List Mgmt. 2013 DRAFT

[ferrisb]

If you go back 40 pages and 3 weeks back in this thread, you'd probably find Crouch was the draftee-de-jour due to his ball magnetism.

Faster, more versatile types with cleaner disposal seem to have surpassed Crouch in the groupthink but he'd be a legitimate choice at 13. 40 touches at 65% effectiveness is more valuable than 25 at 75%

I was thinking the same thing. Don't have a problem if we do/don't pick Cripps. But if you're getting him as an inside midfielder, wouldn't you be better off picking the best inside-midfielder in the draft? Or does Cripps' height and better outside game more than compensate?

 

[Kramer1]

What has nine arms, ten legs, makes noise and sucks? Def Leppard!

We've gotten along just fine until now Ferris...let's not go changing that. Anymore cracks about Def Leppard and I will glamour rock you into the ****ing ground.

 

[BM123]

Which will rustle the most jimmies on this board? Drafting Cripps or Thorp.

Jimmies will be more then rustled if we pick Thorp.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Can we afford to take the risk of another McCarthy?

 

[goreds]

I was thinking the same thing. Don't have a problem if we do/don't pick Cripps. But if you're getting him as an inside midfielder, wouldn't you be better off picking the best inside-midfielder in the draft? Or does Cripps' height and better outside game more than compensate?

Good points...

I think we are being guided by the opposition teams at the top end...

Mick is a fan of Freo and Sydney and is acutely aware that they manhandle us at the stoppages all the time... BIG midfielders are the key to a sustained season...

Best available today against boys is one thing, 3 years and 6-8 kilos of muscle on a 192 frame is scary...!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I'm torn. I love the idea of having the second best tall in the draft at #13 and love the idea of bolstering our midfield stocks. I don't think all of the mids that could possibly go at 13 will make it based on the law of averages so I'm coming back around to the idea of McCarthy. It will take a couple of years to get him regularly playing in the seniors and Waite will be gone by then. We need to start investing in height, not just trying to catch lightning in a bottle with late or rookie picks.

 

[Kramer1]

I'm torn. I love the idea of having the second best tall in the draft at #13 and love the idea of bolstering our midfield stocks. I don't think all of the mids that could possibly go at 13 will make it based on the law of averages so I'm coming back around to the idea of McCarthy. It will take a couple of years to get him regularly playing in the seniors and Waite will be gone by then. We need to start investing in height, not just trying to catch lightning in a bottle with late or rookie picks.

Agree wholeheartedly. The cupboard is bare...and very rarely are quality talls taken outside of the first round.

 

[HARKER]

Agree wholeheartedly. The cupboard is bare...and very rarely are quality talls taken outside of the first round.

Would sooner have Walker take up the forward post again than have a limp forward there because of height.

Next year should be our "forwards" year after not getting our wants this year. Not enough mids and your forward line is impotent anyway.

Feeling good about Cripps after reading goreds post. Makes sense doesn't it?

 

[Kramer1]

Would sooner have Walker take up the forward post again than have a limp forward there because of height.

Next year should be our "forwards" year after not getting our wants this year. Not enough mids and your forward line is impotent anyway.

Feeling good about Cripps after reading goreds post. Makes sense doesn't it?

You mean next year in a trading sense?

I don't see us lifting silverware next year. Developing talls is the price paid for lists that want to contend. If McCarthy is good enough for our rectuiters he is good enough for me...on limited footage I do like the way he goes about it. Certainly looks to have the mobility required of a modern forward and I like the urgency in his game...he really looks to keep things moving. I want some young developing forwards who can contribute when Murphy and Gibbs are still prime in their late twenties.

Equally happy with Cripps or whatever other name happens to be read out. Except Freeman...for some reason he just doesn't grab me. Or Taylor. Or Lennon. Outside of that anyone. Probably.

 

[Silvagnis]

Would sooner have Walker take up the forward post again than have a limp forward there because of height.

Next year should be our "forwards" year after not getting our wants this year. Not enough mids and your forward line is impotent anyway.

Feeling good about Cripps after reading goreds post. Makes sense doesn't it?

Yes. We might need another giant mid after our first half in the Richmond final and the soft effort in the Sydney final. Cripps might not be the one, but I think we'll go for this type of player.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Would sooner have Walker take up the forward post again than have a limp forward there because of height.

