List Mgmt. 2013 Draft Discussion

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

3 seconds flat over 20m, top 11% repeat sprints. Agility in the bottom 37% (8.68s). I think he should get drafted and around the 3rd round is his range.

Looks faster than that because he's so smart with his positioning and ability to find space I think. Still not bad results though for someone of his size.

I like him more than JK but he's probably a bit more of a high risk/high reward player. JK will likely make it but doesn't have a high ceiling at all imo. Vandeleur may not get there but could be a really good defender at AFL level.

 

[Chris Grant]

Have no idea on Fort's testing. So was making my opinion based on what has been said otherwise. But if he truly tested bad, then I guess you can cross him off the list. Surprised he's been able to be a good shut down defender with poor results though, unless he got the slowest forward each week. You need speed, agility and strength, as well as ability to read the ball in the air to be a good shut down defender.

McStay was the other one I was trying to think of. Will be happy with him or Sicily.

He got found out a bit on the lead in the finals which was a telling sign. Even if I didn't know his testing I'd have a concern over his athletic ability. Reads the play very well which makes him a good footballer at that level. Doubt he can make the step up with his speed, agility and endurance.

 

[VitalDread]

any mature age players we might be targeting?

 

[yebiga]

If we passed on Aish for Freeman I'd burn down Whitten oval, in saying that it will not happen.

I see, Aish averages 16 disposals to freemans 23
Aish panics under pressure and gets rid of it at the first opportunity against a guy who is super quick provides repeat gut busting efforts, inside and outside, can break lines as good as anyone in this draft.
Freeman logged elite performances in the draft camp and Aish do not

So why, would we recruit Farren Ray Mark 11 or a poor mans Macrae.
We do however need a line breaker and a Murphy replacement
So for mine it is k kolo.. Or freeman

Salem, billings and others are a head of Aish

Fortunately, there is no way BMac is going to go for an Aish at pick 4

 

[Super Hans]

I see, Aish averages 16 disposals to freemans 23
Aish panics under pressure and gets rid of it at the first opportunity against a guy who is super quick provides repeat gut busting efforts, inside and outside, can break lines as good as anyone in this draft.
Freeman logged elite performances in the draft camp and Aish do not

So why, would we recruit Farren Ray Mark 11 or a poor mans Macrae.
We do however need a line breaker and a Murphy replacement
So for mine it is k kolo.. Or freeman

Salem, billings and others are a head of Aish

Fortunately, there is no way BMac is going to go for an Aish at pick 4

I disagree with everything in this post.

 

[_M_16_]

He got found out a bit on the lead in the finals which was a telling sign. Even if I didn't know his testing I'd have a concern over his athletic ability. Reads the play very well which makes him a good footballer at that level. Doubt he can make the step up with his speed, agility and endurance.

Who would you consider the best shut down defender that could still be around the second pick mark? Talking more of a medium sized player that could play small or tall. Obviously at least a decent ball user.

 

[yebiga]

I disagree with everything in this post.

You can't disagree with the disposal stats
You can't disagree with the draft camp results

 

[Super Hans]

You can't disagree with the disposal stats
You can't disagree with the draft camp results

1. Aish was playing against men in the SANFL and was coming off major surgery. Freeman was playing against people his own age.

2. Draft combine results I don't take too much notice of. It's not like Aish is slow.

 

[Chris Grant]

Looks faster than that because he's so smart with his positioning and ability to find space I think. Still not bad results though for someone of his size.

I like him more than JK but he's probably a bit more of a high risk/high reward player. JK will likely make it but doesn't have a high ceiling at all imo. Vandeleur may not get there but could be a really good defender at AFL level.

Yeah agree. JK is more lock down type while Vandeleur is definitely more of a rebounder and has far greater potential. I guess it's interesting to see what happens as Zaine Cordy is a similar type of player to Vandeleur thinking ahead.

 

[dogsofwar]

You can't disagree with the disposal stats
You can't disagree with the draft camp results

Which disposal stats are you reaching from? What comp? If it is from the champs, wasn't he tagged to just 4 disposals one match? Probably significantly lowering his average. Also getting tagged in champs is pretty unheard of.

And correct me if I'm wrong, I thought aish didn't test in the draft camp?

Then again I'm not much of a draft watched so all this could be a bunch of garbage from me.

 

[zephskinner26]

You can't disagree with the disposal stats
You can't disagree with the draft camp results

Aish didn't do draft camping testing?

 

[Igloo]

I see, Aish averages 16 disposals to freemans 23
Aish panics under pressure and gets rid of it at the first opportunity against a guy who is super quick provides repeat gut busting efforts, inside and outside, can break lines as good as anyone in this draft.
Freeman logged elite performances in the draft camp and Aish do not

So why, would we recruit Farren Ray Mark 11 or a poor mans Macrae.
We do however need a line breaker and a Murphy replacement
So for mine it is k kolo.. Or freeman

Salem, billings and others are a head of Aish

Fortunately, there is no way BMac is going to go for an Aish at pick 4

Flabbergasted by this post, especially the section in bold. Aish is probably the most calm player in traffic in the entire draft, as well as probably the best at reading the play in front of him. In no way does he panic under pressure and look to get rid of it at the first opportunity. Not even close. I don't understand how you've actually come to that conclusion.

