2012 SC Rucks

[Mofra]

minson or roughead. atm i'd say minson is in the box seat, roughy will need a big preseason to secure it[/quote

Cheers mate.
So, injury/form aside, Rough should play 22 games you reckon?
Seen him play in a praccy at Footscray against the Tiges last year or maybe 2010 and was impressed with his agility and coordination - I rate him.

Roughy will be battling Cordy as the no 2 ruck/forward option, with Minson taking no 1 duties. Cordy's form in the past two weeks means Roughy is no lock for 22 games, and Campbell off the rookie list looks fairly sharp too.

All in all I'd avoid Bulldog rucks for SC

 

[dlanod]

Prior to last year you didn't have a $110k starting ruck either.

You had a number of rookie priced rucks that got plenty of play time due to injury in 2009 and 2010 and none set the world alight. They did come prior to the ruck scoring boost implemented last year.

 

[thedaz47]

There's a gulf between mature-aged ruck with a reasonable frame and the job to himself (bar a bloke there as Sandilands fodder) and a kid standing in the forward pocket, and you know it.

 

[dlanod]

I'm talking Warnock (rookie priced a couple of years back after injury) and the like as well.

My point is basically that I've seen a lot of people say "hey Smith did this, this is what's going to happen again!" Smith is a freak. Giles is solid but he was having trouble winning taps against Minson on Saturday. Smith's success has no impact on what Giles can and can't do. From what's been said in the media, Brogan's been pencilled in for 11-16 games by the sounds of it so if you're looking for your second ruck to suffer depending on what the team fronts up as you're taking a bigger risk than I'm looking for.

 

[SydCrow]

Anyone considering Kreuzer and McIntosh?. Kreuzer I think (hope!) will stay in my team. McIntosh will make 100K and be upgraded when Cox or Sandilands get a little cheaper. It basically let's me run 4 premium guns back, mid and fwd.

I am also thinking this way

 

[Unknown Identity]

Who will be Port Adelaide's number 1 ruckman this season..?

Would i be correct in saying Brent Renouf..?

At $248K could easily average 70+ and make a nice amount of coin before upgrading to Sandi/Cox

 

[MightyMark]

Who will be Port Adelaide's number 1 ruckman this season..?

Would i be correct in saying Brent Renouf..?

At $248K could easily average 70+ and make a nice amount of coin before upgrading to Sandi/Cox

If your only expecting him to have a 70 odd average, probably better off going with Giles, and saving 120k straight up.
You should be hoping for better from your starting rucks though, save the upgardes for somewhere else, chances are there are only going to be 5 or 6 ruckmen averaging over a ton anyways, they are easer to pick than the mids, forwards or backs. May as well have them from the start.

 

[Super Gusto]

Kreuzer: 926 points in 2011. High risk. He has never scored that well. He is yet to show top form since his injury, and he is not assured of a high scoring ruck position. I'm sorry, but Kreuzer is too big a risk. If you are a believer then you can go for it, but I'd wait and see in the first few round before you commit to an expensive hope.

Thanks for the summary lamaros.

I had Kreuzer as a lock for my 2nd ruck until I read this.

The past couple of supercoach seasons Ive had success locking and leaving my rucks but this year it is doing my head in.

I'm still considering Kreuzer (he did score a 150 in his second game back last year and he is 200K less than Mumford) but as you have pointed out he is a big risk. If only he was also listed as a forward/ruck then I'd be prepared to take the risk.

 

[Piciocco]

Thoughts on Smith?

 

[thedaz47]

Comes from my town and I was well and truly on board last year (see post above), but there's much better value elsewhere.

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

I cannot split Cox and Sandilands as my 2nd ruck. I really don't see any reason that both can't average 110+.

Eagles will be very good again and IMO freo are on the rise.

Both kick goals when forward. FWIW I have Mummy as 1st ruck at the moment.

 

[MightyMark]

I cannot split Cox and Sandilands as my 2nd ruck. I really don't see any reason that both can't average 110+.

Eagles will be very good again and IMO freo are on the rise.

Both kick goals when forward. FWIW I have Mummy as 1st ruck at the moment.

