List Mgmt. 2013 Draft Discussion

[BRG93]

^ Also for those who haven't seen Vandeleur he is a 193cm 90kg defender, with pretty decent athletic qualities, seems to read the play fairly well too, missed the first half of the championships with an ankle injury

For mine would rather Cameron Giles

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Also, reading through Chris25's thread, came across this comment which I think explains my view really well:

Or maybe they actually rate Bontempelli higher? He does offer a lot of things - size, versatility, scope for improvement. I've always rated him very highly, but for the Bulldogs I'd be taking Aish. Especially after drafting both Macrae and Stringer last year, who ideally will play very similar roles to Bontempelli - an inside/outside midfielder and a midfielder/forward. Yes, all three together would be nice and you could rotate them at will. But partnering an elite clearance winner like Liberatore with an elite outside ball user in Aish would be see a bigger improvement than improving rotations.

Think that describes it perfectly to be honest. I'm not a massive fan, no, but the above (combined with the fact that Aish has shown more on a more consistent basis) is pretty much bang on why I can't understand us taking Bontempelli over Aish.

 

[Kony Abbott]

on the subject of talls, this was pretty interesting, obviously very speculative but a good look at what might be on offer at next years draft, we've been hearing for some time that 2014 is rich with KPFs, I didn't realise how rich.. a sight for sore eyes for the likes of the dogs, saints, blues and lions fans. http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-the-first-look/

 

[_M_16_]

on the subject of talls, this was pretty interesting, obviously very speculative but a good look at what might be on offer at next years draft, we've been hearing for some time that 2014 is rich with KPFs, I didn't realise how rich.. a sight for sore eyes for the likes of the dogs, saints, blues and lions fans. http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-the-first-look/

It is an interesting draft indeed. Out of the listed 15 there, only three of them were listed as key forwards, so may not be as many as we think. Seems to be plenty of tall defenders and ruckman as well. The one that catches my eye at the moment is McCartin, even ahead of Goddard. Though I think we will have to somehow move up in the draft to have a chance at either one of them. I think the Saints will most likely finish lower and take one of the two. Will be interesting to see which lesser known players steps up during the season, and overtakes some of these more higher rated prospects, there is always a few. And how strong the key position players are outside of the first round depth wise. No doubt we will grab a solid tall, regardless whether it is a forward or a defender.

Collingwood could get away with stealing one of the three key forward prospects as a father son selection. They are starting to look like bandits these days.

 

[Aldo]

I don't know what to think about Aish anymore. Since finishing the uni semester, I've been spending my days re-watching u18 footy. It was a bit frustrating watching him struggle to get his hands on the footy, though I think that has more to do with the taggers. I'm surprised he actually does get a large number of uncontested possessions, because the attention on him is ridiculous for a player at this level. Also, while he is willing to take hits, I have noticed that when he does, he can get roughed up a bit. He'll definitely need time in the gym, though given the look of the rest of his family, he might struggle to get near 85kg.

On the other hand, when he does get the ball, it's a thing of beauty. I reckon the highlight packages don't do entire justice to his composure. He always just leaves behind a bit of fairy dust, blinding his opponents around him. I reckon he even underestimates his ability sometimes, where he'll give off a short handball when he could probably get away and deliver one of his always precise kicks. He probably isn't my first choice anymore, but he'd be way up there still. I reckon he'll do better at the dogs than a lot of the other teams.

I reckon I might have to get on the Bontempelli bandwagon though, because it's sounding like we might get him. Hope St Kilda don't get Billings, so we get an easy choice. People have doubted him, but he's still probably my favourite. I really hope he doesn't have to go to the saints, poor kid.

 

[Aldo]

on the subject of talls, this was pretty interesting, obviously very speculative but a good look at what might be on offer at next years draft, we've been hearing for some time that 2014 is rich with KPFs, I didn't realise how rich.. a sight for sore eyes for the likes of the dogs, saints, blues and lions fans. http://boundforglorynews.com/2014-draft-the-first-look/

If we don't manage to get a tall next year, I really hope we get one of the WA boys in Clem Smith and Ryan Lim. Big fan of both of them.

 

[BRG93]

Patrick McCartin, Please!!
Watching his Under 18 Game in Geelong right now, Geezus!!!

 

[LukasTheGreat]

Of Aish, Billings, Scharenberg and Bontempelli, who is the most versatile?

 

[timtamWB]

Of Aish, Billings, Scharenberg and Bontempelli, who is the most versatile?

