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List Mgmt. 2013 draft and trading

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My understanding is that Anderson didn't want to come here. No point making a kid play where he doesn't want to. You won't get the best out of them and you'll lose them at the first available moment.

Neede has been impressive but with both Anderson and Neede, who are you going to drop to make room for them? Neede is a small forward. So what, you want to get rid of Devon Smith to put him in the 22? Who's spot does Anderson take?

Good luck to the young kids, they are finding a home and playing some good footy. I'm happy with who we've got going forward.
 
Happy with Gilham but it was an odd trade for us especially as if we had of acted earlier in the trade period we could of gotten Gilham as a uncontracted player. Anyway the trade was:

GWS traded: Anderson, pick 29 &68, and we got Gilham, pick 28 & 65.

Or maybe this was just the side deal so the hawks won't match our offer for buddy ;)
 
Good point noodle. The players we have a superior to neade/Anderson/Barry. We are pretty much fully stocked in terms of key forwards, small/medium forwards, flankers, midfielders, small/medium defenders. What we severly lack is quality ruck depth and KPDs. I've said it alot but we need a player like Alex rance/frawley and NN. Another skinny kid in the draft that won't be ready for 3-4 years is not what we need. This is the year to make the play to complete the team. As far as I'm concerned we need to only hang onto 1 first round pick wether it's our first pick or the compo. Then trade heavily for the missing peices.
 

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Andrew Phillips and Tom Downie are the other developing GWS ruckmen behind Jonathan Giles, but Sheedy says bringing in a big-name ruck option is a key focus for next season.

"We'll be looking at a top-class ruckman somewhere and we've obviously got enough draft picks that we can share around with the trading that we've done," Sheedy said.

"We'll trade for an A-grade ruckman."
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Please be Natanui, Please be Natanui!
 
Hey GWS fans, wondering what you guys think of Zac Clarke?

Solid ruckman, isn't great up forward but can play a good game as the No.1 ruckman.

Like Naitanui he's athletic compared to most ruckmen, plus he would cost you a hell of a lot less.

Rumours have been swirling he wants to go home for a while, NSW is a lot closer to Vic than WA at least.

He is out of contract this year btw.
 
Andy Brennan said:
Hey GWS fans, wondering what you guys think of Zac Clarke?

Solid ruckman, isn't great up forward but can play a good game as the No.1 ruckman.

Like Naitanui he's athletic compared to most ruckmen, plus he would cost you a hell of a lot less.

Rumours have been swirling he wants to go home for a while, NSW is a lot closer to Vic than WA at least.

He is out of contract this year btw.
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Zac Clarke might be cheaper than NicNat but there's a reason for that. Plus NicNat is far more marketable than Clarke and he was born in Penrith, so the whole, homegrown talent thing comes into play. Even at the extra price tag I think NicNat is a far superior option.
 
Ichabod Noodle said:
Zac Clarke might be cheaper than NicNat but there's a reason for that. Plus NicNat is far more marketable than Clarke and he was born in Penrith, so the whole, homegrown talent thing comes into play. Even at the extra price tag I think NicNat is a far superior option.
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Tbh I doubt the eagles would let him go. They'll throw everything they've got to keep his palm tree hair in WA.
 
Yeah, with Cox getting close to retirement, WC are probably going to throw the kitchen sink at NicNat to try and keep him.
 
Hi everyone, I just thought I'd ask what you feel is a decent trade for Sumner, assuming he wants to come home to Melbourne? At the time of the draft, it was very widely accepted amongst private parties "in the know" (who I won't name, but you'll have to trust me that these people are very well informed) that he was taken as currency for a future trade, as opposed to a long-term player.

So, if he remained out of contract and the Saints went after him at the end of this year, what would you consider a fair offer? We'll probably end up with a top 10 pick, which the club wouldn't be overly keen on using, as it'd be our first top 10 in a long time, unless there's a great offer involved. Are there any of our players that you'd be keen on that would also be realistically traceable (i.e either fringe or senior players as our really good young players are few and far between)?
 

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Sumner being a top 10 pick would require a top 10 pick in return but those in the know over in the gws camp can tell u he loves the club and even helps the cheer squad with banners etc. I'm assuming he will receive a contract extension offer once he reaches consistent form due to lost time with injury last year.
 
Caddy went from pick 7 to a compo pick so average it around pick 11 (as well as pick 55).

Assuming Sumner follows, pick 10 might drop to mid-teens.

But given the huge number of "rumoured" leaving players that have re-signed, I believe your sources only at the end of the year. Until then, they're as laughable as UTG and co's Tyson-related BS.
 
Do you still have the rights to uncontracted players? If so how many and for how long?

Because apart from the ability , I cant really see NicNat getting to GWS. I doubt P1 or a fringe player would tempt WC

Your club must have had some long term idea for ruckman , having over looked players like Longer , I'm surprised they will now trade heavily for one. To move NicNat would cost Millions and would cost players of Conigllios level , maybe 2 off.
 
dlanod said:
Caddy went from pick 7 to a compo pick so average it around pick 11 (as well as pick 55).

Assuming Sumner follows, pick 10 might drop to mid-teens.