Cant go past Cox, he doesnt look like he will be stepping aside for NicNat anytime soon, dominated Sandi in the NAB cup game, and has the very important added bonus of being without an injury cloud.

Didnt have him originally but he looked awesome in the NAB cup, fairly certain only Mumford will be challenging him as number 1 ruck, and only if he gets through the season without getting injured.

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

Cant go past Cox, he doesnt look like he will be stepping aside for NicNat anytime soon, dominated Sandi in the NAB cup game, and has the very important added bonus of being without an injury cloud.

Didnt have him originally but he looked awesome in the NAB cup, fairly certain only Mumford will be challenging him as number 1 ruck, and only if he gets through the season without getting injured.

Some good points there mate I wasn't aware Cox dominated Sandi.

After Nic Nat scored well last year and Cox obviously killed it being in the same team I can't understand people saying Cox's scores will suffer this year.

Sure Nic Nat MIGHT get more ruck time this year but Cox is so good around the ground I don't think his scores will suffer at all.

 

[_Gazza_]

Some good points there mate I wasn't aware Cox dominated Sandi.

After Nic Nat scored well last year and Cox obviously killed it being in the same team I can't understand people saying Cox's scores will suffer this year.

Sure Nic Nat MIGHT get more ruck time this year but Cox is so good around the ground I don't think his scores will suffer at all.

i'll play the objective role just to help out with your decision process

firstly, yep cox looked way better than sandilands in that nab cup setting and imo is less of an injury worry

if i had to pick a reason why cox's scores may decrease a little i'd personally put it down to the emergence of other rucks in the opposition rather than purely nic nat. sandilands isnt the only ruck option going around who can challenge cox, you now have the goldstiens and leuenbergers coming into their own.

overall i still expect cox to score highly however his average from last year will be hard to maintain. As such, despite his scoring potential i believe cox is overpriced and could easily be picked up for a cheaper price. This is the reason i also believe so many teams atm include giles, kruezer, mcenvoy etc as the #2 ruckman. These guys look set to score well so at the start of the season you can make some quick cash and then pick up cox as his pric dropd. if cox and mumford both stay fit i think they'll be the main ruck combo by years end

hope this helps, just my opinion formed after considering your question so i could be way off target with my thinking, let me know what you think

 

[MightyMark]

i'll play the objective role just to help out with your decision process

firstly, yep cox looked way better than sandilands in that nab cup setting and imo is less of an injury worry

if i had to pick a reason why cox's scores may decrease a little i'd personally put it down to the emergence of other rucks in the opposition rather than purely nic nat. sandilands isnt the only ruck option going around who can challenge cox, you now have the goldstiens and leuenbergers coming into their own.

overall i still expect cox to score highly however his average from last year will be hard to maintain. As such, despite his scoring potential i believe cox is overpriced and could easily be picked up for a cheaper price. This is the reason i also believe so many teams atm include giles, kruezer, mcenvoy etc as the #2 ruckman. These guys look set to score well so at the start of the season you can make some quick cash and then pick up cox as his pric dropd. if cox and mumford both stay fit i think they'll be the main ruck combo by years end

hope this helps, just my opinion formed after considering your question so i could be way off target with my thinking, let me know what you think

To further this discussion...

I agree, can’t see Cox maintaining his 122 point average but one would assume he will easily maintain over 110 ensuring he remains amongst the top ranked ruckmen. Whilst NicNat may enjoy longer stints as a ruckmen, Cox has shown in previous years his ability to find the ball around the ground and act as a link player, very rare among ruckmen.

Sandilands will continue to rely on his size to win the ball, but seems to be lacking the mobility he had during 2010 and the first part of last season. With the emergence of Clarke and Griffin, and the fact Lyon assured Griffin of game time, logic would stipulate that Sandilands will be playing less time in the ruck. Given the bulk of his scores come from getting 50 taps a game, his scores will suffer unless he plays predominately as a ruckmen like he has in previous years. Nothing against Sandilands, but with his injury concerns, and quality back up, the safer option seems the better option for Freo.

