List Mgmt. 2013 Draft Discussion

[doggies ftw]

I wouldn't. Really I want one of Aish or Scharenberg, and then if for some reason they're both gone, one of Billings/KK. While Billings is highly talented, both Aish and Scharenberg both fill a need much moreso than Billings.

I'm definitely warming to Scharenberg and wouldn't be disappointed at all if we get him but I dunno I'd just rather a few others before him. I agree that Billings doesn't really fill a need as a forward but personally I'd only be taking him for the dogs if I believed he will be a midfielder, and as a mid he fits our needs as well as anyone in the draft IMO. For me I'd want Aish>Billings>Bontempelli but theres really not too much between em and I would be very happy either way.

 

[yebiga]

The Aish patriots on this board are in for one hell of a ribbing if this kid does not shine
The myopia is quite extraordinary. If you get it right I will express my apologies for doubting your wisdom but get it wrong and your credibility will require some rehabilitation, as this barracking for Aish has been nearly hysterical.

 

[Dav1d]

The Aish patriots on this board are in for one hell of a ribbing if this kid does not shine
The myopia is quite extraordinary. If you get it right I will express my apologies for doubting your wisdom but get it wrong and your credibility will require some rehabilitation, as this barracking for Aish has been nearly hysterical.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I am 60% Aish
40% Scharenberg.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Never said he was the best pick to take. Aish is by far my preferred option if available.
I've warmed to Scharenberg a bit, and would take him over Bontempelli. Would also take Billings before him if Bontempelli if available, which he probably wont be. Toss of the coin vs Kolodjashnij.
Just not buying into "the sky is falling" train of thought if we do take him. He's a talented kid who wouldn't be a bad pick at pick 4.

I never used the terms "the sky is falling" nor did I call him a "bad pick" though. It's just a completely illogical pick. The post I replied to in the first place was one referring to him as not being an "all or nothing" pick. I replied to explain why he's considered to be that way - because of his inconsistency, which, if improved upon, could see him become the best in the draft. If he doesn't, it's an attribute that is rarely seen in any top-line players - something we want to pick with pick 4. I never said don't take him because of his inconsistency and I definitely didn't say he was a bad pick. My original post was simply saying that he's an all or nothing pick, until it got twisted/misunderstood to mean, "It's the end of the world if we take him, he's a horrible pick."

He has some brilliant attributes but his weaknesses really concern me, much more than any of KK's, Scharenberg's or Aish's. If we take him I'll be disappointed, but I won't view it as a bad pick. As I said earlier, if the final decision is him, then I'll acknowledge that they've seen something that I don't, in which case we were right to take him. My original argument was that he was an all or nothing pick - not a bad pick.

 

[Super Hans]

The Aish patriots on this board are in for one hell of a ribbing if this kid does not shine
The myopia is quite extraordinary. If you get it right I will express my apologies for doubting your wisdom but get it wrong and your credibility will require some rehabilitation, as this barracking for Aish has been nearly hysterical.

If Freeman becomes a better player than Aish I'll buy you a beer.

 

[yebiga]

If Freeman becomes a better player than Aish I'll buy you a beer.

I have very little doubt Freeman will be a very valuable acquisition for who whoever picks him up
With Aish I genuinely worry he is going to be ordinary

 

[fronkalicious]

Use the eye test people. On paper bontempelli is:

- 190cm plus utility
- good speed
- excellent athleticism
- raking left foot kick
- goal-kicker
- still growing

Who wouldn't want a player like that. But getting caught up in how a player looks on paper is seriously dangerous. Macrae is a good example. On paper he was a slowish, outside mid with inconsistent foot skills. Hardly worth pick 6. But watch the game and the kid just gets it. He will be a gun.

Scotty west was one of the best players I've ever seen and he had zero speed, average foot skills at best and no size at all. Dude won 6 or 7 b&fs.

Beware the prospect that's "good on paper" is all I'm saying.

 

[Dav1d]

If you're Kevin Sheehan talking about a player, then they all seem good on paper to be honest; real huge fan of Aish & Billings...Boyd to obviously.

I hope some of the rumors going around aren't true though, like Aish/Scharenberg desiring to go back home
& KK been more comfortable at a club if he was drafted along with his brother and so on

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

If you're Kevin Sheehan talking about a player, then they all seem good on paper to be honest; real huge fan of Aish & Billings...Boyd to obviously.

Something interesting I've heard a few times from different people now is that Sheehan isn't sold on Bontempelli at all. Thinks he should be going much later than he probably will. I was really surprised to hear it as he rarely says anything that doesn't just follow common opinion.

 

[DogBites]

I have very little doubt Freeman will be a very valuable acquisition for who whoever picks him up
With Aish I genuinely worry he is going to be ordinary

While having no firm choice given I haven't seen any of them play, I'm starting to come around to Yebiga logic.
I had been thinking Aish, but if he is available to us he is in effect the 6th ranked player (if you include Martin and Hogan).
Now given the truly elite tend to be pick 1 in most drafts and maybe up to pick 3 or 4 in strong drafts, I'm thinking Aish and our other options cannot be considered to be truly elite.
Therefore I'm now coming around to preferring to go a bit safer at pick 6 with a strong bodied player (looking at Brownlow results, top 20 or so tend to have a very high percentage of strong bodied players).
So I'm now preferring Scharemburg, Billings, (and won't be disappointed if the club thinks Bontempelli is the best option).

