List Mgmt. 2013 Draft Discussion

[GrandBlue]

I know exactly nothing about this dude, but a well kicked ball travels faster than anyone can run. You can forgive extractors for having a poor kick, but an outside player who cant kick shouldnt go anywhere near first round.

The reason he'll likely go first round is due to his accomplishments as a forward, I just think in the future, he'll develop into an unstoppable running wingman. You'd expect his kicking to improve.

fwiw, he's far from my first choice at 4.

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

I'm not sure if your actually serious… He still can't break a tag and after winning the rising star had a quiet few years… among the best midfielders in the comp… maybe if the comp consisted of melbourne and brisbane!

According to the Champion Data player ratings system, this year he was the 14th best player in the competition.

 

[timtamWB]

According to the Champion Data player ratings system, this year he was the 14th best player in the competition.

I can play this game! According to Champion Data player ratings:

Naitanui was 15th
Boyd was 28th
Bennell 27th
Hurn 31st
Zorko 32nd
Jetta 33rd

And Rich was ahead of these fine players:

Roughead 16th
McVeigh 17th
Steven 19th
Sloane 20th
Johnson 23rd
Boak 24th
Libba 30th

Would you like me to continue?

 

[Interloper]

I can play this game! According to Champion Data player ratings:

Naitanui was 15th
Boyd was 28th
Bennell 27th
Hurn 31st
Zorko 32nd
Jetta 33rd

And Rich was ahead of these fine players:

Roughead 16th
McVeigh 17th
Steven 19th
Sloane 20th
Johnson 23rd
Boak 24th
Libba 30th

Would you like me to continue?

Jetta from essendon? Is there another one I've forgotten?

Edit: Yes. Lewis at the Swans

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

I can play this game! According to Champion Data player ratings:

Naitanui was 15th
Boyd was 28th
Bennell 27th
Hurn 31st
Zorko 32nd
Jetta 33rd

And Rich was ahead of these fine players:

Roughead 16th
McVeigh 17th
Steven 19th
Sloane 20th
Johnson 23rd
Boak 24th
Libba 30th

Would you like me to continue?

Alright so using the Player Ratings thing wasn't the best validation of my argument. I was just trying to point out its ridiculous to say he isn't a very good player.

 

[timtamWB]

Jetta from essendon? Is there another one I've forgotten?

Lewis Jetta from Sydney. It's over the last 40 games, but still no way he should be that high. Rioli is ranked 11th

 

[Interloper]

Lewis Jetta from Sydney. It's over the last 40 games, but still no way he should be that high. Rioli is ranked 11th

Lol. They're out of sight out of mind.

 

[timtamWB]

Alright so using the Player Ratings thing wasn't the best validation of my argument. I was just trying to point out its ridiculous to say he isn't a very good player.

You said he was one of the best midfielders in the competition, which is just not true. He's a good player, but he was behind Rockliff, Moloney, Redden, even Black, this year. He's slowly starting to get it together.

Lower destroyed his confidence from round 1 though

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

You said he was one of the best midfielders in the competition, which is just not true. He's a good player, but he was behind Rockliff, Moloney, Redden, even Black, this year. He's slowly starting to get it together.

Lower destroyed his confidence from round 1 though

IT'S NOT MY FAULT, I JUST LOVE WATCHING HIM KICK A BALL!!!!

 

[HK_Bulldog]

IT'S NOT MY FAULT, I JUST LOVE WATCHING HIM KICK A BALL!!!!

I'll back you on this. I agree he's not an elite midfielder yet but he is lethal with the ball. Not many more damaging players in the comp than Rich in a bit of space.
That's why he's tagged every week.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

I'll back you on this. I agree he's not an elite midfielder yet but he is lethal with the ball. Not many more damaging players in the comp than Rich in a bit of space.
That's why he's tagged every week.

plus he sucks the big one with a tag - so you get good value tagging him. But agree very damaging if left free.

 

[paul scholes]

Rich is a good player. Would almost be perfect for our team.
Rhys Palmer is probably a better example of someone who had a great first year then faded into obscurity.

Thank you. Looking for reasons not to pick a highly touted player like Aish is baffling.
Wines might have a better career than others, but really it's a tad to early to make a call.

 

[King Harold]

With the risk of upsetting GrandBlue again , I have a bad feel about Aish.
People say he played against men in the SA comp the last 2 years , which is great , but For me wouldn't sway me.
That competition lacks a fair bit of pressure and would suit an out side wingman.

I know I am being ridiculous because all I have seen of him is the highlights package ( and nothing out of the ordinary for me )
But Sam Power , Jordy , and Farren Ray keep flashing into my head , would hate to waste a pick 4 on another one of those types.

 

[Dav1d]

With the risk of upsetting GrandBlue again , I have a bad feel about Aish.
People say he played against men in the SA comp the last 2 years , which is great , but For me wouldn't sway me.
That competition lacks a fair bit of pressure and would suit an out side wingman.

I know I am being ridiculous because all I have seen of him is the highlights package ( and nothing out of the ordinary for me )
But Sam Power , Jordy , and Farren Ray keep flashing into my head , would hate to waste a pick 4 on another one of those types.

