List Mgmt. 2013 DRAFT

[Bradschi]

If Freeman falls to our pick I'd find it hard to read out his name quick enough. Lightening speed, incredible acceleration, and good decision making. Kicking lets him down, however is exactly what we could do with.

Freeman/Acres/Dunstan are the three I would love. I just don't feel Crouch is the best fit for us.

I'd pick Freeman too if he was available at our selection, but the kicking thing is hardly what we can do with, we need accurate kicks by foot, can't have enough of those, especially seeing that we don't even have enough of them.

 

[Cringle]

I'd pick Freeman too if he was available at our selection, but the kicking thing is hardly what we can do with, we need accurate kicks by foot, can't have enough of those, especially seeing that we don't even have enough of them.

Hes by no means a bad kick, just not elite.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

1. Boyd
2. Kelly
3 - 7 Billings, Aish, Scharenberg, Kolodjashni, Bontempelli
8. McDonald
9.
10.
11. Sheed
12. Salem
13.

I think we'll get a decent opportunity to pick up a gun. Boyd and Kelly seem to be firming as locks for 1, 2. Those next five will round out the top 7, with KK the only legitimate chance to slide. McDonald locked in at 8. WCE are surely heavily into Sheed to explain their awful trade. And Richmond once again, the same with Vlastuin have locked themselves into Salem as has been reported.

Which leaves us with
McCarthy or a pick between Lennon, Feeeman, Crouch, Acres etc etc

I'll rest easy with any of those choices but my heart may skip a beat if we draft Crouch

 

[Sin City]

Any guarantees on the Larke medalist still being available at 11? Just makes me think it may actually be Acres the Eagles have in mind.

 

[ESKIE]

#13 Crouch/Freeman/Dunstan

#39 - anyones guess

#51 is where id pull the trigger on Tippett.

#69 Conlon

# after that meh.

Yes its a bit early for Tippett, but we have added a 194cm Fwd/wing utility.

A great up and coming hbf with pace, composure and a laser boot.

A midfielder who not 2 years ago was touted as being in the top half dozen players in the league.

As i've stated before our problem isnt forward, its our backline where our best forward is being wasted there, Tippett down back..... Hendo >>>>>>>>>> Thorp.

we've had a corka of a trade period, apart from the first 2 picks lets reach to ensure we get what we need.

no need Zee he'll be a great get if we get him, had a fantastic year.

Do ou think tippett would still be available at 51

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

The next Josh Donaldson.

Racist.

I suppose all red heads look the same to you??

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/joel-tippett

Joel Tippetts highlights are now on the AFL website.

 

[Silvagnis]

Joel Tippett's highlights clip is now on AFL.com.au...pretty damn impressive. Any SANFL watchers want to bring me back to reality though?

Sam Rowe's AFL highlights were more impressive...

Rookie.

 

[Silvagnis]

23 days to the draft: Meet gun prospect Matt Crouch

DRAFT RANGE: A bracket of more complete midfielders is ranked ahead of him, but Crouch is likely to fit into the late first-round or early-second round zone.

23 days to the draft: Meet gun prospect Matt Crouch

 

[No1Suspect]

Any guarantees on the Larke medalist still being available at 11? Just makes me think it may actually be Acres the Eagles have in mind.

I was thinking the same thing sin, they have run in Shuey and Gaff, grunt in Selwood they don't have the Fyfe like x factor mid so i was thinking acres could be their man.

Having said that if Sheed came on at another club West Coast would be put to the sword for not grabbing him given his credentials at present.

 

[No1Suspect]

Sam Rowe's AFL highlights were more impressive...

Rookie.

When are a backmans highlights ever more impressive than a forwards?

 

[Sin City]

I was thinking the same thing sin, they have run in Shuey and Gaff, grunt in Selwood they don't have the Fyfe like x factor mid so i was thinking acres could be their man.

Having said that if Sheed came on at another club West Coast would be put to the sword for not grabbing him given his credentials at present.

I just think when six of the last seven Larke medal winners have been drafted in the top three it's a bit of a stretch to assume he'll be there at 11. Possibly a team that's lost Dom Tyson and Taylor Adams from their young midfield brigade could see him as a necessary addition for example, they took O'Rourke last year. Perhaps the Eagles know something like this already. Who knows......

 

[Silvagnis]

When are a backmans highlights ever more impressive than a forwards?

When are highlights an impartial representation of what they can and can't do?

More Tippett and Thorp love based on highlights and what they've done at the lower level.

Add Kane Lambert and we'll be premiers.

