List Mgmt. 2013 Draft Discussion

[_M_16_]

The whole height thing is overrated. Usually the taller players are less mobile, but better in the air. Whilst vice versa for the smaller players.

It is marking around the ground that is one of our smaller issues. Just about every single game the last two to three years we have been behind on the stats sheets in terms of total marks in the game, especially up front. Being a taller player, assuming they are also good on the lead, will help give that individual a slight advantage in one on one situations, assuming both players strengths and techniques are the same. Unless we move the ball precisely and fast every game, it is a lot harder to control the tempo of the game. If we get a mark anywhere on the ground, it gives us time to find space and set something up. Rather than be tackled to the ground, trying to play keepers off with handballs in circles, and turning it over all the time.

Whilst there are many more attributes that are more important and needed to be weighed up as a whole from players. Having a little extra height does help in its own ways.

 

[_M_16_]

If there's any inclination he did, then that's not the sort of player we want

Reminds me of that Defensive End currently playing College Football in America by the name of Clowney. Been rated as a possible number one pick for a year or two now, and has not been taking the game seriously this year. Has not played to well, and apparently isn't trying in games. Maybe even faked an or exaggerated an injury or two. Knows he will definitely get drafted, so rather than help his team win by playing to the best of his ability, he is trying to avoid injury to protect his draft position. The higher he goes, the bigger his first pay check. Certainly not the kind of attitude you want on your team, only cares about himself and the money.

Back on Aish, I honest doubt any draftee in the AFL would deliberately play poorly to avoid being drafted by a poorer club. They are all out their trying hard to win a game for their team, and to make and win the Grand Final. If they eased up, everyone would notice. Your dream is to GET drafted. Why would you risk not getting drafted by being lazy, no matter how good you are. You'd be working harder, even if you were a star, to ensure you will get drafted. As Ossie said, any player who does that, is not someone we want on our team.

 

[Tommycash]

Reminds me of that Defensive End currently playing College Football by the name of Clowney. Been rated as a possible number one pick for a year or two now, and has not been taking the game seriously this year. Has not played to well, and apparently isn't trying in games. Maybe even faked an or exaggerated an injury or two. Knows he will definitely get drafted, so rather than help his team win by playing to the best of his ability, he is trying to avoid injury to protect his draft position. The higher he goes, the bigger his first pay check. Certainly not the kind of attitude you want on your team, only cares about himself and the money.

Back on Aish, I honest doubt any draftee would deliberately play poorly to avoid being drafted by a poorer club. They are all out their trying hard to win a game for their team, and to make and win the Grand Final. If they eased up, everyone would notice. Your dream is to GET drafted. Why would you risk not getting drafted by being lazy, no matter how good you are. You'd be working harder, even if you were a star, to ensure you will get drafted. As Ossie said, any player who does that, is not someone we want on our team.

Doesn't your first statement completely contradict your second? On the one hand your accusing a player of not trying to alter his draft position, on the other you're saying that no one would do that.

 

[Super Hans]

Looks like Bontempelli or Aish for pick 4.

Wonder who we want at 42 now, it's going to be such a long wait between picks.

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

We were linked with O'rourke and even Plowman, and ended up with the next bestmacrae( could have been Wines )

We already have a million Wines! Not saying he's not a good player cause he clearly is but when we already have in Wallis, Clay and Boyd he's not a player we cried out for in our midfied. J-Mac's level of creativity with the ball in his hands is special. There's no way Ollie Wines would have the presence of mind to find Adam Cooney running behind him like J-Mac did in the last quarter against Melbourne, he would have just bombed it forward.

 

[Igloo]

Looks like Bontempelli or Aish for pick 4.

Wonder who we want at 42 now, it's going to be such a long wait between picks.

Sending as many Templeton vibes as I can for 42. Praying for the slide.

 

[_M_16_]

Doesn't your first statement completely contradict your second? On the one hand your accusing a player of not trying to alter his draft position, on the other you're saying that no one would do that.

If you read again, you will notice it is two different players, sports and scenarios All I said in the first section is that Ossies comment reminds me of a player overseas in a different sport, who is apparently not giving it his all and it is well documented and questioned by many, including faking injuries. He is not altering his draft position, but merely trying to hold it. He is doing it for the money, not to avoid a crap team. Was not using it in comparison to anything or anyone. It was its own separate comment about something unrelated

I'm just saying I cannot see that happening here in the AFL and doubt Aish would have done that. Not saying that it wont happen at all. But even if you were a big name player, you could still risk not being drafted at all if you play crap enough, or enough for people to see the obvious and question your ethic. All players would be busting their asses off trying to get noticed on the field, which is harder to do in AFL than NFL, and would be trying to get a win. Who doesn't like winning?

 

[timtamWB]

1 Kennedy from Sydney is a tall mid fielder and they did win a flag

One player. We have Stringer/Macrae as tall midfielders. That's one more than Sydney.

 

[Super Hans]

Sending as many Templeton vibes as I can for 42. Praying for the slide.

Surely he won't slide to 42, surely.

I'm on the Chris Cain bandwagon (just like I was on Sam Dwyer last year)

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

One player. We have Stringer/Macrae as tall midfielders. That's one more than Sydney.

And Griff!!!!

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Are Ben Brown and Dawyne Wilson still being looked at for 42?

 

[Igloo]

Surely he won't slide to 42, surely.