Freeman, on the other hand, while he is very good at extracting the ball, isn't the best in terms of using it wisely. Goes long a lot, rather than lowering the eyes to choose the best option.

Also, as mentioned, Aish did no physical testing at the national combine.

 

[Chris Grant]

Who would you consider the best shut down defender that could still be around the second pick mark? Talking more of a medium sized player that could play small or tall. Obviously at least a decent ball user.

Probably Jake Kolodjashnij.

 

[yebiga]

1. Aish was playing against men in the SANFL and was coming off major surgery. Freeman was playing against people his own age.

2. Draft combine results I don't take too much notice of. It's not like Aish is slow.

Aish also average 16 possies in the U18 champs, Freeman 21
Aish came off an injury - so did Freeman

Watch the highlights 5 minutes for each, and if they are Aishs highlights I would stay well away
Then watch Freemans and tell me you want Aish

Some kids develop earlier, dominate and fade as others come to their own. Aish is neat, he is no first rounder.
He also has no weapon.

KK has an exquisite left foot and Freeman is super quick and breaks lines.

 

[yebiga]

Aish didn't do draft camping testing?

Whether he tested or not he is not going to match Freemans results
Even those who want him, would not make that claim.

 

[Super Hans]

Aish also average 16 possies in the U18 champs, Freeman 21
Aish came off an injury - so did Freeman

Watch the highlights 5 minutes for each, and if they are Aishs highlights I would stay well away
Then watch Freemans and tell me you want Aish

Some kids develop earlier, dominate and fade as others come to their own. Aish is neat, he is no first rounder.
He also has no weapon.

KK has an exquisite left foot and Freeman is super quick and breaks lines.

So you're judging who we should take off a three minute highlights package and combine testing (which Aish didn't even do)?

 

[Super Hans]

I still don't know how you can say Aish has no 'weapon'. Are you sure you're thinking of Aish? Because you're describing the exact opposite of him.

 

[Chris Grant]

any mature age players we might be targeting?

Ben Brown.

Someone mentioned we might be looking to rookie Nathan Batsanis.

 

[yebiga]

I still don't know how you can say Aish has no 'weapon'. Are you sure you're thinking of Aish? Because you're describing the exact opposite of him.

What is it?

 

[Super Hans]

What is it?

Reading of the play, keep calm under pressure, has the best skills in the draft (maybe behind Billings and McDonald), great kick. + it's not like he's slow.

 

[yebiga]

So you're judging who we should take off a three minute highlights package and combine testing (which Aish didn't even do)?

It is five minutes of their highlights
It is what they do when they get the ball
It is their respective attributes
It's is their stats
Freemans superior speed and repeat running efforts are only confirmed by the combine tests
I don't imagine anyone would claim Aish is faster, or fitter, are they?

 

[zephskinner26]

What is it?

he got dem natural football smarts

 

[Super Hans]

It is five minutes of their highlights
It is what they do when they get the ball
It is their respective attributes
It's is their stats
Freemans superior speed and repeat running efforts are only confirmed by the combine tests
I don't imagine anyone would claim Aish is faster, or fitter, are they?

I'm not saying Aish is the better athlete, I'm saying he's the better footballer.

 

[yebiga]

Reading of the play, keep calm under pressure, has the best skills in the draft (maybe behind Billings and McDonald), great kick. + it's not like he's slow.

I agree, he seems to read the play well
His skills are very good
I think KKs left footer is better
When he gets himself in a corner he runs in straight lines and just kicks it, where as Freeman creates space, time and finds ways out. Freemans kicking is inferior no doubt. But boy, how he Takes them on and busts a gut - reminds me of west coasts Kerr at his peak. Sorry, I think he is falling down the rankings for good reasons.

I would like to see more highlights of scharenburg as they are limited and if choco Williams has really said the burger is the best thing he has seen since Carey we need to look at him a bit more

But as for Aish, honestly, unless he is hiding a lot of tricks - he is not our man. And if he was tagged to a 4 possession game in juniors, he is definetly not our man. Watch the highlights of Freeman, he appears to be tagged on 2 occasions and his running effort enables him to still draw the ball and get free of his opponent. I like the boy, he has some real spunk.

But happy with Kolo... Awesome left foot, fast, courageous, takes a strong mark.

 

[_M_16_]

Just curious, how many of you here, have actually watched full games of Aish? And not just one or two games and a highlights reel, either, but a few games, whether online, in person, or on tv? And not just the Championships, but when he played in the SANFL as well.

I think if anyone can put their hand up at that answer, I guess they are the most qualified to make a judgement on how good he is.

To many people rely on highlight reels which make everyone look like a star. And a lot of people too obsessed with players that have that wow factor and do magical things and overlook the complete package, assuming that player will be a star because he can kick two freak goals a game. Or looks lighting quick and a good ball user from his lousy 10 possessions a game, and overlook that he cannot defend at all. Or they see testing results and see a super athlete, when whilst they do play a huge and telling part, can sometimes be overrated at Athleticism does not mean a good football, and some good footballers have never been athletic.

I'm curious to who on here genuinely has seen a lot of games of all these draftees in person.