Next year should be our "forwards" year after not getting our wants this year. Not enough mids and your forward line is impotent anyway.

Feeling good about Cripps after reading goreds post. Makes sense doesn't it?

Well I feel we are two mids up on 2013 already, 3 if Carrazzo is good to go.

I am concerned about how long it takes to get forwards up and running so waiting another year just adds another year. I was all for Lucas who was a slider and I think he is improving and will make it, but honestly, who here would go for Talia, Carlisle or Black instead given their time over again?

As for Walker up forward, he did have Thornton (20 games), Waite (12) and O'hAilpin (8) providing structure. It was a bit of rotating set up, hardly a permanent key post.

I was particularly happy to get Docherty on board so that he can nail down a rebounding half back position and Walker could spend more time in the midfield. Has pace, has strength, and aggression and has done well through there when pinch hitting. I don't really want to put him somewhere where he is out of the play so much.

Judd
Murphy
Gibbs
Thomas
Carrazzo
McLean
Robinson
Bell
Curnow
Simpson
Walker
Lucas
Ellard
Armfield
Graham
Menzel

vs

Waite
Rowe
Casboult
Henderson (swingman 50/50)
Kreuzer (resting ruck)

I know which one has more depth, although I definitely would like to keep stacking that midfield for the future. Next year may be a tall draft but how many teams are going to choose before us?

At the end of the day the club have to manage this, but I can't see that the case for getting McCarthy is less than the case for grabbing the best available mid, especially since it wouldn't be a reach to grab him.

Then again ... maybe the club are going for developed talls later in the draft. Any names come to mind? I mean does anybody truly think we should go in to a season with 6 key position players and 2 rucks? I'm thinking that Garlett, Menzel and Yarran would like some height to crumb to up there all year.

 

[HBF]

Yes. We might need another giant mid after our first half in the Richmond final and the soft effort in the Sydney final. Cripps might not be the one, but I think we'll go for this type of player.

Agree with this.
Bid bodied mid at 13, and then look to the KPP rich draft next year.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I'm hoping the club are smart in the way they react to things. Too short, we drafted tall mids and flankers to become the tallest team on average in the comp a few years back. Problem was a lot of them were busts. Now we are told we lack outside run, but we lack inside height and strength. In every single loss we could probably pinpoint differing reasons as to why we lost. The truth is we have a lot of deficiencies that will not be addressed in the draft alone.

Lucas, Menzel and Yarran improve and come into/stay in the midfield and we have plenty of outside run. Bell improves and becomes that Watson/Kennedy mid we are hell bent on getting. Then we ask, 'what if they don't?' and the question comes back 'why are they there then?' These are exactly the types these guys are and they are taking up list spots. We can't collect potential mids taking up a third of our list, just on the off chance that a handful of them will be stayers. If we think that is what we should do, why are we not giving that same logic to key positions since they are even harder to come by and take longer to develop?

I'll be happy whoever we get, but I get a little confused around draft time. Mids are all the rage and the eyes start to glaze over. We don't want to reach for a tall and that is the problem we usually face. By almost every account, if McCarthy was still there at #13, it wouldn't be a reach. Are we looking for immediacy?

 

[LemmingMaster]

Next year is meant to have a larger range of quality talls, maybe 2014 is the year for our talls.

 

[Azul]

Next year is meant to have a larger range of quality talls, maybe 2014 is the year for our talls.

A bird in the hand...

How deep does it run? I've heard roughly 7 out of the top dozen will be 190cm+. But if we finish 6th again, we collect the dregs at pick 13.

 

[Bradschi]

Then again ... maybe the club are going for developed talls later in the draft. Any names come to mind?

Wouldn't mind giving Joel Tippett a go, good athleticism, very good leap, seems to be a decent defender.
Got traits that can see him become a swingman at the top level if given the chance

 

[HBF]

Next year is meant to have a larger range of quality talls, maybe 2014 is the year for our talls.

This what Shane Rogers and his team will have to weigh up when they are making their decision at 13.
If McCarthy is gone, then the decision is quite a bit easier.

