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Knightmare is a terrific resource no doubt, but you have to remember that many of these Phantoms get updated as time rolls on.
There are no more games nor trials to assess and one only has the media and clubs handing over some info.
Most of us would get a pretty reasonable top 20 down a day or two before the draft, without even knowing the players.

Knightmares phantoms have changed quite a bit since the end of the season already and may well continue to do so until a day or two before the draft.

EDIT: Yeah, thanks Blugazi for making me waste a few minutes of my life. :p
 

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He posted his last "phantom draft" in the same thread, this year he's doing a "power ranking" which is irrespective of teams picks and prefernces

I know Menzel was a gun and the second best player in that draft but he was never going to go at #2 because of his injury history

We got a steal.
In my opinion, we got two steals from last year's draft, but only time will tell.

Knightmare is a terrific resource no doubt, but you have to remember that many of these Phantoms get updated as time rolls on.
There are no more games nor trials to assess and one only has the media and clubs handing over some info.
Most of us would get a pretty reasonable top 20 down a day or two before the draft, without even knowing the players.

Knightmares phantoms have changed quite a bit since the end of the season already and may well continue to do so until a day or two before the draft.

EDIT: Yeah, thanks Blugazi for making me waste a few minutes of my life. :p
Was going to post about the same stuff, so thanks Harks for saving me a few minutes of my life :D
 

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I dont really understand the point youre trying to make. Because he puts in more effort his guesses are worth less?
Regardless if you follow his updates you'll get closer and closer to the mark closer to the draft
 

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I dont really understand the point youre trying to make. Because he puts in more effort his guesses are worth less?
Regardless if you follow his updates you'll get closer and closer to the mark closer to the draft

Not at all. Knightmare answers just about every query that comes his way and there are a lot of queries.

The point is that you may actually run two drafts side by side.
One being where you think the players should go and one where you think they may actually go. They will likely be two very different things.

The ones that show up nearing the draft date are usually where one things they may land.
 

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Geez, Dunstan looks and plays a lot like Heath Scotland. For that reason I think he may be a stretch for us at 13, but he certainly looks the goods and if he has leadership material, he could be a nice get for someone.

Not sure about Salem myself, his highlights, whilst certainly impressive are typical of the old adage that everyone looks good in a highlight package. (Hell, I was good in my wedding video, but the ex will tell you I didnt measure up.) His numbers are fairly low actually and I've read that he's not a volume player at all which is what I would want at 13. With Murph and Juddy getting tagged constantly we need a inside ball winner with a bit of toe IMO.
Salem's numbers are not low at all. 21, 25, 26, 21, 22 disposals in his TAC Cup appearances. 1.8 goals a game and over 5 tackles a game. 21 disposals and 3 goals in round 2 of the national champs in the only game he played in the midfield.

Dunstan is nothing like Scotland. Dunstan is a big bodied (heavier than Scotland already) inside ball winner who struggles a little with his kicking, Scotland is a HBF/wing who can accurately kick 60 on either foot but doesn't get involved in the grunt work (averaged just over 2 tackles a game this year).
 

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I dont really understand the point youre trying to make. Because he puts in more effort his guesses are worth less?
Regardless if you follow his updates you'll get closer and closer to the mark closer to the draft
The difference is that a day or 2 out from the draft, nearly everyone has a pretty good idea of at least the top 10, and usually top 15.
You shouldn't be comparing that to a phantom done 3 weeks out.
 

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Salem's numbers are not low at all. 21, 25, 26, 21, 22 disposals in his TAC Cup appearances. 1.8 goals a game and over 5 tackles a game. 21 disposals and 3 goals in round 2 of the national champs in the only game he played in the midfield.