I'm on the Chris Cain bandwagon (just like I was on Sam Dwyer last year)

I highly doubt it, but i'm praying anyway .

 

[black pup]

This is the argument I don't understand for Bontempelli - one club in the past however many years has reached a grand final with such a tall midfield, and they didn't even win it. Now all of a sudden it's the way the game is trending towards?

Not having a go at you acker I just think the whole "tall midfield" trend is being seriously overblown and I'd be really, really disappointed if that's why we're taking Bontempelli.

Forget the Mid field, Bontempelli has a lBontempelli - one club in the past however many years has reached a grand final with such a tall midfield, and they didn't even win it. Now all of a sudden it's the way the game is trending towards?

Not having a go at you acker I just think the whole "tall midfield" trend is being seriously overblown and I'd be really, really disappointed if that's why we're taking Bontempelli.[/quote]

 

[paul scholes]

We already have a million Wines! Not saying he's not a good player cause he clearly is but when we already have in Wallis, Clay and Boyd he's not a player we cried out for in our midfied. J-Mac's level of creativity with the ball in his hands is special. There's no way Ollie Wines would have the presence of mind to find Adam Cooney running behind him like J-Mac did in the last quarter against Melbourne, he would have just bombed it forward.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just stating he was linked with us by a few of the watchers.
I'm happy with Macrae and Stringer.
If we're talking "type" players we need someone like Aish as we have Griffen Tagged every week, and Cooney's body still going to have issues. The jury still sits re. Tutt,

 

[black pup]

Bontempelli has the upside to develop into the KPP we have been crying out for, just forget the Mid field, he can play through there now. So much upside to this fellow, just hope we take him.

 

[paul scholes]

Forget the Mid field, Bontempelli has a lBontempelli - one club in the past however many years has reached a grand final with such a tall midfield, and they didn't even win it. Now all of a sudden it's the way the game is trending towards?

Not having a go at you acker I just think the whole "tall midfield" trend is being seriously overblown and I'd be really, really disappointed if that's why we're taking Bontempelli.

[/quote]
All of a sudden tall mids are the new black.
The team who won the flag have the likes of Smith, Hill, and Rioli.
Just pick the best player for god sake

 

[More Bulldog]

Anyone think Cameron Conlon will be there at 42? His highlights package is pretty impressive, as highlights tend to be.good size, athletic, looks a better option than Brown, but has had serious injury issues.

 

[Tommycash]

Anyone think Cameron Conlon will be there at 42? His highlights package is pretty impressive, as highlights tend to be.good size, athletic, looks a better option than Brown, but has had serious injury issues.

It would be a fascinating one. If he is there we'd have to think long and hard about passing on him. He could be just right. I suppose it just depends on who else is around.

 

[Dav1d]

I wonder less about why we're hot on Bontempelli and more about cooling off on Aish

Is there something our recruiters know that isn't common knowledge?

Are Aish's contested ball numbers really that much of a worrying sign? Considering he was coming back from an injury & been tagged or having closer attention paid to him.

I thought we were really supposed to like KK, even met with his family in Tasmania; nothing further on that?

Really like KK as well

 

[ossie_21]

Anyone think Cameron Conlon will be there at 42? His highlights package is pretty impressive, as highlights tend to be.good size, athletic, looks a better option than Brown, but has had serious injury issues.

As already mentioned by somebody, the amount of picks the Lions have in the 2nd round he will go for one of them, if nobody jumps for him before then

 

[Godogs247]

All this debate on Aish or Bontempelli reflects pretty well which way we'll go in the draft. For two years now we've been crying out for a faster, classier midfield so one of these guys is our likely target. In terms of ability I can't see much between the top 6 picks (excluding Boyd of course), so I'd be happy with any of them. But in terms of stated need, it's Aish or Bontempelli who'll wear R W & B next year.

Wow you hit it on the head we have walliss libba hrovatt stevens smith for **** sake we need speed its a given

 

[yebiga]

Wow you hit it on the head we have walliss libba hrovatt stevens smith for **** sake we need speed its a given

Yes but neither are speedsters
That is precisely why I suggested freeman
And got a right old shellacking, for my blasphemy against Aish.

If we need pace than freeman is the man

As for Aish his 16 disposal games in the champs need explaining. Given SA won it anyway, why is it ridiculous to think he may have eased up to avoid GWS, Melbourne, St Kilda or even us? He knew he would be selected in the first round anyway on the back of his history. Those of you who are disciples of Aish may wish to add some further light on his champ performances.

I am trying to find reasons to stick with Aish as I believe bontempelli is such a project and few projects come good.

KK seems the logical option if billings is gone.
Hope our medical assessment s of the Berger are not overly cautious

 

[cammo78]

Scharenburg for mine. Going to be a top line gun.

 

[Igloo]

As for Aish his 16 disposal games in the champs need explaining. Given SA won it anyway, why is it ridiculous to think he may have eased up to avoid GWS, Melbourne, St Kilda or even us? He knew he would be selected in the first round anyway on the back of his history. Those of you who are disciples of Aish may wish to add some further light on his champ performances.

It's been explained to you several times already. I'm sure you can go read one of those answers.

 

[BRG93]

Oh Boy Wowee!!!
Paige Cardona ‏@Paigeos_Hotpies
Well, tonights developments - You can pretty much tick Marcus Bontempelli off as a Western Bulldogs player in 2014. #VeryJealous #AFLDraft