) at 19, 40 and 59. In between our first and second round picks, the other 17 teams all have picks obviously and there are 3 activated compensation picks by GWS (Davis, ontraded by Adelaide, pick 20), Brisbane (Rischitelli, pick 23) and Richmond (Krakouer, ontraded by Port, pick 29).

It's up to you of course, but I wonder if it's worth having a full draft order somewhere in this thread for say, the first 3 rounds, so that when trades are being discussed over the next month or so we know what each team has, and it can be updated as the trades go through. I'm happy to do this if you're not keen to.
 

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I tried a draft order last year and got it horribly wrong :thumbsu:

I'll see if I can do better this year, but I'm going to be working from the sticky in the D&T thread as a base. You can give me a hand with the later rounds if you like, I'm not around all of the extra picks it seems!
 

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The AFC has posted this on their website. Thought it might be a useful reference here, maybe even worth a sticky?

Monday, October 1 - Commencement of Gillette AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency period.

Friday, October 5, 2pm - Nomination of Father-Son Eligible Players and Academy Bidding Players.

Friday, October 5 - Crows Club Champion Presentation, Adelaide Convention Centre

Monday, October 8 - Commencement of AFL Trade Period,Father-Son Eligible Players and Academy Players Bid Meeting.

October 19, 5pm - Close to AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period. Deadline for GWS Giants to pre-list balance of any uncontracted players under List Establishment rules.

Monday, October 22 - Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer Response Closed

October 23, 5pm - Trade Incentive Rule (17 year-olds) Deadline for Trading.

Friday, October 26, 2pm - End of AFL Trade Period and trade Incentive (17 year-olds) Selection.

Wednesday, October 31 - List Lodgement One.

Thursday, November 1 - Commencement of Gillette AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period.

November 13, 2pm - End to Gillette AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period and Out of Contract Listed Player Draft Nomination Deadline, New Player Draft Nomination Deadline. Deadline for Nomination of any use of 2012 GWS Giants Compensation Selections.

Thursday, November 15 - List Lodgement Two.

Friday, November 16, 2pm - Delisted Player Draft Nomination Deadline, Non-Retained Rookies Draft Nomination Deadline, Nominated of Queensland Zone Priority Selections and Nomination of NSW/ACT Zone Priority Selections.

Monday, November 19 - Players scheduled to return to West Lakes for the official start of the 2013 pre-season.

Thursday, November 22 - NAB AFL Draft, Gold Coast Convention Centre.

Friday, November 23 - Second Gillette AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period commences.

Wednesday, November 28, 5pm - Second Gillette AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period ends. Out of Contract Listed Players Nomination Deadline, International Players Nomination Deadline, Players Not Registered / Played Three Years Deadline, NSW Scholarship and International Scholarship Players Deadline.

Thursday, November 29, 2pm - List Lodgement Three.

Tuesday, December 4, 2pm - Delisted Player Nomination Deadline.

Tuesday, December 11, 11am - NAB AFL Pre-Season and Rookie Drafts.
http://www.afc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4417/newsid/148486/default.aspx


cmndstab's edit: Merged into the list management thread, since it is effectively a timeline on how our list management process will occur. Thanks for posting it :thumbsu:
 

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I tried a draft order last year and got it horribly wrong :thumbsu:

I'll see if I can do better this year, but I'm going to be working from the sticky in the D&T thread as a base. You can give me a hand with the later rounds if you like, I'm not around all of the extra picks it seems!
It's perfect as is mate, good stuff :thumbsu:

It will be a difficult month to keep track of the draft order - besides flying around in trades there will also be extra free agency compensation picks awarded, and then in November some teams might activate new GWS compensation picks. Good luck!
 

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Most interesting thing about that is that there was no similar announcement on Tambling...
Hmm, I guess we either have plans for him next year, or we did in fact sign him to a new 3 year contract rather than taking over the one he had at Richmond.
 

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Not sure if this is the appropriate thread, but could someone please clarify for me the Brad Crouch situation and what we need to do to get him on to our list ?
- we have to have minimum 3 changes/picks to our list
- is Crouch one of these 3 ? i.e. does he take up a DP, similar to a rookie upgrade ? (so we only have 2 "live" picks)
- or is it 3 picks + Crouch ?
 

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Three plus Crouch, though we also get to play about with the Veterans list as Doughty departs, while Rutten and Johncock are able to go on it.
 

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Three plus Crouch, though we also get to play about with the Veterans list as Doughty departs, while Rutten and Johncock are able to go on it.
And Reilly, should Johncock decide to retire.
So we still need to move on at least one player before the draft.
Technically no, we've now met the AFL's minimum conditions. By elevating two players to the veteran list and delisting Knights and Symes we have already created the 4x list positions required.
 

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Trade week should be interesting. I tip one trade out of left field that no-one predicted. We have plenty of 'servicable' players that are on the road to development teams like Melbourne or perhaps even Brisbane might be in need of such a player that don't have the time it takes to fully develop a rookie.

It will be interesting to see how it unfolds. With a youngish list, and the core of the team set for the future it would be wise to stock up on rookies that will take 2 or 3 years to break into the side. By then Rutten, Johncock and perhaps Reilly may be retired or about to.
 

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Watching Mitch Morton turn the game on its head for the Swans...this trade period is our most important since 1995.
 
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How brutal will we be? Sanderson has now been here for 12 months. He's seen people train, he's seen people play. Selections seemed geared towards having a look at everybody.

Was this in order to make a decision on them? Or moreso to keep those outside the 22 upbeat and interested?

I've gone below with what the harshest decisions would be. Reality is that the cuts won't be this deep but thought I'd start somewhere.

Delistings/Retirements
Knight - gone
Symes - gone
Doughty - gone
Callinan - very interesting one. Was excellent through the minor round, though slightly down against some of the better teams. Then didn't get much of it in finals. Will sound very harsh but I think that's it. He was the "Stuey Dew" pick for us. A mature ager to be the icing on the cake.
Johncock - another interesting one. Fell out of favour and was squeezed into a new role. Was often the sub. The end can come quickly, especially for those who are not fanatical with their training and preparation.
Tambling - surely that's it. Hope he's not contracted for next season.
Rutten - looked to be battling in the latter part of the season (Sellar!) but then put in an excellent finals series. Has he got another one in the tank or was the finals series his last hurrah? Injuries catch up quick, especially with the heavier bodies - more weight going through knees, ankles, feet... adds up.

Trade Options
Douglas
Henderson
Jaensch
Mackay
Martin
McKernan
Otten
Petrenko
L Thompson
Vince

I love a lot of these guys but none are prime movers and a lot of them didn't command automatic first 22 spots. Surely some players on this list would have currency? Could our first rounder and one of these guys get us a look at the Top 10? Perhaps not. But seeing as spots 18-30 on our list are so even there will surely be some movement from within this group - both at the behest of the player and also club initiated.
 
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