2013 Draft Discussion

[cotter101]

After the last couple of years, I am very cautious to put too much stock in draft rankings before the champs, particularly of the big blokes. Guys like Elton and Shaw went into the champs with big reputations, didn't dominate and then were on a fast slide for the rest of the year. Meanwhile, someone like Jaksch goes from 2nd round calcs up into the top 12.

So while there are only a couple of names on the table right now in terms of KPPs, there's some chance that will change come July/August and then obviously again as the draft approaches.

Great post. People get carried away way to early when it comes to drafting.

Guys like Chris25 and Knightmare do the first round of their phantom drafts to let posters have an idea of potential high picks and just to throw some names out there.

As we get closer to the draft(which is still ages away) Posters will get a better idea of who will slide down the rankings, and who will rise up them.

In terms of KPP's. They usually come out of their shell in their last two years of junior football. So expect a few KPP's to come from nowhere as we get further into the season.

 

[thoselionslads]

Qld vs Calder at Yeronga this Saturday for those interested.

 

[Cousin Jed]

As in the footy factory?

 

[thoselionslads]

Yeah

 

[Harris Specter]

Interesting to think that we passed Spencer White in the 2012 draft. No regrets that we've got Paparone, but perhaps Spencer could have been that huge tall forward?

He's seriously put on muscle in the space of 4 months.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I reckon the club sat down and really thought about where the game was going in a few years. Talk of interchange caps, 2/2 interchange/sub system, less physicality in marking contests, forwards have to run more than ever before...

In light of that, I reckon they thought a player of Paparone's attributes would go much earlier than a mid twenties pick in a future draft as the game evolves. Paps has already started to win us over but it will take a few years before we really see what an inspired, forward-thinking pick this was. All going to plan, he will be a prototype modern tall forward in 2017.

On AFL Insider they will say "How do you stop Marco Paparone late in games? He just keeps running, running, running, presenting up field for those linking marks and then doubling back inside 50 to present again. You can't put a small on him because he has them covered for size and he'll drag them back to the goalsquare, and you can't put a tall on him, because they just can't stay with him Kingy!"

 

[greendiesel]

Paparone = Mini Buddy

 

[Hollow Knight]

Paparone = Mini Buddy

Could be our Adam Goodes in that he is essentially a key position size midfielder that could be a nightmare for oppositions to match up on. Hurts you in the midfield and hurts you up forward.

 

[POBT]

I reckon the club sat down and really thought about where the game was going in a few years. Talk of interchange caps, 2/2 interchange/sub system, less physicality in marking contests, forwards have to run more than ever before...

In light of that, I reckon they thought a player of Paparone's attributes would go much earlier than a mid twenties pick in a future draft as the game evolves. Paps has already started to win us over but it will take a few years before we really see what an inspired, forward-thinking pick this was. All going to plan, he will be a prototype modern tall forward in 2017.

On AFL Insider they will say "How do you stop Marco Paparone late in games? He just keeps running, running, running, presenting up field for those linking marks and then doubling back inside 50 to present again. You can't put a small on him because he has them covered for size and he'll drag them back to the goalsquare, and you can't put a tall on him, because they just can't stay with him Kingy!"

Fairly sure there were question marks on Spencer White's endurance too which creates an even greater distinction between the two. The talented freak with average endurance v the mobile workhorse with elite endurance.

Last year had that big run of KPPs and rucks in the late first round/early second round. All bar one of the live picks between 23 (Paparone) and 33 (McBean) went on a KPP/ruck type. I am not convinced that there was a clear consensus pecking order in that group - obviously certain clubs preferred certain types and certain players.

It is worth noting that St Kilda had already picked up a wide ranging, mobile KPP in Lee and a ruck-forward type in Hickey. White would appear to be a good fit alongside those 2, at least in terms of "type".

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I reckon the club sat down and really thought about where the game was going in a few years. Talk of interchange caps, 2/2 interchange/sub system, less physicality in marking contests, forwards have to run more than ever before....

Until the AFL change the rules again, under pressure from other clubs.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Until the AFL change the rules again, under pressure from other clubs.

Hehe, guess we took a calculated risk. I still think Paparone's attributes will leave him decently placed either way.

 

[Quigley]

I was chatting with a guy from one of clubs and noting that we had been recruiting runners the last few years anticipating that they would be able to run the game out better. His comment was that his club had taken a different approach and recruited inside players because he thought the game would slow down and there would be more contests and that generally getting first use of the ball would be important and reduce the amount of defensive running that was needed.

Personally I think both sides are a bit out of balance atm.

 

[Bert Man]

I was chatting with a guy from one of clubs and noting that we had been recruiting runners the last few years anticipating that they would be able to run the game out better. His comment was that his club had taken a different approach and recruited inside players because he thought the game would slow down and there would be more contests and that generally getting first use of the ball would be important and reduce the amount of defensive running that was needed.

Personally I think both sides are a bit out of balance atm.

I'm taking an uneducated guess, but would we have also recruit players believing they could spread from the contest well?