I currently have Mumford as my number 1, hoping he will go injury free (fingers crossed) and am toying with the idea of Kreuzer, don’t really want to have 2 injury prone players filling my rucks but if Mumford stays on the park he will be one of the top 2 or 3 ruckmen, and my gut is telling me Kreuzer is worth a shot. Really want Cox, but finances don’t allow it at the moment, but there is every chance I’ll move things around to get him if he plays like he did in the NAB cup.

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

i'll play the objective role just to help out with your decision process

firstly, yep cox looked way better than sandilands in that nab cup setting and imo is less of an injury worry

if i had to pick a reason why cox's scores may decrease a little i'd personally put it down to the emergence of other rucks in the opposition rather than purely nic nat. sandilands isnt the only ruck option going around who can challenge cox, you now have the goldstiens and leuenbergers coming into their own.

overall i still expect cox to score highly however his average from last year will be hard to maintain. As such, despite his scoring potential i believe cox is overpriced and could easily be picked up for a cheaper price. This is the reason i also believe so many teams atm include giles, kruezer, mcenvoy etc as the #2 ruckman. These guys look set to score well so at the start of the season you can make some quick cash and then pick up cox as his pric dropd. if cox and mumford both stay fit i think they'll be the main ruck combo by years end

hope this helps, just my opinion formed after considering your question so i could be way off target with my thinking, let me know what you think

That makes a lot of sense gazza in relation to opposition rucks becoming better players etc and there is no doubt Cox will struggle to keep his price (another good point).

Like many other teams I'm very tempted to have kreuzer as 2nd ruck, can see him scoring quite well but from past experience it really pays to have 2 premium rucks from the start.

If nothing else you have made my decision easier pointing out about Sandi's injury woe's.

Rucks are going to be a point of difference for a lot of teams this year that's for sure.

 

[cdonny]

Just made my team, has no rucks over 200K - I'm taking a MASSIVE risk, but am confident in their ability.
Last year I had Smith and Petrie for the whole year and finished in the top 0%, around 1300ish, so I'm gonna try my weak ruck game again.
It gives me more cash to load up the other lines and hopefully make up the difference in points, if not make more points

 

[Impromptu]

Rucks are going to be a point of difference for a lot of teams this year that's for sure.

Agree completely....

Will probably stick to 2 or 4 rookies...

All or nothing

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

I like the idea of trusting either Giles or Stephensen to average around 80-90 and therefore only go with the one premium ruck to begin with. For me that ruck is Nicnat, he is the guy with the highest ceiling and a player I can see scoring massive scores of over 150. He will also play ruck rover a bit while Cox is in the ruck so he will have the oppurtunity to get lots of points around the stoppages.

So thats Naitanui, Giles, Stephensen and Rowe for me.

My second choice for my lone ruck would be Luenberger, so ill keep an eye on him if Nicnat isn't showing up in the preseason.

 

[MightyMark]

Agree completely....

Will probably stick to 2 or 4 rookies...

All or nothing

Being a little facetious there

 

[nameless]

For me Cox is really one of the only ruckmen capable of multiple MASSIVE scores.

Luey, McEvoy etc are capable of solid 100+ but i still find Cox is the best bet at racking up some Captain-worthy games.

Last year I'm pretty sure he had a game or two where he was subbed - so is he undervalued??

 

[MightyMark]

For me Cox is really one of the only ruckmen capable of multiple MASSIVE scores.

Luey, McEvoy etc are capable of solid 100+ but i still find Cox is the best bet at racking up some Captain-worthy games.

Last year I'm pretty sure he had a game or two where he was subbed - so is he undervalued??

Not undervalued, his price will drop at points through out the year but he should finish as one of the top 2 ruckmen.

 

[Falchoon]

For me Cox is really one of the only ruckmen capable of multiple MASSIVE scores.

Luey, McEvoy etc are capable of solid 100+ but i still find Cox is the best bet at racking up some Captain-worthy games.

Last year I'm pretty sure he had a game or two where he was subbed - so is he undervalued??

130+ last year - he had 1 more than Mumford.

 

[mike1234]

Who would do better this year as a second ruck
Sandi , krezuer , maric

i got cox as first ruck

 

[MightyMark]

Who would do better this year as a second ruck
Sandi , krezuer , maric

i got cox as first ruck

If you can afford Sandi, then you could probably afford Mumford, and can definitely afford Berger, so go with one of them