But given the huge number of "rumoured" leaving players that have re-signed, I believe your sources only at the end of the year. Until then, they're as laughable as UTG and co's Tyson-related BS.
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I don't have anyone telling me that he wants to come home; it's just what was said back when he was drafted.
 
Turbocat said:
Do you still have the rights to uncontracted players? If so how many and for how long?

Because apart from the ability , I cant really see NicNat getting to GWS. I doubt P1 or a fringe player would tempt WC

Your club must have had some long term idea for ruckman , having over looked players like Longer , I'm surprised they will now trade heavily for one. To move NicNat would cost Millions and would cost players of Conigllios level , maybe 2 off.
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No longer have rights to uncontracted players so like everyone else its either free agency or trading. And no doubt NicNat wouldn't come cheap and given that he is contracted until 2014 it would take something like two 1st rounders and cogs for west coast to even consider it. But that said its highly unlikely to happen,
 

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There's no doubt that a player like NN would cost the world but it's the price that needs to be paid to expand the gws fan base. Warnock, jamar, Clarke, these players will be solid but crowds won't flock to watch them.. They will however come in droves to watch the human highlight reel that is NN. His contract salary won't be the issue, no doubt the afl will most likely subsidize his salary as a marketing thing. The hard part is coming up with the offer that will make west coast part with arguably the possible greatest ruckman ever.
 
Very early days but if we end up not trading our first pick in the draft (likely to be pick 1 or 2) here are a couple of the guys we might look at:

Aish should be one of the first few players picked in the national draft. That's because, last year, he started in Norwood's senior side, stayed there and played in a premiership at age 16.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/aish-up-for-any-challenge-20130416-2hydn.html#ixzz2QjnjDwcX
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Josh Kelly would be attached to an AFL team already had things turned out differently at the end of last season.
The teenager spoke to a handful of clubs, went to the draft combine and tested better than many of the other players.
Had a club other than Melbourne or Gold Coast prised a pick in the 17-year-old mini-draft from Greater Western Sydney, he might have been chosen instead of Jack Martin or Jesse Hogan.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/just-17-kellys-day-will-come-20130327-2gun1.html#ixzz2QjnqWYJJ
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Do we need another midfielder? I would personally prefer a kpp with pick 1. Unfortunately there are no NN clones or any ruckman of extreme quality in this years draft according to chris25 and knightmare. Boyd is who we should target. Yes we have alot of key forwards but pattons knees are a worry and would hate to have morabito v2. What's stopping Boyd from potentially becoming a gun KPD? And in regards to aish, we seem to only draft Victorians so doubt a south Australian would be our priority eg toumpas/Grundy
 
You guys should be tripping over trying to get a deal done for the uncontracted James Frawley. The guy is clearly a gem and have heard from several sources now he isn't happy at the Demons. Who could blame him.

In terms of rucks, I honestly couldn't see you getting Naitanui. I think his loyalty will remain at the Eagles and as I said in the other thread, he'll cost you more that he's worth, which is more than anything I've seen listed so far.

You have to look at it from the Eagles point of view - Cox is getting on, and whilst he can still contribute he isn't the ruckman he once was. So, Naita's stocks rise. He's a freak. Stocks rise. etc etc.

So, the trade mentioned before -

Pick 1 - good starting point.
second rounder - you're probably losing them at this point, although they may stay interested.
Ugle - list clogger, they'll laugh and walk away. Would Ugle replace anyone in their best 22? Where would he fit in their next Premiership assault?

Personally I just think you're better off going after a ruck like a Jon Ceglar or maybe even a Mark Jamar. Big lads who've been around a while, and won't cost you 6 future stars to bring to the club.
 
Yeah the 2nd rounder and ugle was way off and the consensus seems to be pick 1, cogs and pick 20? Depending on PP/compo picks. An offer like that would make west coast at least think about it. As for jamar/ ceglar, why trade for them when we can pull an equivalent from the state leagues, what we want and need is a genuine star to attract crowds and win games. Jamar and ceglar types provide neither. As for frawley I would absolutely love him in the orange or rance.
 
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Yeah the 2nd rounder and ugle was way off and the consensus seems to be pick 1, cogs and pick 20? Depending on PP/compo picks. An offer like that would make west coast at least think about it. As for jamar/ ceglar, why trade for them when we can pull an equivalent from the state leagues, what we want and need is a genuine star to attract crowds and win games. Jamar and ceglar types provide neither. As for frawley I would absolutely love him in the orange or rance.
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Yeah I still don't know about that, West Coast are losing (arguably) the #1 ruckman in the league for two picks and a player that won't develop for a few years at least. I just couldn't see the club or Naitanui agreeing to it.

I get what you're saying mate, but sometimes you have to make do with what you can sustainably find. I'd love Naitanui at Hawthorn too, and Fyfe and Dangerfield would be lovely. But realistically none of those players will be joining the club. Why not go after a Jon Griffin or a Matthew Warnock? Again they aren't bonafide stars but they're ready made, season ready big men, capable of getting through. All well and good to want stars everywhere, but it's not viable in terms of the long-term future of the club.

Frawley > Rance in terms of key position defence, Rance > Frawley in terms of rebound. Right now you probably need to worry about key position, and also the fact that Chip is a free agent means you could get him for zip.
 
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