Of course this will probably change as the week progresses and the next player with a bullet starts being discussed.

 

[Super Hans]

If Sheehan isn't crash hot on someone they must have something wrong with them. He calls 99% of draftee's 'potential brownlow winner'.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

If Sheehan isn't crash hot on someone they must have something wrong with them. He calls 99% of draftee's 'potential brownlow winner'.

That's why I was really surprised to hear it, I've never heard Sheehan give anything but glowing praise about a draft prospect. Obviously I didn't hear it straight from him, but I've heard the same thing from several people now. It's a weird one.

 

[Dav1d]

Something interesting I've heard a few times from different people now is that Sheehan isn't sold on Bontempelli at all. Thinks he should be going much later than he probably will. I was really surprised to hear it as he rarely says anything that doesn't just follow common opinion.

During his commentary of the televised U18 games he didn't seem overly excited about Bontempelli

Liam Pickering did really like him though, I've liked Bontempelli since December last year and I wouldn't select him if I was our recruiter

I think KK would be a better choice if the thing about not wanting to go without his brother isn't true

 

[Super Hans]

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl...e-top-10-lurking/story-fni5f22o-1226761355798

Bontempelli's pick me.

 

[Dav1d]

Bontempelli's name should be Bon-Bon and not just because of his name
because sometimes he will explode in games and other times not make a noise at all

if we do draft him, I hope he is like the Mr Bean Christmas special Bon-Bon

 

[Dry Rot]

I reckon there could be a few surprises after pick 1.

If somehow Kelly was available at pick 4, would you take him?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I reckon there could be a few surprises after pick 1.

If somehow Kelly was available at pick 4, would you take him?

I'd take Aish ahead of Kelly but Kelly ahead of everybody else.

 

[stefoid]

The question marks over Bontempelli reminds me of Jarrod Grant who had a great highlight reel full of the P-word (potential) but struggles to put it together from quarter to quarter and game to game.

So why would we take Bontempelli over Scharenburg since they are both 191cm utilities who might be able to run through the midfield?

 

[josh the gent]

Any name that has the "oo" sound in it.

COOOOOOON! BREEUUUUUUST!

I want us to take Aish, then when he gets the ball we could all go EYYYYYYYYYYYY... like the Fonz used to say.

Imagine Aish giving a 1-2 to Cooney:


EYYYYY ... OOOOOOOOO ... EYYYYYY

 

[josh the gent]

I have very little doubt Freeman will be a very valuable acquisition for who whoever picks him up
With Aish I genuinely worry he is going to be ordinary

What makes you think Freeman over Aish?

Freeman is already 181cm and 85kgs. Not sure that he has too much more growing to do in terms of filling out his physique. Yes he has explosive pace, but he didn't really kill it this year.

Aish has been a youth superstar since he was born apparently. Weighs in at 74kgs - which indicates that he has some growing to do even to get to Jarrad Grant's size...

 

[paul scholes]

The question marks over Bontempelli reminds me of Jarrod Grant who had a great highlight reel full of the P-word (potential) but struggles to put it together from quarter to quarter and game to game.

So why would we take Bontempelli over Scharenburg since they are both 191cm utilities who might be able to run through the midfield?

Agree, it's puzzling to be honest.
If it's the " go home " factor, and we back our coaching and teaching to improve players, then why not back it in for them to stay?

 

[fronkalicious]

What makes you think Freeman over Aish?

Freeman is already 181cm and 85kgs. Not sure that he has too much more growing to do in terms of filling out his physique. Yes he has explosive pace, but he didn't really kill it this year.

Aish has been a youth superstar since he was born apparently. Weighs in at 74kgs - which indicates that he has some growing to do even to get to Jarrad Grant's size...

But freeman has amazing acceleration, a more penetrating kick, better size......doesn't matter than he can't find the footy.........

Again, beware the player that's good on paper. Same goes with women by the way.

 

[paul scholes]

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl...e-top-10-lurking/story-fni5f22o-1226761355798

Bontempelli's pick me.

I've got no issue with the kid, but one recruiter rates him 17th best player in the draft!
Yes, 17th best!!
One recruiter has him as the best player, clearly he is inconsistent .
Pick 4 is just way to much of a risk.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I've got no issue with the kid, but one recruiter rates him 17th best player in the draft!
Yes, 17th best!!
One recruiter has him as the best player, clearly he is inconsistent .
Pick 4 is just way to much of a risk.

I'm not a fan of taking Bontempelli PS but this isn't a convincing argument, in my opinion. Every recruiter has their misses and every recruiter has their hits - while one rates him as the 17th best, the one who rates him as the best could be the one who ends up right in the end.