Opinion 2013 afl draft day discussion thread

[Sanders]

The thing is I wasn't even thinking of our board when I posted that. I just don't believe we can judge whether Port paid too much when we haven't seen either player play in Port colours yet. That's not a positive or a negative but a dose of reality for those that are trying to find positives out of nothing. If that makes me negative then I'm confused.

No you're right.

There was nothing confusing about your post, and it plainly had nothing to do with the board

Incidentally I don't entirely agree with you, although I think your point is fair & valid.

We have no way of knowing how Port's picks will turn out, and ragging on them is wishful thinking.

That being said, from where we stand today (knowing it will change in future) just as of right now? I'd not be too comfortable with that deal.

The only thing we can do is look at the value perceived or otherwise at this moment and I don't love it. Doesn't feel quite right,

 

[Sanders]

Scharenberg didn't sound all that enthusiastic about going to the Pies.

Not sure about that. A dream result for him

You think he'd prefer to have gone to brisbane or melbourne instead?

 

[Mattrox]

Anyone suggesting Port paid too much for Polec before he plays a game is just trying to make themselves feel better for us losing out.

That's crap. I said before the trade period that a pick in the 30's was fair for someone who has had different injuries to the extent that he's played 16 games in 3 years and prevented him from doing a full preseason. There should be genuine questions about his durability.

I stand behind what I said before that 14 was paying overs.

 

[cmndstab]

Recall Rowie wetting himself in the lead up to our first pick, and did not seem to have any idea at all about any Port's players - couldn't say much about Impey when he was drafted, ant it also came as somewhat of a revelation that Harvey was related to Matt Rendell. Probably the most cringeworthy part was them interviewing Kade Kolodjashnij, completely missing that his twin brother was being drafted as they were talking.

Can't recall if they spoke to Aish, but Scharenberg didn't sound all that enthusiastic about going to the Pies.

The best part of that pick was Rowe exclaiming that Impey "came out of NOWHERE! NOBODY mentioned him in the lead-up to the draft!" and then McDermott cited the AFL phantom draft that had Impey going earlier than Port's pick

Scharenberg just sounded kind of thick. I don't think he was unenthusiastic as much as he just sounded like he was uncomfortable doing a radio interview.

 

[cmndstab]

That's crap. I said before the trade period that a pick in the 30's was fair for someone who has had different injuries to the extent that he's played 16 games in 3 years and prevented him from doing a full preseason. There should be genuine questions about his durability.

I stand behind what I said before that 14 was paying overs.

They didn't give up pick 14. They downgraded the pick. There's a massive, massive difference.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Lets see how best vs needs go with Freo

Fremantle passed on a host of good mids to use its pick 17 to pick up what many experts believe to be the 3rd or 4th best tall in the draft

It's ok to address needs however when you do this and pass on better players than you put your list at risk talent wise

 

[Paladin]

They didn't give up pick 14. They downgraded the pick. There's a massive, massive difference.

You could look at it as giving up 14 and upgrading 34.

Or downgrading 14 and giving up 34.

Either way Polec was very costly compared to Yeo and Docherty who have shown far more.

 

[Elite Crow]

That's crap. I said before the trade period that a pick in the 30's was fair for someone who has had different injuries to the extent that he's played 16 games in 3 years and prevented him from doing a full preseason. There should be genuine questions about his durability.

I stand behind what I said before that 14 was paying overs.

As Stabby pointed out that got 21 back which is now Impey. Let's see how Impey goes before we judge if it's a poor trade, suggest we also wait to see how Polec goes under Ports program.

 

[Mattrox]

They didn't give up pick 14. They downgraded the pick. There's a massive, massive difference.

They gave up the advantage that pick 14 gives you. They you missed every player that went between 14 and 21. And despite what the Port guy says, it smells like they took Impey because he wouldn't be there at their next pick. With 14 I doubt they would have still picked him.

I'm with Sanders on this, I'd be very uncomfortable if I were a Port supporter.

 

[Mattrox]

As Stabby pointed out that got 21 back which is now Impey. Let's see how Impey goes before we judge if it's a poor trade, suggest we also wait to see how Polec goes under Ports program.