 

[Garth Vader]

I'd pick Freeman too if he was available at our selection, but the kicking thing is hardly what we can do with, we need accurate kicks by foot, can't have enough of those, especially seeing that we don't even have enough of them.

Hes by no means a bad kick, just not elite.

Judd is not an elite kick. I don't want to put pressure on the kid (unless someone else recruits him), but his speed, extreme changes of direction (sometimes coupled with a u-turn) and line-breaking are a bit reminiscent of No.5. The other thing that I've noticed about him is that he's a very solid build for his age. Meh, still think Crouch or Dunstan will be our man @ #13.

 

[Garth Vader]

When are highlights an impartial representation of what they can and can't do?

More Tippett and Thorp love based on highlights and what they've done at the lower level.

Add Kane Lambert and we'll be premiers.

I was about to scold you...........until I noticed the bolded word (Dyslexia is a curse )

Why the name change, RK??????

 

[Azul]

When are a backmans highlights ever more impressive than a forwards?

Well I'd be happy to draft Hugh Beasley at pick 69, solely on the highlights video. He looks like a replacement for Jamison.

He's a 17yo, so you'd expect him to take him a while but seems to have good smarts.

 

[No1Suspect]

Judd is not an elite kick. I don't want to put pressure on the kid (unless someone else recruits him), but his speed, extreme changes of direction (sometimes coupled with a u-turn) and line-breaking are a bit reminiscent of No.5. The other thing that I've noticed about him is that he's a very solid build for his age. Meh, still think Crouch or Dunstan will be our man @ #13.

I dont think a slight comparison to the great man would put much pressure on the kid, if anything he should take it as a compliment? If he was touted all year to be the next coming of Judd then maybe, but you would also expect him to slot into the #2 spot and be heading to GWS.

Certainly would not be against getting him though! i think it will be Acres if available for us or the 2 you've suggested. Dumont a smokey.

 

[Blue Flame]

I would really like Freeman, but hard to see him slipping that far. A clearance specialist with pace is just what the doctor ordered.
If there are any decent talls we can take them later on, otherwise just rookie some guys for insurance. Don't want to waste a pick and a contract on anyone when there are better options available.

 

[No1Suspect]

Well I'd be happy to draft Hugh Beasley at pick 69, solely on the highlights video. He looks like a replacement for Jamison.

He's a 17yo, so you'd expect him to take him a while but seems to have good smarts.

I wasnt suggesting a backmans highlights package would be bad just that in most cases compared to a decent forward they arent quite as impressive.

Looks a player, but at 192 you'd think hed be a 3rd tall?

 

[a_shot_on_ehlo]

I just think when six of the last seven Larke medal winners have been drafted in the top three it's a bit of a stretch to assume he'll be there at 11. Possibly a team that's lost Dom Tyson and Taylor Adams from their young midfield brigade could see him as a necessary addition for example, they took O'Rourke last year. Perhaps the Eagles know something like this already. Who knows......

Are you doing a phantom this year Sin?

 

[Silvagnis]

Judd is not an elite kick. I don't want to put pressure on the kid (unless someone else recruits him), but his speed, extreme changes of direction (sometimes coupled with a u-turn) and line-breaking are a bit reminiscent of No.5. The other thing that I've noticed about him is that he's a very solid build for his age.

Judd's a 188 cm beast compared to Freeman.

Freeman's speed and play reminds me of Murphy, Yarran and Shuey. Sweeps past to receive and accelerates to deliver the ball on the run. Doesn't appear to be an iffy kick like Crouch and Zak Jones. Would be happy for Carlton to take another quick mid with skill.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I'm guessing Quigley isn't a fan of Brisbane possibly picking up Ben Lennon?!

Absolutely savaged him lol

 

[zeeCFC]

Link?

I'm guessing Quigley isn't a fan of Brisbane possibly picking up Ben Lennon?!

Absolutely savaged him lol

 

[Azul]

Looks a player, but at 192 you'd think hed be a 3rd tall?

The kid is a month off his 18th birthday. Might still grow a cm or two.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I can't find the actual post (as they didn't link it), but heres what was reposted on the Richmond Draft Board from Quigley.

For a different perspective on Lennon.

Ben Lennon
DOB 5/7/95 Ht 189 Wt 80

Lennon has been a Twomey love child this year, putting out several articles telling us how great Lennon is and how he is a virtual certainty for the top 10. Play anywhere on the ground, explosive, elite kick yadda yadda yadda. Well personally I do not see it. He looks like the typical second tier Metro kid who finishes the year well and they are talked up out of all proportion. A lot of people on BF have jumped onboard the Lennon love train and it is possible that I am wrong but if he is taken in the top 10 I am going to be shocked. This is not a case where I rate his tools a bit differently to others I just do not see him having those tools to start with.