 

[PTizzle]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-30/southern-clubs-in-mix-for-top-queenslanders

This is an amazing piece of spin. I love how they're selling the academies as a good thing for non-Qld clubs because it happens to coincide with the removal of the Qld zone for the Gold Coast, so in theory all these clubs can have access to these players (barely a handful of which were drafted each year) or we have to pay a fair price via father/son-style bidding... except we never had access to a zone before and the Gold Coast has only had a zone for three (?) years. It's favourable spin, but my, what spin.

Cheers for bringing this up, it was a shocker. I had to check online that they hadn't changed the rules because it basically made it sound like we'd be getting no advantage in having a crack at Conway and co. Weird article.

After the last couple of years, I am very cautious to put too much stock in draft rankings before the champs, particularly of the big blokes. Guys like Elton and Shaw went into the champs with big reputations, didn't dominate and then were on a fast slide for the rest of the year. Meanwhile, someone like Jaksch goes from 2nd round calcs up into the top 12.

So while there are only a couple of names on the table right now in terms of KPPs, there's some chance that will change come July/August and then obviously again as the draft approaches.

Don't forget around this time last year a lot of draft placements had Grundy going top 3 (I heard a lot about him going second) and he dropped a heap, that was the one that stuck with me.

I was chatting with a guy from one of clubs and noting that we had been recruiting runners the last few years anticipating that they would be able to run the game out better. His comment was that his club had taken a different approach and recruited inside players because he thought the game would slow down and there would be more contests and that generally getting first use of the ball would be important and reduce the amount of defensive running that was needed.

Personally I think both sides are a bit out of balance atm.

There's definitely argument for both but I think you got it right at the end there - just need to find the balance. I hope we strike it too, we might need a real clearance mid in the younger bracket but I think we have nearly enough 'slower' hard at it types, probably just need another 1-2 to ice it off. I like the way the club has recruited recently, always excited on draft day with our staff in charge and I'm intrigued to see what'll happen late this year.

 

[pauldrc]

If there was a Wines clone available at our first pick, I'd suggest we may well take him over a tall....

 

[Hollow Knight]

If there was a Wines clone available at our first pick, I'd suggest we may well take him over a tall....

Because of the Conway factor, I would be surprised if we did that, unless that player was best available by an absolute mile..

 

[POBT]

Because of the Conway factor, I would be surprised if we did that, unless that player was best available by an absolute mile..

Yeah, I think the club is very cognisant of the Academy lads and not just Conway and Tickner either.

It wouldn't surprise me if we end up having a pretty boring draft. We might have a live first pick with rest promised to Academy players or upgraded rookies.

 

[irel]

Yeah, I think the club is very cognisant of the Academy lads and not just Conway and Tickner either.

It wouldn't surprise me if we end up having a pretty boring draft. We might have a live first pick with rest promised to Academy players or upgraded rookies.

The draft may be pretty boring for us as you point out but the list management aspect will be anything but boring. Making room for rookie upgrades and academy drafting may mean some severe cuts to the primary list. Good players may be traded or cut just to make some space on the list.

 

[dlanod]

Yeah, I think the club is very cognisant of the Academy lads and not just Conway and Tickner either.

It wouldn't surprise me if we end up having a pretty boring draft. We might have a live first pick with rest promised to Academy players or upgraded rookies.

I'd love that if true, assuming the club gets their talent recognition right.

 

[POBT]

I'd love that if true, assuming the club gets their talent recognition right.

If we are forced to use a high draft pick on any academy player, I won't complain. It will mean at least one other club rates the talent we have at our disposal. For me, it would be brilliant if any of Conway, Tickner, Gribble etc have a great champs, even if it does mean we pay a higher price.

 

[steveys]

Dont think we'd get a top 3 pick but wouldnt it be great to get young Boyd down at the club

 

[Quigley]

Dont think we'd get a top 3 pick but wouldnt it be great to get young Boyd down at the club

Yes it would be great but it won't happen unfortunately.

Personally I think Crouch should be the guy we target. He and Conway in the one year could transform our inside weakness into a strength.

 

[Offsider]

Boyd and Aish will probably go higher than where we pick, for mine they are the clear cut numbers 1 and 2 picks. Personally I like Matt Scharenberg from SA at this stage, he is a tallish mid/utility type at 191cm and has the ability to play as a key position player.

 

[blynd_freddie]

Boyd and Aish will probably go higher than where we pick, for mine they are the clear cut numbers 1 and 2 picks. Personally I like Matt Scharenberg from SA at this stage, he is a tallish mid/utility type at 191cm and has the ability to play as a key position player.

Geez what are the chances, he asks ambiguously?

I haven't really started reading/looking yet, will start my checking just prior to the Nat Champs [but slyly noted]

 

[Quigley]

Scharenberg has a lot of talent I just worry about him being a bit of an in between height and I am not that keen to use a really high pick on a third tall defender which is where I see him ending up. The one advantage he has over the likes of Myers and Buntine (both of whom I didn't like) who are similarly sized and highly drafted, is that he can actually play big and is good defensively. So at worst you get someone who can do a job for you at the back.