What was crap, was the claim that the only reason to critcise the trade was to make myself feel better. I was wary of Polec's value from the get go.

I do agree it may work out for Port but they paid a premium for it. If it doesn't. ......

 

[Elite Crow]

What was crap, was the claim that the only reason to critcise the trade was to make myself feel better. I was wary of Polec's value from the get go.

I do agree it may work out for Port but they paid a premium for it. If it doesn't. ......

I then corrected my post later and stated I might have exaggerated. But there has been an element of criticising the trade out of bitterness.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Well Rowie said (for the third year running) Port had the steal of the draft. Not sure which kid, but calling "steals" is so stupid.

Rowie is a dolt, plain and simple. #20-#30 was where I expected Impey to end up.

 

[cmndstab]

You could look at it as giving up 14 and upgrading 34.

Or downgrading 14 and giving up 34.

Either way Polec was very costly compared to Yeo and Docherty who have shown far more.

I'd generally look at which pick the replacement pick was closest to. 34 to 21 is a big upgrade, 14 down to 21 is a relatively small downgrade.

Hard to know at this stage as both are speculative, but from the (very) little I know, if you had told me we would trade pick 14 and 34 for Polec and Impey, I'd be reasonably happy with that. Not over the moon, but fairly satisfied.

Look at it this way - presumably Port rate Impey over Crouch. Would you be happy with picks 14 and 34 for Crouch and Polec? Because I sure as hell would.

 

[cmndstab]

Rowie is a dolt, plain and simple. #20-#30 was where I expected Impey to end up.

He can't have been talking about Impey, as far as he is concerned Impey is an unknown that Port plucked from total obscurity. The opposite of a "steal".

 

[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

Rowie would say so & so is a steal.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

He can't have been talking about Impey, as far as he is concerned Impey is an unknown that Port plucked from total obscurity. The opposite of a "steal".

Impey at #21 was on a number of Phantom drafts ......WRF about under the radar

Far from it .....if the Adelaide pair bothered to do any research b4 they go to air ...they wouldn't make the embarrassing gaffs that they do

 

[Allefgib]

Lets see how best vs needs go with Freo

Fremantle passed on a host of good mids to use its pick 17 to pick up what many experts believe to be the 3rd or 4th best tall in the draft

It's ok to address needs however when you do this and pass on better players than you put your list at risk talent wise

That doesn't sound like Lyon...

 

[Hank93]

Where Jarman Impey was placed/taken in various phantom drafts:

Chris25 #18
Twomey #20
Snoop Dog #25
Knightmare #25
KP #29
Brett Anderson #32
BF Phantom Draft #33
Quigley #48

 

[FAITH]

 

[Apsaalooke]

He can't have been talking about Impey, as far as he is concerned Impey is an unknown that Port plucked from total obscurity. The opposite of a "steal".

To be fair to Rowey, I heard that and he was talking about pick 68 Karl Amon being possibly the steal of the draft. Still a stretch mind you.

 

[fabs33]

I'm not sure I agree entirely with the notion that we need to wait to see how a draftee selected with a pick gained in a trade turns out in order to be able to judge the value of the trade itself. The way I see it, the value of a pick is in the overall talent pool still available for a club to choose from and not in who the club actually chooses. Consider this hypothetical for example, if we had traded Graham for Melbourne's pick 2 and subsequently drafted a spud with that pick who was worse than Graham would that have diminished the value of the trade? In the case of the Polec trade I would suggest that to better judge whether it was good or not we'd need to compare it with the other trades made by Brisbane in the same trade period, whilst also taking into account whether the players Port missed out on between picks 14 and 20 would be of better value to them than who they got at pick 21. As it stands I think Port payed more than it should have to gain Polec considering it had to part ways with a first round pick, something other clubs weren't required to do to gain players from Brisbane who were rated similarily if not better than Polec, furthermore pick 14 would have enabled Port to pick a McCarthy who would have addressed a more difficult to address position.

 

[Bailey01]

Dunno why port were so hot on Impey...