List Mgmt. 2013 Draft Discussion

[Chris Grant]

Er, yes they do.

Apart from Hunter can you name anyone else? Genuine question.

The other thing to note is Hunter wasn't in the AIS squad so you could argue so he wasn't as advanced as the rest in his development. Macrae you could class in a similar bracket also despite being a little bit older then Hunter.

 

[TBOW]

Ugh, the Bontempelli talk is going to kill me.



I've got a few guys in WA looking into him, since he'd be easy to hide from Vic clubs over there but not from WA people. Highlights videos are deceptive, but that one is just far too explosive for him to not even be in draft calculations. Something's up imo and I'm interested to find out what.

Hmmmmmm...

 

[TBOW]

Quigley has put his mock draft up.
He can come across as being a bit biased, but I think he is spot on with his Scharenberg write up.
Not a huge Aish fan & he really doesn't rate Lennon.

 

[josh the gent]

Ok sunshine, detail the logic to me then.

How does being younger increase the likelihood of having better potential?

I didn't say they have a better potential overall - I said they have a higher ceiling (i.e. where they might get to vs where they are at now).

The basic premise being that an 18 year old should have more development left in them than a 19 year old.

Wouldn't have thought that was an overly difficult concept to grasp.

 

[josh the gent]

Apart from Hunter can you name anyone else? Genuine question.

The other thing to note is Hunter wasn't in the AIS squad so you could argue so he wasn't as advanced as the rest in his development. Macrae you could class in a similar bracket also despite being a little bit older then Hunter.

Not off the top of my head, but I think it would be an interesting study to see how the younger players from draft classes go in general.

I guess it's not always a point that gets brought up, but if you have a choice between 2 even playing players, and one of them is 11 months younger (say 17 and 9 months vs 18 and 8 months), I think it would make sense to go for the younger player.

 

[Reptilia]

Bontempelli WOOHOOO come on down!! .. Hopefully

 

[Nath09]

Quigley has put his mock draft up.
He can come across as being a bit biased, but I think he is spot on with his Scharenberg write up.
Not a huge Aish fan & he really doesn't rate Lennon.

Quigley is dick. He's barely literate and if he really thinks that due to our financial position as a club, we're too scared to recruit players from interstate then he really has no idea. Suck.a.**** Quigley.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Quigley's a very good judge of talent and his write ups are always of high quality imo. Looking forward to reading them a bit later.

 

[TBOW]

Twomey mentioned we are interested in Darcy Lang

The midfielder's season ended in agony, when he broke his fibula and dislocated his ankle in the final game of Vic Country's under-18 championships. To then he had shown what he has got as a running, versatile onballer with a bit of zip. Lang has some dash and likes to run and carry the ball up the ground.
Where does he go? He's an option for Essendon with its first pick. If not, the Bulldogs a bit later back will take a look.

We do seem to like the Vic country kids. Nice burst but doesn't look like the best user at times.
It's funny, I keep looking at these lower order guys & struggling to work out who doesn't get picked in this suposed 55.
Guess that's why I'm not the expert.

 

[fronkalicious]

Macrae absolutely tore up the championships and killed it in the big games at tac level. Bontempelli had a very poor championships. Massive difference IMO.

Take aish. Not only does he seem the best available, he also fills a massive need. Do it dalrymple.

 

[Super Hans]

That write up of Scharenberg makes me moist, hopefully it's him or Aish at pick 4.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

looks like this board will go bi-polar if we do pick up Bontempelli!

I'd be happy enough, but I'd also be happy with Aish, Scharenberg, or KK. So very high likelihood I'll be happy

 

[Chris Grant]

Not off the top of my head, but I think it would be an interesting study to see how the younger players from draft classes go in general.

I guess it's not always a point that gets brought up, but if you have a choice between 2 even playing players, and one of them is 11 months younger (say 17 and 9 months vs 18 and 8 months), I think it would make sense to go for the younger player.

Yeah I'm so not sure. Some sports stars peak at 21, others at 28. I guess if you're tossing up between them then you go with the younger guy as he will probably have a bit longer career. But even then that's debatable.

The one major comparison that sticks in my head is Deledio and Griffen. Deledio is over a year younger and started out as the better player. Griffen has passed him this year and become one of the best mids in the competition. Deledio has kind of stagnated a bit.

So personally I don't think it should be that much of a factor, it could go either way. Development programs (to see how advanced they are), how much footy they have played over there career etc is much more important.

 

[MJ_Dogs]

looks like this board will go bi-polar if we do pick up Bontempelli!