 

[Omega Blue]

How does brown compare to someone like tom lee who kicked 60 goals in a WAFL season? Browns bigger, can pinch hit in the ruck.... anything else?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Judd may not be around in 2015
Carrazzo must be a bit of a concern as a 30 y.o. also
Robinson could have easily been traded this year
Simpson has found a new home now
Walker won't suddenly become a mid
Lucas can't be relied upon yet
Ellard as much as I like him isn't best 22 any more
Armfield isn't a mid

All of a sudden we're largely relying on some players we haven't relied on as being line breaking mids. We're somewhat short stacked in quality where it's needed most.

All good points Harks, but surely the same argument can be made for our talls.

Waite - may not be around in 2015
Casboult - is he best 22?
Rowe - is he best 22?
Watson - can he hold down CHB?
Jamison - He's 27, 28 next year. Do tall defenders last as long as midfielders as a rule? Missed 16 games in 2011/12.
Henderson - all depends on Watson so still up in the air. Missed 20 games in 2011/12.

Kreuzer - not a key tall by any stretch. Also suffered through injury in recent years.
Warnock - not a key tall period. Injury plagued.

As for Walker and Armfield, we are talking depth of rotations here and both have played in the midfield. Simpson spending a year back doesn't mean he has to stay there unless we have no other options. See Walker 2011. Again, we are talking depth in our rotations.

Now we pick up an 18 year old key tall in the 2014 draft. How soon until he cements a position in the side? How much older will our mids be then?

As I said, I'm happy with whatever we do as we have needs everywhere. It just seems that others who put faith in our recruiters would probably be disappointed if we took McCarthy at, or later than, his ranking.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

This what Shane Rogers and his team will have to weigh up when they are making their decision at 13.
If McCarthy is gone, then the decision is quite a bit easier.

I suspect he will be gone but there may be plenty of table leaning and a time extension if he isn't, unless of course they don't rate him at all.

 

[Bradschi]

#69 Carlton - Jake Kolodjashnij (TAS – KPD/Util)
Height: 192cm, Weight: 88kg, DOB: 09/08/1995
Recruited from: Launceston
Style: Ryan Shoenmakers
Player comparison:
Range: 35-rookie
Profile: The brother of Kade, Jake is a completely different player. Jake is a defender with a strong body and the ability to shut down opposition forwards or play as a rebounder as required. What I like with Jake is his versatility and ability to play a number of roles either as a key defender or even as more of a rebounder off a back flank or even up the field. He’s relatively athletic at his size and not a bad user of the footy. But in saying that I’m not yet sold on him in any one role. As a key defender despite his size he can struggle 1v1 and also struggle when the ball hits the deck with that second effort not yet there. Probably more of the third tall at the next level if he finds a role.

This is Knightmare's phantom draft, has us picking up the other Kolojashnij, with our fourth pick. While on the club's website it stated we're likely to use only 3 live selections, if this kid is still around I reckon it'd be worth the 4th live selection, but we'll need to play him as a key defender as the rebounding role has added depth during the trade period. Of course thats assuming this kid will last that long into the draft.

 

[Jock]

To someone who is totally out of the loop who are the young tough bastards in this draft. We are still a nice club and desperately need a couple of hard nosed pricks to stiffen us up a bit. In our glory days we always had some nasty pricks in amongst our champions and sometimes they were even both. Hawthorn have got the mix right and surprise, surprise, saluted.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I do not lile this cripps talk, why take the 2nd best inside midfielder in the draft, as he has been described as, when we could take the best inside Midfielder in Crouch
I'm not saying we should draft crouch as currently he's about third on my wishlist, but he is far and away above Cripps

 

[Azul]

Who's this Snoop dog and why as a pies fan is (s)he being so nice?

Cripps, Marsh, McStay, Cavarra, Thorp, Lambert, Scotland.

That's a draft mix that should keep everyone happy.

 

[Silvagnis]

I do not lile this cripps talk, why take the 2nd best inside midfielder in the draft, as he has been described as, when we could take the best inside Midfielder in Crouch
I'm not saying we should draft crouch as currently he's about third on my wishlist, but he is far and away above Cripps

If we take Cripps, then he's the best inside mid in the draft.

Cripps had 40 touches in his last Colts game.

http://www.wafl.com.au/players/view/4972

Also captained WA after Sheed broke his arm.