I like Josh.Good football brain.Slow legs but.
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Listening to your Pres tonight on 360. He seemed to question the strategy of having so many young kids.
If there is change in that to try to lift the competitiveness of the side , who do you think you would chase , FA wize ( doubt you will want 28 year olds that you have to trade for)
Do you go after a player like Foley at Richmond , Chris Knights at the Crows ,Crowley at Freo or SJ at Geelong . All would add some experience and hardness to the side , helping the kids while easing the pain of getting those 50-70 games up
If there is change in that to try to lift the competitiveness of the side , who do you think you would chase , FA wize ( doubt you will want 28 year olds that you have to trade for)
Do you go after a player like Foley at Richmond , Chris Knights at the Crows ,Crowley at Freo or SJ at Geelong . All would add some experience and hardness to the side , helping the kids while easing the pain of getting those 50-70 games up
Sunny_
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I didn't get that at all, regarding him questioning bringing in so many kids. He said that was the strategy, and seemed to stand by it.
We will be chasing a mature body in the off-season, likely a Key Defender of some sort. Whether this be through Free Agency or Trade Week is up in the air. But due to the nature of our list and it being needed to downsize, we could only bring in the 1 player.
We have our own version of Knights in Danny Stanley. Stanley is, arguably, having the better career right now. Crowley seems unlikely since we already have the logjam with mids. So yeah.. KPD's is where its at, which is what the club has suggested. It seems that they're going to try and turn Bock into a full time KPF.
We will be chasing a mature body in the off-season, likely a Key Defender of some sort. Whether this be through Free Agency or Trade Week is up in the air. But due to the nature of our list and it being needed to downsize, we could only bring in the 1 player.
We have our own version of Knights in Danny Stanley. Stanley is, arguably, having the better career right now. Crowley seems unlikely since we already have the logjam with mids. So yeah.. KPD's is where its at, which is what the club has suggested. It seems that they're going to try and turn Bock into a full time KPF.
Are you actually going to get a guy who's got a locked in spot? I just can't see a guy like Ben Reid moving, when he's basically got it all in front of him at the Pies.
Surely your biggest carrot is opportunity - a much much better chance to get someone who isn't best 22 already; or is being pushed out. Specifically thinking Silvagni @ Freo (pushed out by Dawson), maybe Markovic @ Dogs (Austin/Williams/Lake will probably be preferred), and Crows have 2-3 of Thompson/Shaw/Otten missing out every week.
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Sunny_
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I think Reid would be the best one we could target, and who knows? He might be forced out if we can offer the right amount of coin. He'll be signing after Cloke and Beams, after all.
After that I would like Silvagni at Freo, for sure. Not sure how he's been pushed out by Dawson, as I certainly rate Silvagni higher, but not complaining here.
After that I would like Silvagni at Freo, for sure. Not sure how he's been pushed out by Dawson, as I certainly rate Silvagni higher, but not complaining here.
Will you actually have a big wad of salary cap space, though? Doesn't seem to be too many seniors (Fraser about it?) moving on; and the likes of Prestia/Gorringe/Swallow/Caddy won't be getting any cheaper.
Dawson must have photos!After that I would like Silvagni at Freo, for sure. Not sure how he's been pushed out by Dawson, as I certainly rate Silvagni higher, but not complaining here.
Sunny_
Brownlow Medallist
It's a good point. The removal of Krakouer and Fraser will free up some space. How much it is, I have no idea. The likely removal of Caddy and Toy will also give us a bit more breathing room, I would say. Prestia/Gorringe/Swallow and the other young guns are secured for a while yet, so I'm not worried about them. The club has said it wouldn't get any mature ager if it impeded on their contracts on anyrate. So if they managed to get Reid, I wouldn't be worried about the youngsters.
bballscout
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Yeah id take Silvagni in a heart beat. Wouldnt have to give up alot and salary not too high either.
Rate him ahead of Warnock imo and a better option than our current young kpp's.
Rate him ahead of Warnock imo and a better option than our current young kpp's.
Sunny_
Brownlow Medallist
Really cannot see it.
What would you offer as a trade for Reid?I think Reid would be the best one we could target, and who knows? He might be forced out if we can offer the right amount of coin. He'll be signing after Cloke and Beams, after all.
After that I would like Silvagni at Freo, for sure. Not sure how he's been pushed out by Dawson, as I certainly rate Silvagni higher, but not complaining here.
As he isn't any type of Free agent...
Sunny_
Brownlow Medallist
Not sure to be honest. I don't see enough Pies games to really judge what his worth. What would a Pies fan want for him? Caddy, Toy + 2nd rounder likely available.
We don't want anything, we love him. lol
All Australian, top 5 KPD in the comp & Number 8 Draft pick.
We don't need Midfielder like Caddy, good player but we are right in that department. Toy would play VFL every week at the pies. Hard to say, I think you guys will chase Tippet tbh.
I think targetting young players from Collingwood is the wrong idea, especially being the form they're in and where we are on the ladder. There's almost no interest for a guy like Reid who has a big career ahead of him in his home state (i believe).