Scharenberg or Bontempelli. I'd argue Scharenberg, others would argue Bontempelli. I'd have it as, from most to least versatile:

Scharenberg > Bontempelli > Billings > Aish

 

[LukasTheGreat]

Scharenberg or Bontempelli. I'd argue Scharenberg, others would argue Bontempelli. I'd have it as, from most to least versatile:

Scharenberg > Bontempelli > Billings > Aish

Well we know Macca wants versatile players, could that be the reason we (according to reports) rate Bontempelli over Aish?

 

[murphy's twin]

Well we know Macca wants versatile players, could that be the reason we (according to reports) rate Bontempelli over Aish?

Yes, I would say with confidence that it would be a big reason why. Having 3 future versatile beasts in McRae Stringer and bontempelli makes me drool.

 

[fronkalicious]

So where do I play bontempelli in my 2016 premiership lineup? Half-back flank? Wing? Chf?

 

[Aldo]

For versatility, why no Scharenberg for us then? Most versatile and best performed. Surely we're not being scared off by rumours of foot issues. I hope Chris Grant's mail is right, and we are still interested in him.

 

[Reptilia]

So where do I play bontempelli in my 2016 premiership lineup? Half-back flank? Wing? Chf?

All of them.
Starts on the wing.

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

There must be something about James Aish that none of us are privy too. On talent he's the second best player in the Draft, it makes no sense that us, Melbourne, GWS and the Saints would pass on him if everything were equal, something must be up with him.

 

[_M_16_]

For versatility, why no Scharenberg for us then? Most versatile and best performed. Surely we're not being scared off by rumours of foot issues. I hope Chris Grant's mail is right, and we are still interested in him.

They are not rumors. The AFL clubs were not being told fully of his issues, whether he was hiding them or not, or whether he himself didn't know the extent of issue. Then the Melbourne Demons requested permission from the AFL to get scans done on his feet, and that info can be passed on to other clubs. Turns out he has some stress fracture issues or something which may put him off being able to do any preseason training and miss a chunk of the 2014 season. Also depends on the nature and causes of them as well, could it be an on going thing? hence clubs are hesitant to use a high pick on him now. Though clubs have taken the risk on Selwood and Heppel and both have paid off.

 

[cammo78]

Though clubs have taken the risk on Selwood and Heppel and both have paid off.

You can add Judd to that list.

 

[Aldo]

There must be something about James Aish that none of us are privy too. On talent he's the second best player in the Draft, it makes no sense that us, Melbourne, GWS and the Saints would pass on him if everything were equal, something must be up with him.

I don't think it's that. Everyone acknowledges him as one of the top players, and I think most have him top 5 in quality, but there have been a number sources who don't think he is in that very top echelon. Champion Data rates him as the 8th best player. Quigley and KP also rank him around the 10 range. Maybe these clubs are seeing it the same way as them.

 

[Aldo]

You can add Judd to that list.

And one day, we'll be adding Stringer to that list.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Scharenberg or Bontempelli. I'd argue Scharenberg, others would argue Bontempelli. I'd have it as, from most to least versatile:

Scharenberg > Bontempelli > Billings > Aish

On paper you're correct but you're forgetting that Scharenberg and Billings have both shown very little ability to play through the midfield as yet.

As it stands at this moment, in terms of versatility, in my opinion:
Bontempelli (back/mid/fwd) > Scharenberg (back/fwd) > Billings (fwd/mid) ~ Aish (mid/fwd).

However being versatile and being good can be mutually exclusive in some cases. Versatility shouldn't be our only criterion.

 

[Super Hans]

If we pick Bontempelli because we think he'll be the best player, I'm fine with it.

If we are picking him because of his height and late birthday, it's a very stupid decision.

 

[Super Hans]

Also, reading the phantom drafts on the d&t board, a fair few think the gap between Bontempelli and Aish isn't as big as we all seem to think.

Anyone got any links to full games where Bontempelli has played? Ones he has played will in?

 

[Zgope1]

So where do I play bontempelli in my 2016 premiership lineup? Half-back flank? Wing? Chf?

on the ball. will be crucial in clearances with his hands and should spread well.

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

Also, reading the phantom drafts on the d&t board, a fair few think the gap between Bontempelli and Aish isn't as big as we all seem to think.

Anyone got any links to full games where Bontempelli has played? Ones he has played will in?

He's great in the Vic Country match, I remember that much. He kicks a great goal from about fifty out.

 

[Zgope1]

Just read that Bontempelli averaged 4.3 clearances in the TAC cup and more than a goal a game. So he played as a goal kicking inside mid. Wow. Never got put in the centre clearances full time in the champs which based on his ability get clean dishes out seems to explain why he took a while to get into them. Nevertheless he still worked his way into them with a very very good last game on the wing.

He's an inside/outside mid who's key position height. That's pretty bloody tantalising. I'm getting pretty keen on pulling the trigger to be honest.