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Is there any chance of a recurring problem having this issue early on in the piece? Wonder what the causes are: genetic, training too hard (running), body growing too quickly?
Bone stress reactions can be caused by a variety of reasons, it could be nutrients, overloading that part of the body, footwear, or body mechanics. A common cause would be a large amount of running on hard surfaces. It could be from previous history of similar injuries as well but I have not heard anything on that front about his history of injuries so let's hope it's not a reoccurring thing.
 

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I tolerated the talk for a while but it's becoming an obsession for some and then there's the doubting credible posters in an area that I would pay the most attention to.
I for one dont necessarily doubt the information, although by no means do I entirely believe it
I do doubt the thinking process that that information equates to him being undraftable
It would take a lot to raise enough of an issue to cross him off the list in my mind
And I think a lot on hear are making the jump to quickly
 
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Twomey saying that we went over to W.A. to visit Cripps at home.

We're obviously serious on him to head out that far to say hello.

There is a fair bit of talk now that we're very keen on Cripps.

I can't say I know much about him or the rest of the draft pool, but from what we know I'd be somewhat disappointed should we use pick 13 on him.

Would be very happy to use pick 39 on him if he's available but 13 does seem to me to be a bit of a stretch.

With talk lately surrounding our interest in Dunstan and Cripps I'd be thrilled to see them both in Navy Blue at the end of the draft.
 

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Knightmare has just updated his Phantom and now has Sheed coming our way.
Sheed may fall to us but look at his selections at 39 and 51. :oops: Is he having a laugh?

I'd scream blue murder if we drafted MT at 39 when Tsitas, Giles and Nankervis were still available. :mad:

Likewise at 51, to select a 26yo depth midfielder who'd struggle to get a game. Thus passing on Marsh, Harvey, J Kolodjashnij and Honeychurch. o_O
 

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MM known for drafting people you wouldnt necessarily expect. I dont think it will be so much who will fall to us so much as who will we decide to select that we maybe would have though would go in the late teens to ensure we get them at #13. Based on purely judging how they presented themselves I think Cripps seems an impressive young man with plenty of development still to go and would fit into our culture. Seems a genuine character, excitable, and fits our needs. If you look at his personality next to Menzel I think they are very similar and based on the fact we went for that last year you can reasonably expect that is what we are also looking for in terms of our culture.
 

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Culture can be described in decisions. The reason why I think we would likely take Cripps based on character is the reason why we would never consider taking Thorpe. And thats our culture.
 
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I tolerated the talk for a while but it's becoming an obsession for some and then there's the doubting credible posters in an area that I would pay the most attention to.
We may not be looking at him. We may never have been. This may be because of his past attitude or it may be because of his current attitude or it may be we have other plans. The club may have told someone this but they haven't made it public as other clubs have. I'm not quite sure why anybody would get offended because they indicated we were not into Thorp and some choose to keep talking about him. That is the nature of popular forums and not to be taken seriously. Nobody is getting hurt here. If Mick himself told me we weren't doing something and not everybody believed me, I couldn't care less to be honest.
 

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^^^^^

For all the talk of recruitment, reckon MM, ever the Autocrat would still hold sway. He went up north and met Everitt, and pretty much signed him off his own bat.

This is a bloke that sacked a Brownlow medallist after one year, took Leigh Brown - pretty much meat and spuds, and took Krakoeur straight out of the big house.

Is probably why he has been in the coaching game for 30 years.:thumbsu:
 

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Martin Pike would say bollocks to that.
Not really sure what the relevance of that comment is. All I say is culture is defined in decisions. Poor culture has crippled Melbourne, Brisbane and St Kilda in recent times through poor decisions. I talk about our culture based on our decisions, and on the whole you can draw a medium line through what we do as a club and project who we might inevitably draft based on those decisions. An outstanding example would be trading a coleman medalist to maintain our culture. I think half of the AFL clubs wouldn't have had the balls to do that. We won't be picking up Thorpe as a result. Whether it's right or wrong, that's culture.
 

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Not so sure Cripps is a stretch at 13 IMO. He certainly won't be there at 39. Just looked at his highlight reel for what that in itself is worth. If the club are keen, I wouldn't be disappointed.
I'm going to laugh so hard the day he gets the blood rule.
 

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Always good for a read this board because of the amount of discussion (even if I'm not always a fan of the discussion points). Therefore I just wanted to impart my opinion on Cripps at 13. Quite simply it's a ripper move for mine if Rogers goes down that path.

I want him at 10 to Collingwood (I started a thread on our board voicing that opinion). He was elite inside the contest against his peers at the carnival and with that growth spurt has so much development left in him. I don't know why the BF collective has him so far down the order, but on draft night I believe he'll go earlier than most on here expect.
 

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Always good for a read this board because of the amount of discussion (even if I'm not always a fan of the discussion points). Therefore I just wanted to impart my opinion on Cripps at 13. Quite simply it's a ripper move for mine if Rogers goes down that path.
Could be a hard trigger to pull given there seem to be queries about Cripps' athleticism but if we've ticked off on that coming good, then fine.
How tall is Cripps now? We have listings of 188 - 192 cm?

Not sure why but I think we'd let the likes of Bontempelli, Freeman and Acres slide should they be available at our selection.
McCarthy also seems unlikely to be of interest at this pick and I don't think we'd target Crouch or Taylor either.

So what have we left? Dunstan, Dumont and Cripps...................who knows?
 

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Could be a hard trigger to pull given there seem to be queries about Cripps' athleticism but if we've ticked off on that coming good, then fine.
How tall is Cripps now? We have listings of 188 - 192 cm?