Dunstan is nothing like Scotland. Dunstan is a big bodied (heavier than Scotland already) inside ball winner who struggles a little with his kicking, Scotland is a HBF/wing who can accurately kick 60 on either foot but doesn't get involved in the grunt work (averaged just over 2 tackles a game this year).
Salem played TAC and nationals mainly as a HBF, the position of choice for kids expected to be on AFL radars. Why do they play mainly HBF? Because that is the easiest position to play and where a kid who is iffy in the midfield is under the microscope can get plenty of footy to show his wares and boost his stats. The positioning of mid size players at Nationals is also guided plenty by clubs wanting to have a look at players in different spots, over the expectations of game results. Those little tid bits comes from ex-TAC Coach, Martin Allison. Hence some of these kids are glorified and then they put nice highlight packages together of them playing all over the field to make them look 'pretty'. Anyway, not a fan at all for our needs, but thats my opinion and never expect anyone to agree.

IMO, Dunstan 'looks' like Scotland in the way he moves and his kicking style is very similar, thats the comparison. Blind Freddy can see the difference in body make-up. Scotto was a midfield player when he first came here IIRC.
 

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Salem played TAC and nationals mainly as a HBF, the position of choice for kids expected to be on AFL radars. Why do they play mainly HBF? Because that is the easiest position to play and where a kid who is iffy in the midfield is under the microscope can get plenty of footy to show his wares and boost his stats. The positioning of mid size players at Nationals is also guided plenty by clubs wanting to have a look at players in different spots, over the expectations of game results. Those little tid bits comes from ex-TAC Coach, Martin Allison. Hence some of these kids are glorified and then they put nice highlight packages together of them playing all over the field to make them look 'pretty'. Anyway, not a fan at all for our needs, but thats my opinion and never expect anyone to agree.

IMO, Dunstan 'looks' like Scotland in the way he moves and his kicking style is very similar, thats the comparison. Blind Freddy can see the difference in body make-up. Scotto was a midfield player when he first came here IIRC.
Salem did not play as a HBF all year, he split time as a forward and a midfielder. I'd say you haven't watched him.

Dunstan is similar to Scotland in the way Joe Daniher is similar to Judd.
 

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Salem played TAC and nationals mainly as a HBF, the position of choice for kids expected to be on AFL radars. Why do they play mainly HBF? Because that is the easiest position to play and where a kid who is iffy in the midfield is under the microscope can get plenty of footy to show his wares and boost his stats. The positioning of mid size players at Nationals is also guided plenty by clubs wanting to have a look at players in different spots, over the expectations of game results. Those little tid bits comes from ex-TAC Coach, Martin Allison. Hence some of these kids are glorified and then they put nice highlight packages together of them playing all over the field to make them look 'pretty'. Anyway, not a fan at all for our needs, but thats my opinion and never expect anyone to agree.

IMO, Dunstan 'looks' like Scotland in the way he moves and his kicking style is very similar, thats the comparison. Blind Freddy can see the difference in body make-up. Scotto was a midfield player when he first came here IIRC.
So you're saying Salem chooses where he plays in order to boost his chances of being drafted? In what planet does the player select where he gets to play? He sure is a prolific goalkicker for a HBF..?
 

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I like Hourigan - but I doubt he'd get to us at Pick #39.

He's a good size but needs to have work ethic drilled into him it would seem (if that's even possible).

Jack Darling without the motor and athleticism. I hope he can be our version of Siposs (with a better work ethic).
 

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I like Hourigan - but I doubt he'd get to us at Pick #39.

He's a good size but needs to have work ethic drilled into him it would seem (if that's even possible).

Jack Darling without the motor and athleticism. I hope he can be our version of Siposs (with a better work ethic).
Maybe he will, maybe he won't. His draft range varies from 30-60 on the AFL meet the draftees profile.

A little like Casboult when he first came down to us.
 

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So you're saying Salem chooses where he plays in order to boost his chances of being drafted? In what planet does the player select where he gets to play? He sure is a prolific goalkicker for a HBF..?
Read the post also... Coaches of AFL teams converse with the U18 coaches in relation to positioning. Cannot at all understand how you drew your conclusion.
 

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Maybe he will, maybe he won't. His draft range varies from 30-60 on the AFL meet the draftees profile.



A little like Casboult when he first came down to us.
That's exactly what i was thinking.

Hourigan has the same red rosy cheeks as Casboult too. Twins!

 
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