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Much prefer a mature aged Ruck than an 18 year old bean pole who would be useless if called upon, just not convinced that Wood was the best available mature aged out there.
 
HARKER said:
The only reason we would have taken Wood is for us to have a competitive ruck-man at the NB's.

I know that may not coming off as much sense at face value but it's obvious that without a competitive ruck-man at this level, our mids don't get as much opportunity.

We're clearly not into building rucks as much as we are making sure that the mids get plenty of opportunity. For this reason it makes sense.
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Makes sense.
 
Big Sim said:
What do you think happens to high draft picks who don't make it, and there are plenty of them, that they give away footy? Most play on, for money, at a lower level, where they star because they have the skills that led to them being a high draft pick.

How many do you know of that then get drafted again?

I can't think of any either. Anyone? I am genuinely interested.
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ItsAllAboutMe said:
I don't watch much/any state league football, but looking through the VFL (Russ Gabriel) SANFL (Seb Gailhaus) WAFL (Paul Johnson) teams of the year. Then surely these are better options
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Surely a case of 'better the devil you know' in Mick picking up Wood. He knows his game and vice-versa and has worked with him before.
 
Wood is never going to make it. Why not pickup an 18yo beanpole basketballer or Canadian rubgy player as a project. Really think that the recruiting team has lost the plot. It is also a kick in the teeth for Rowe and Casboult as they are seen to be not good enough as emergency backups. Can't remember their contract durations but it seems a renewal is unlikely.
 
Bluesince62 said:
Wood is never going to make it. Why not pickup an 18yo beanpole basketballer or Canadian rubgy player as a project. Really think that the recruiting team has lost the plot. It is also a kick in the teeth for Rowe and Casboult as they are seen to be not good enough as emergency backups. Can't remember their contract durations but it seems a renewal is unlikely.
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Rowe and Casboult were drafted as forwards first and foremost. Now Casboult can concentrate on his duties as a forward and kicking them through the sticks.
 
Blueboiiz said:
Rowe and Casboult were drafted as forwards first and foremost. Now Casboult can concentrate on his duties as a forward and kicking them through the sticks.
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But we all know that with his ball drop he is never going to kick them through the big sticks. I thought being a potential backup ruck was his 2nd string but Mick obviously feels otherwise. We can only hope the track watchers report a different ball drop otherwise he plays out his contract in the NBs.
 
Bluesince62 said:
But we all know that with his ball drop he is never going to kick them through the big sticks. I thought being a potential backup ruck was his 2nd string but Mick obviously feels otherwise. We can only hope the track watchers report a different ball drop otherwise he plays out his contract in the NBs.
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Casboult is a potential backup ruck. But what would we do it Kruz and Warnock both went down? We can't play Cas for entire games in the ruck. Especially for extended periods of time.
 
So Rogers says Thorp was never coming to Carlton. Common sense prevails.
 

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Sublime said:
Casboult is a potential backup ruck. But what would we do it Kruz and Warnock both went down? We can't play Cas for entire games in the ruck. Especially for extended periods of time.
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You play Sam and Levi 30% each in the ruck and draft an 18yo kid to handle the other 40% gametime. (Darcy Cameron, for example, is already a 102kg specimen)

Wasn't the reason we traded Hampson because we had a surplus of rucks - now we rookie a less talented player who's a year older? :oops:
 
Azul said:
You play Sam and Levi 30% each in the ruck and draft an 18yo kid to handle the other 40% gametime. (Darcy Cameron, for example, is already a 102kg specimen)

Wasn't the reason we traded Hampson because we had a surplus of rucks - now we rookie a less talented player who's a year older? :oops:
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But the Hampson trade opened up the Docherty trade. Which also allowed us to get Everitt...and then we took the talented Giles. And we spent our second rookie pick on a back up ruckman. Structurally we're so much better off.
 
Azul said:
You play Sam and Levi 30% each in the ruck and draft an 18yo kid to handle the other 40% gametime. (Darcy Cameron, for example, is already a 102kg specimen)

Wasn't the reason we traded Hampson because we had a surplus of rucks - now we rookie a less talented player who's a year older? :oops:
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Hampson was also on good money. Wood won't be. We won't be playing a 350+ per year player in the VFL every week (whether it be Warnock or Hampson).
 