Not sure why but I think we'd let the likes of Bontempelli, Freeman and Acres slide should they be available at our selection.
McCarthy also seems unlikely to be of interest at this pick and I don't think we'd target Crouch or Taylor either.

So what have we left? Dunstan, Dumont and Cripps...................who knows?
They'd be legitimate concerns with the growth spurt, but when you're getting 63% of your possessions in a contest plus 6 clearances a game you don't really need to be all that athletically gifted ala JPK.

He's currently running a mid 13 beep if he bumps that up to high 14's to 15 (which is a given in an elite environment one would hope) he becomes a marking option around the ground as well with the extra height thus adding another dimension to his game.

It might be easy for me to sit back and say that from my perspective a) being a supporter of a club with two top ten picks meaning we can go safe with one (Aish or Scharanberg) and get a bit crafty with the second and b) without my job on the line.

However having said all that someone will get a bargain with Cripps IMO. Cripps aside Dunstan looks a nice solid pick at 13 if the likes of Salem or Freeman are gone.
 

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Poor culture has crippled Melbourne, Brisbane and St Kilda in recent times through poor decisions. I talk about our culture based on our decisions, and on the whole you can draw a medium line through what we do as a club and project who we might inevitably draft based on those decisions. An outstanding example would be trading a coleman medalist to maintain our culture. I think half of the AFL clubs wouldn't have had the balls to do that. We won't be picking up Thorpe as a result. Whether it's right or wrong, that's culture.

A Coleman medallist with a drinking problem, a gambling problem, an ego problem, and who was increasingly creating problems on-field because of a lack of desire to chase and harrass.

Culture has nothing to do with it. Fev was a liability and everyone knew it. Everyone bar Voss, at least. We'd been talking about trading him for years before we pulled the trigger.

And to say that a guy who COACHED a team to a premiership from half forward might be bad for out culture is just non-sensical. If a guy who coached a team doesn't get the idea of teamwork and leadership and playing a role, then who the hell would? I'd be more worried about an untried 18 year old fitting in, than the guy who was captain, coach, development coach, counsellor, and media spokesman for the TSL premiers.

All the talk about the club being afraid to recruit a guy like Thorp, anyone like that, a player who was delisted but then made good, is just blind to reality. We've done it in the past for players with less credentials and less talent -- Rowe, Cachia, Curnow, etc.
 

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You can just see GWS, Geelong, Freo, Port and Sydney getting bargains with all of the mids available. Looks an even batch if some of these names make it to 13 or later. Sheed, Bontempelli, Taylor, Dunstan, Jones, Cripps, Acres, Freeman and Dumont. A tall prospect such as Acres and Bontempelli could really be something if he slides to a side with a great development program. Reckon the Swans would love to get a tall utility with Goodes nearly done.

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In the TAC Cup preliminary final, Jones was involved in 11 of 13 last-quarter score involvements to complement 28 disposals and 10 tackles as the inside midfielder drove the Stingrays into the grand final.

Stingrays coach Graeme Yeats thinks he'd be a fine fit at Geelong, which is considering Jones at pick 16.

"He's `maniacle'. A hard-nosed and fierce competitor who challenges himself,'' Yeats said.

"One of the hungriest kids I've seen come through the system.
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A Coleman medallist with a drinking problem, a gambling problem, an ego problem, and who was increasingly creating problems on-field because of a lack of desire to chase and harrass.

Culture has nothing to do with it. Fev was a liability and everyone knew it. Everyone bar Voss, at least. We'd been talking about trading him for years before we pulled the trigger.

And to say that a guy who COACHED a team to a premiership from half forward might be bad for out culture is just non-sensical. If a guy who coached a team doesn't get the idea of teamwork and leadership and playing a role, then who the hell would? I'd be more worried about an untried 18 year old fitting in, than the guy who was captain, coach, development coach, counsellor, and media spokesman for the TSL premiers.

All the talk about the club being afraid to recruit a guy like Thorp, anyone like that, a player who was delisted but then made good, is just blind to reality. We've done it in the past for players with less credentials and less talent -- Rowe, Cachia, Curnow, etc.
What?

You'd take quality 18 year olds with the character of Judd, Kreuzer, Henderson, Gibbs, Menzel and Nick Graham on every day of the week.


"It's not rare that as I'm leaving, Nick's still in the rooms. Either getting treatment, doing some touch or just trying to improve himself."

Rowe, Gumbleton, Curnow, Barlow and Podsiadly have overcome more obstacles than Thorp to get contracts. Gumbleton was crippled by a back injury. Rowe was delisted and beat cancer. Pods was delisted by the Pies. Toiled away in the VFL before getting another chance. Barlow was overlooked and broke his leg.

Curnow was leading the Liston Trophy before breaking his ankle. One of the fittest players in the AFL with his work rate.

You could put Mark Austin in the same boat. Aussie looks to have survived at the Dogs after being injury prone at Carlton. They keep working hard without blowing their chances like the Thorps of this world.

They clearly have more character and want than Thorp.

Typical of our supporter base to deride our players and defend outsiders. Pathetic.
 

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What I liked about Cripps interview on AFL website is that he said before his growth spurt he had developed really clean hand skills etc to overcome his lack of height. So now with the growth spurt he has the skills of a little guy in a 190cm+ body.
He was either 1st or 2nd in clearances for WA too.
He's not Jamie Cripps' brother. They're cousins apparently.

But I just can't see us overlooking a Lennon or Salem etc if they are there.

I guess we'll see.
 
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