I'd be happy enough, but I'd also be happy with Aish, Scharenberg, or KK. So very high likelihood I'll be happy

Bontempelli/Aish/Scharenburg/Billings. I'd be happy with any of these. If the club think Bonts is the best out of them, then ill back their decision

 

[murphy's twin]

Bontempelli/Aish/Scharenburg/Billings. I'd be happy with any of these. If the club think Bonts is the best out of them, then ill back their decision

I totally agree. Look I understand that we all have opinions on this board. But I totally back the dogs decision over anyone on here. So yes if they take bontempelli then I will be really really excited because we will have someone who has amazing attributes, and a great work ethic- over 14 beep test.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I have faith in our recruiting staff and if we take Bontempelli I'll acknowledge that they see something I don't. But if we all sat there and said, "I'll back the club's decision whatever happens," it wouldn't be a very interesting forum.

 

[Chris Grant]

There's rumours clubs are a bit worried about Scharenberg's foot injury. Doubt it's true. Seems like one club really wants him to slip (Collingwood?).

 

[timtamWB]

Quigley is dick. He's barely literate and if he really thinks that due to our financial position as a club, we're too scared to recruit players from interstate then he really has no idea. Suck.a.**** Quigley.

Quigley's a very good judge of talent and his write ups are always of high quality imo. Looking forward to reading them a bit later.

Well that was a fun pair of posts to read

Anyone have a link to it?

Going to echo some sentiments on here, I will be not be happy if we take Bontempelli over Aish or Scharenberg. I can see him not handling the transition to AFL that well, which is my major gripe with him, and becoming a serviceable player. Aish fills a HUGE need, it makes sense, we should just grab him!

 

[yebiga]

Suggest a few here should read Quigley's write up on Aish.

Forgetting all our respecting biases, if you look at all the available evidence, we should be picking one of

Sharenberg, KK, Billings, Kelly or Sheed before considering Aish or Bontempelli

Whilst, I personally prefer KK, I can see that Sharenberg is less of a risk and ready to roll.

 

[Chris Grant]

I wouldn't be that disappointed with Bontempelli, I've really liked what I've seen in the midfield. I'd just much rather a Scharenberg, Aish or Billings over him as they have much more runs on the board so to speak.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Suggest a few here should read Quigley's write up on Aish.

Forgetting all our respecting biases, if you look at all the available evidence, we should be picking one of

Sharenberg, KK, Billings, Kelly or Sheed before considering Aish or Bontempelli

Whilst, I personally prefer KK, I can see that Sharenberg is less of a risk and ready to roll.

But you're not. You're saying we look at pretty much the one phantom draft out of all of the BF and expert ones that isn't impressed with Aish, and use that to draw the conclusion that the other players are better. That makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Nath09]

Well that was a fun pair of posts to read

Anyone have a link to it?

Going to echo some sentiments on here, I will be not be happy if we take Bontempelli over Aish or Scharenberg. I can see him not handling the transition to AFL that well, which is my major gripe with him, and becoming a serviceable player. Aish fills a HUGE need, it makes sense, we should just grab him!

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/quigleys-2013-mock.1041146/

 

[timtamWB]

I it just me, or is Quigley extremely biased and fairly negative? His write ups are good, good to see a different side rather than THIS GUY IS THE NEXT ABLETT AND HE WILL BE THE GOAT, but I'm not paying much attention to the order.

 

[LukasTheGreat]

Ugh, the Bontempelli talk is going to kill me.



I've got a few guys in WA looking into him, since he'd be easy to hide from Vic clubs over there but not from WA people. Highlights videos are deceptive, but that one is just far too explosive for him to not even be in draft calculations. Something's up imo and I'm interested to find out what.

That sets a really dangerous precedence, if clubs start hiding players we may see a draft in 5-6 years time where the best players are all going in the third round.

Or am I over worrying?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I it just me, or is Quigley extremely biased and fairly negative? His write ups are good, good to see a different side rather than THIS GUY IS THE NEXT ABLETT AND HE WILL BE THE GOAT, but I'm not paying much attention to the order.

He's biased towards the Div 2 players but I actually quite like it. They get next to no notice over here so it's nice to hear about them in a more positive light.

As for the bolded, I quite like that too. There are a few detailed posts on the BF phantom thread explaining why I quite like negative standpoints on draftees which I can't be bothered finding, haha. If you're interested have a look. In a nutshell, though, a kid can have an absolutely elite right boot, but at AFL level it's his poor left boot which is going to be locked onto by the opposition and define him as a player. That's just an example, not the only way to apply it.