When you look at it, short term we need experience, not youngsters like Reid and Beams. Reid debuted in the same year as Danny Stanley, back in 07. Takes time to develop. Whilst Silvagni would be a good long term prospect, getting wins on the board in the next year or two will require older footy brains.
Based on our team vs west coast and gws's team vs sydney last week, when comparing the two they had us covered in terms of experience through games played. Yes, we have injuries, and other teams have more experienced depth to provide cover, but without depth we seem like we aren't a year ahead of GWS.
While I'm sure we would love Beams and Reid on our side, realistically it isn't going to happen and it wouldn't be the right move. Even with our form, I think it'll be a struggle to attract even experienced fringe players from top 8 teams. I hope I'm wrong but perhaps the free-agency is the way to go.
When you look at it, short term we need experience, not youngsters like Reid and Beams. Reid debuted in the same year as Danny Stanley, back in 07. Takes time to develop. Whilst Silvagni would be a good long term prospect, getting wins on the board in the next year or two will require older footy brains.
Based on our team vs west coast and gws's team vs sydney last week, when comparing the two they had us covered in terms of experience through games played. Yes, we have injuries, and other teams have more experienced depth to provide cover, but without depth we seem like we aren't a year ahead of GWS.
While I'm sure we would love Beams and Reid on our side, realistically it isn't going to happen and it wouldn't be the right move. Even with our form, I think it'll be a struggle to attract even experienced fringe players from top 8 teams. I hope I'm wrong but perhaps the free-agency is the way to go.
Reidy is Victorian and from all reports Beams doesn't want to return to QLD, I think his brother is more of a chance of going south than Beams returning North.
I have a GC membership due to the MRS, and I think you are right. If you can pick up 2-3 quality mature players it will help with the development of a quality group of kids.
Tippet, Goddard are just 2 that would be worth a punt!
I actually think you're every chance of getting decent fringe players.
Most guys just want to play, if they're playing every week most other things fall into place. That's the lure, and it's a pretty good one. There's almost always a handful of guys around who are good enough, & probably deserve, to play every week, but for whatever reason aren't locked in. That's who you target.
Once they're in, it's pretty hard to dislodge them - ask yourself how many genuine 'best 22' guys ever move? {FWIW I suspect Boak & Caddy will both stay put}
bballscout
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Am I the only one who wants caddy to leave?
Lord_Flashheart
Chicken Twisty Epicurean
I'd prefer he didn't but I am getting frustrated giving time to a player that may in all likelihood leave us.
Its hard to know what to do as dropping him may affect his market value and to some degree we should take the high road and play our best team each week. If he still wants to leave an organisation theat has,
Drafted him
Tried to meet his needs in going home (without getting screwed)
Given him extended time at each Melbourne game to be with his family
Embraced him after the deal failed even though the Dad illness thing was vastly exaggerated
Respect his wishes to delay the negotiations and still allow him to play
well then I am not sure that he is a good fit for the culture we are trying to build anyway.
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Lord_Flashheart
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How much value will he lose? Would it be worth another pick down the ladder, 2, 5? How much more could we gain by blooding another player for those 10 games? There would be a few players that would stand up if given the chances he has and remain loyal.
Sunny_
Brownlow Medallist
You want him to leave? I think you might be the only one in that boat. If I had a choice, I'd rather he stay.
bballscout
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Cash him in when his currency is high. Would get something good in return and we have plenty of similar types like Prestia, rischa, swallow etc who can fill his void.
Also as time goes on we don't want the bulk of our team in that 1992 age bracket, can cause real issues.
In the draft we should simply go best available, while trade targets should be pick upgrades, a kpd in the 22-27 age bracket, a mid aged kph cheapish, and a combo mid/forward with good foot disposal and can rack up touches/kick goals.
Guys that spring to mind here are silvagni, white, and a beams type. Would also like to see us rookie urquart who is a qld ear and coming off norths list.
Also as time goes on we don't want the bulk of our team in that 1992 age bracket, can cause real issues.
In the draft we should simply go best available, while trade targets should be pick upgrades, a kpd in the 22-27 age bracket, a mid aged kph cheapish, and a combo mid/forward with good foot disposal and can rack up touches/kick goals.
Guys that spring to mind here are silvagni, white, and a beams type. Would also like to see us rookie urquart who is a qld ear and coming off norths list.
supernova_
Premiership Player
I imagine you are? But I think the disgruntledness is from the uncertainty. It's not uncommon for players to wait till end of the season, just with the twisted media distorting, and bigfooty saturation of the last 10-15 years ever increasing, it effects supporters and members even more.
If he had already re-signed, would you still want him to be traded?
supernova_
Premiership Player
You play benefit of the doubt at this stage and play your best 22.
Caddy is in our best 22, even with a full healthy list I still think he is in our best 22 without a doubt.
So I ask again
With Fraser's retirement who is going to ruck next year ?
Please don't say Smith Hickey Gorringe as that has been a crappy answer all year
With Fraser's retirement who is going to ruck next year ?
Please don't say Smith Hickey Gorringe as that has been a crappy answer all year