You could argue that Billings/Kelly/KK/Scharenberg; SHOULD we use a pick on them, turn into one of those types

But that is just the risk with the draft and you just have to draft the best available & have faith that our development crew can get the best out of whichever player we do get

 

[King Harold]

You could argue that Billings/Kelly/KK/Scharenberg; SHOULD we use a pick on them, turn into one of those types

But that is just the risk with the draft and you just have to draft the best available & have faith that our development crew can get the best out of whichever player we do get

Know what you mean , but some of those you mentioned have some tools that set them apart a little.
And Sharenberg for me looks like someone who at the very worst will be a very good half back.
If he was anything like Sam Fisher , who he has been compared to , that would do me.
All those that I mentioned still played 100 - 200 games but they never really nailed down a spot they were good at. All were recruited as lightly built mid fielders that were failures at AFL level for that position.
The highlights of Aish , could easily been highlights of Ray , McMahon and to a lesser extent Power.

But you are right , we must trust our people , and thats what I will do !

 

[Sunny_]

Do you think you guys are likely to take KK at #4?

 

[Dav1d]

Do you think you guys are likely to take KK at #4?

Apparently really like him and have met with his family
But I expect we'd of done that with a few of the expected top draftees

 

[Mutt]

Do you think you guys are likely to take KK at #4?

The club doesn't leak like a sieve as it once used to Sunny_ so none of us know for sure. Jason McCartney has said that the recruiting and football department staff will have a meeting about a week out from draft day to finalise our picks strategy.

Not that helpful to you I guess - but we'd have to be a chance to pick KK. We've shown under the current regime that we don't take any notice of the phantom drafts or the media - we'll go our own way.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

And Sharenberg for me looks like someone who at the very worst will be a very good half back.

I know what you're saying here KH and it's difficult to argue with. However one only needs to look into the history books to see that players labeled "safe" picks rarely become the best players in their draft year. Being physically ready to make an immediate impact generally means that they're closer to their peak and thus will get overtaken by other players.

I can't argue that Scharenberg is less of a risk than Aish; I, too, think that at the very least he'll be a solid player. However - is this the right time to take a little bit more of a risk and see if we can get an absolute top-liner? My head says yes. We have a very solid young core which is starting to show some real form on its own. I don't think now is the point where we have to take a safe player, and I'd be disappointed if we did. I don't want to reach and take somebody not even in top five calculations, absolutely not; all I'm saying is that Aish's reward offsets his risk, and the point we're at in our development means we can afford to take that slightly more high risk/high reward player for me.

 

[Zgope1]

I know what you're saying here KH and it's difficult to argue with. However one only needs to look into the history books to see that players labeled "safe" picks rarely become the best players in their draft year. Being physically ready to make an immediate impact generally means that they're closer to their peak and thus will get overtaken by other players.

I can't argue that Scharenberg is less of a risk than Aish; I, too, think that at the very least he'll be a solid player. However - is this the right time to take a little bit more of a risk and see if we can get an absolute top-liner? My head says yes. We have a very solid young core which is starting to show some real form on its own. I don't think now is the point where we have to take a safe player, and I'd be disappointed if we did. I don't want to reach and take somebody not even in top five calculations, absolutely not; all I'm saying is that Aish's reward offsets his risk, and the point we're at in our development means we can afford to take that slightly more high risk/high reward player for me.

very slightly imo. You don't get many kids with Aish's credentials. He's a very complete footballer that should become a complete midfielder and he's been playing very well against men for 2 years

 

[GiantDog]

Alright so using the Player Ratings thing wasn't the best validation of my argument. I was just trying to point out its ridiculous to say he isn't a very good player.

I never said he wasn't a good player… my quote (look below in bold) says that after winning the rising star he had a few quiet years. The previous quote if you go back and look at it was in reference to how a player will come and kill their first year and then go quiet as they haven't learned how to deal with a tag yet. I never said he was rubbish. As others have stated, i was taken aback by your claim that he was among the best in the competition. Once he learns how to break a tag…. he'll be a very good player. At the moment he's quite easy to shut down and nowhere near the top echelon of midfield players, despite his great kick.
I'm not sure if your actually serious… He still can't break a tag and after winning the rising star had a quiet few years

 

[black pup]

Hope we offer a rookie spot to Aaron Cornelious, this bloke is a terrific talent, a few good judges in TASSIE telling me we should throw this bloke a life line. Never got on with Brown or Voss.

 

[Dale4captain]

Hope we offer a rookie spot to Aaron Cornelious, this bloke is a terrific talent, a few good judges in TASSIE telling me we should throw this bloke a life line. Never got on with Brown or Voss.

Not one for us. I actually played against him back in Tassie, wasn't a massive fan back then and opinion hasn't changed. Is a third tall at best and an inconsistent one at that.

 

[black pup]

Well he was a top junior down there, my contact a former AFL footballer tells me a different story, he 's been heavily involved in TASSIE football, coaching down there, tells me a different story. Interesting.

 

[GiantDog]

Well he was a top junior down there, my contact a former AFL footballer tells me a different story, he 's been heavily involved in TASSIE football, coaching down there, tells me a different story. Interesting.

Thorpe?
Probably misspelt his name.. the ex hawks player i'm talking about..