Lets start with probably the big issue. Of the flanker/midfield groups he would sit firmly at or very close to bottom for athleticism and very real questions have to be asked about whether he has the athletic ability to play at AFL level most especially in his preferred HFF role. Lets start physically. 189cm is pretty good for a midfielder but it is getting to be pretty average for a flanker and combine that with short arms and small hands and we are not off to a fantastic start in supposedly his strength area. Another thing which gets talked up is his explosiveness. Well he was bottom 20% (this includes rucks remember) over the first 5m of the 20m sprint and his back half was nothing out of the ordinary leaving him with a time in the 3.20 range. So pace and explosiveness are a cross. I will say that his repeat sprints were better but that only put him up into the average category.

I have seen show a good lateral movement to evade tacklers but I have also seen him get nailed by tacklers that I thought he should have been able to step around and so I was interested to see what he scored in the agility test. Bottom 5%. The only players who scored worse than him on the agility test were a few rucks and many of them scored better than him. I will say that I was surprised with the result. I had a big range in my mind where he could go but bottom 5% was well below where I thought he would end up. Beep in the mid 13s was nothing to write home about and a bottom 25% in the 3km was disappointing. A lot of the highlights for Lennon are him taking nice marks so jumping was expected to be decent at the very least. Well he was bottom 10% in the vertical and below 50% in each of the running jumps.

If I am honest I will concede that these results surprised me a lot. I did not expect him to be a stand out athlete but I did think he was probably going to be above average. He obviously plays better than he tests but these sort of athletic deficiencies are often found out at AFL level when playing against guys who are just as smart as you are as a footballer and are much superior athletes. So even before we start to look at his game there are big question marks.

Okay onto his game and I hear a lot of talk about how great a kick Lennon is. Pin point passes over 50m to hit guys in stride on the chest. Well I have to say that I have missed those ones. I would say that Lennon is a good kick but I am not seeing it as being elite and it is probably a fair way from that. He does have good penetration and can hoof it 55m. His usual approach is to go with long or 3/4 kicks which are most often to contests. He does not tend to look to use short to intermediate targets as much as he should and will probably be instructed to lower his eyes more at AFL level. I do not rate his decision making or vision as being anything more than average for his position. He tends to take obvious targets which is not bad but I do not see him setting up play like Billings say who played a similar role at the Champs. Around goals he could also be better and will miss goals you would like to see him get. He waves the ball a little in his set shot approach but nothing too bad. As with his field kicking he has good range and might actually be better further from goal where the pressure is on him a bit less.

Okay I have been very harsh on him up to this time. What does he do well? Well his marking gets a lot of praise and I would tend to agree with that. I think his hands are good (but not great) and he uses his body excellently in marking contests. He is strong through the core and maintains focus and balance really well in body on body situations. He judges the ball in the air pretty well and marks most that come his way. With the ball on the ground he has really clean hands for a flanker and this gives him a bit more time to work with than others. He can swoop and collect at pace and make opportunities.

Lennon does have some class about him and good things do often happen when he is involved in the play. This is a little hard to explain but I think he has good football IQ about some things (reading the play, body work, positioning around goal) but I probably couldn't say that about everything (decision making, leading and passing lanes). In most games there will be a wow moment or two which really make you notice him - a spin move out of a pack, a swooping pick up and go etc.

Teams have wanted to see him more as a midfielder this year (you can probably hide athletic deficiencies a little more there) and credit too him that he stood up and put up some good numbers there in the TAC. He did not play a heap of games but averaged 25 disposals a game over the year and 28 disposals over the last 4 or 5 games when playing a lot of midfield time. He played as a half forward at the Champs and only managed 12.6 disposals per game which I did not think was a particularly good return. I particularly followed him in the SA game where he matched up on Scharenberg quite a bit and Scharenberg gave him an absolute bath. The difference in ability was very evident in that game and cemented for me that he was not in that class and definitely not a top 10 pick for me.


If I was looking at him I would be trying to develop him into a Sidebottom type midfielder who can go forward. Sidebottom is also not the most athletic player in the world and has a similar good but not great kick. Sidebottom's decision making are probably better than Lennon's but you would hope that would come. Lennon's clean hands also allow some prospect that he will develop a decent inside game as he gets more time on ball. I have been pretty harsh on Lennon but I have to stress that I actually don't mind him as a prospect. I just think talk of him being a top 10er should be way off base.​