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“At the National Draft, Zach (Merrett) was a player that we ranked in the top 15 and we got him at pick 26 in exchange for Stewart Crameri.
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This footage doesn't look like a club that ranked Merrett in the top 15. It took them at least one minute before they decided on Merrett. If it's a no brainer, then most clubs can't wait to spit out his player number and name.
 
Azul said:
You play Sam and Levi 30% each in the ruck and draft an 18yo kid to handle the other 40% gametime. (Darcy Cameron, for example, is already a 102kg specimen)

Wasn't the reason we traded Hampson because we had a surplus of rucks - now we rookie a less talented player who's a year older? :oops:
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So we'd have a team containing Rowe, Waite, Casboult & an 18 year old ruck? Not gonna work.

The whole point of getting rid of Hampson was because we had too much cash tied up in 3 ruckmen, so we've done exactly what we needed to and downgraded that third ruck position to a rookie spot while still getting someone with just as much AFL experience as Hampson. Darcy Cameron wasn't picked up by anyone so maybe he doesn't have the potential we'd want from a ruck prospect that we could get next year. You can waste so much time and effort developing ruckmen because they take so long to come along, so we would want to get the right guy to develop in the first place.
 

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Why is everybody so upset, he's a rookie on a one year contract. There's a very good chance he wont play a senior game next year.

If he's playing good footy in the VFL why not get him across to help drill Mick's way into our younger mids.

His career spans six less games than Warnock and from all reports he can tap the ball and do not much else; also sounds like Warnock.

I'm sure if the club thought they needed a 2 to 5 year project ruck kid right now instead of a back up to the back up who has senior experience they would have got one.
 
I wasn't against trading Hampson. I just question the equation of

Rogers' pessimism over every remaining 18yo ruck prospect across every U18 team throughout the nation = Malthouse's optimism over a player who was rarely the first or 2nd choice ruck.

I take a long term approach of developing a quality ruck (Sam Jacobs style) for the next epoch. Clearly Malthouse believes in a 2 year window before Waite and Judd retire or he wouldn't recruit 3 players in their mid 20s.
 
Azul said:
I wasn't against trading Hampson. I just question the equation of

Rogers' pessimism over every remaining 18yo ruck prospect across every U18 team throughout the nation = Malthouse's optimism over a player who was rarely the first or 2nd choice ruck.

I take a long term approach of developing a quality ruck (Sam Jacobs style) for the next epoch. Clearly Malthouse believes in a 2 year window before Waite and Judd retire or he wouldn't recruit 3 players in their mid 20s.
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Maybe they just think that we have the ruck position sewn up for the forseeable 5-6 years and their is no great pressure to develop a young ruck. All of the remaining rucks were passed over 7-8 times by every team.
 
Sublime said:
So we'd have a team containing Rowe, Waite, Casboult & an 18 year old ruck? Not gonna work.
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For the hypothetical 4 week period that Warnock AND Kruezer are absent at the same time? Yes, absolutely.

Recruiting Wood as a VFL ruckman to offset any potential calamity doesn't cut it for me.
Sublime said:
The whole point of getting rid of Hampson was because we had too much cash tied up in 3 ruckmen
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Partly. It was also the periods that Warnock and Hampson spent in the VFL. If the Kreuzer/Casboult tandem is revived, we won't play 2 dedicated rucks most weeks.
 
Kramer1 said:
Maybe they just think that we have the ruck position sewn up for the forseeable 5-6 years and their is no great pressure to develop a young ruck.
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Warnock is almost 27; I personally can't see him lasting that long but at the same time I don't think Wood is the answer.
 
Azul said:
Warnock is almost 27; I personally can't see him lasting that long but at the same time I don't think Wood is the answer.
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I don't think Wood is intended to the the answer. He'll cost us 1/6th of Hampson's wage and offer effectively the same support as a relief ruck.

You never plan on pulling a reserve parachute, but you're pretty pleased its there when needed.
 

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