List Mgmt. 2013 DRAFT

[Silvagnis]

I hope pick 13 plays just six to ten games like Yarran and Menzel managed in their first season.

I don't see any flankers and mids walking into the a side like Carlton and playing a dozen games. We're not a bottom side who would plug in these mids or gift games to a Cameron McCarthy for development reasons.

 

[Bluesince62]

Temay and Graham aren't project players.

Calling Graham a project is a bit far fetched.

Temay 0 games
Graham 2 games
Buckley 1 game
How can they not be described as project players.

What is the use of drafting mid-size players who can't get 6+ games in a side that struggled into 9th.
This is my main gripe with our past recruiting, too many players who failed to make it in year 1 and year 2. 1 game in 2 years does not fill me with any confidence that Buckley will ever make it and I have reservations about Temay.

Freeman has the right body and could easily step in front of Lucas and with his superior disposal skills in front of Bell.

 

[Matty411]

Agree A_McKay - can't (and won't) put too much pressure on our first pick, whoever it is. We're not in a position as a club to need them too, either. With the injuries we had in 2013 and the number of close games we lost; plus the addition of 3 x likely best 22 players - we should be looking at a top-6 finish in 2014. Given we have one of the toughest draws, this won't be easy. But with a fully fit Murph, Carrazzo, Daisy and Kreuz to start the year - I can't see any reason we're not sitting comfortably in the top 4 by R12. We have winnable games against Port, Rich, Ess, Melbourne, Dogs, Eagles, Pies and Saints pre-bye plus Crows and Brisbane in R10/11.

We'll have the best depth to our side (aside from key position spots) we've had in years (assuming the rest of the squad starts healthy) come R1 so will hopefully have healthy competition for those bottom 4-6 spots in the 22, which will only make us a better side in 2014.

I'm optimistically looking forward to better things in 12 months ahead.

 

[Silvagnis]

Temay 0 games
Graham 2 games
Buckley 1 game
How can they not be described as project players.

What is the use of drafting mid-size players who can't get 6+ games in a side that struggled into 9th.
This is my main gripe with our past recruiting, too many players who failed to make it in year 1 and year 2. 1 game in 2 years does not fill me with any confidence that Buckley will ever make it and I have reservations about Temay.

Freeman has the right body and could easily step in front of Lucas and with his superior disposal skills in front of Bell.

Show passion, but give kids time to make the grade

 

[mediumsizered]

Temay 0 games
Graham 2 games
Buckley 1 game
How can they not be described as project players.

What is the use of drafting mid-size players who can't get 6+ games in a side that struggled into 9th.
This is my main gripe with our past recruiting, too many players who failed to make it in year 1 and year 2. 1 game in 2 years does not fill me with any confidence that Buckley will ever make it and I have reservations about Temay.

Freeman has the right body and could easily step in front of Lucas and with his superior disposal skills in front of Bell.

Graham would have played more than 2 games if not for the knee injury he suffered during the pre-season.

I think you are forgetting though that the better teams generally don't play their kids too often in the early years. We were giving far too many games, too early, to our kids in the dark years from 2002-2007. It is no coincidence this has not been the case since we have been a better team than what we were in those dark years (it should be noted Buckley has already had a couple of nasty injuries in his time at the club).

 

[Sin City]

Temay 0 games
Graham 2 games
Buckley 1 game
How can they not be described as project players.

What is the use of drafting mid-size players who can't get 6+ games in a side that struggled into 9th.
This is my main gripe with our past recruiting, too many players who failed to make it in year 1 and year 2.

Graham missed 11 games with a knee injury and didn't even play VFL until half way through the season. To make his debut at all as an 18 year old is a fair effort let alone overcoming that. His pre-season form suggested he probably would've been in the team for round one and played much more than the 6+ games you're suggesting he needed.

This is why people are saying he is not a project player.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I hope pick 13 plays just six to ten games like Yarran and Menzel managed in their first season.

I don't see any flankers and mids walking into the a side like Carlton and playing a dozen games. We're not a bottom side who would plug in these mids or gift games to a Cameron McCarthy for development reasons.

I would rather get someone who will play 15+ like Heppell & Vlaustin did.

 

[Silvagnis]

I would rather get someone who will play 15+ like Heppell & Vlaustin did.

First season means very little. Wingard didn't win the Rising Star Award before having a break out season last year. Some of our fans would have beaten our recruiters over the head after Wingard's first season. Nuff nuffs would have cried about overlooking Tomlinson.

 

[thylacine60]

True dat.

 

[Bluesince62]

Show passion, but give kids time to make the grade

Poor article regarding mid-size players. I agree with his sentiment about KPPs but not mids and especially 1st round mids. The analogy regarding business careers is irrelevant given they are 30-40 years and not the 8-12 if you are very lucky for a footballer. If a mid-table side picks a mid 1st round they have to expect 6+ games in year 1 barring serious injury.

 

[Chalky Blues]

I would rather get someone who will play 15+ like Heppell & Vlaustin did.

If someone walks in and plays 15+ games it usually means you don't have any depth in that position as I remember Essendon wanted to rest Heppell but they had a crap load of injuries and for Richmond well they are a different type of club really!. And because of the jump from under 18's to seniors footy is such a big jump the clubs don't really want first year players playing more than a dozen+ games to stop the chance of injury

 

[Bluesince62]

That's all fine but at the whose expense?

We have to remember that a player has to earn his stripes first and then be better than what we have in place.
Sometimes it falls that way and sometimes it just doesn't.

We just traded for three guys we think should slot straight into our best team.
All of a sudden we have names like Scotland, Carrazzo, Bell, Lucas and McInnes being left out of ones best 22.

It will have to be a damn fine player that will immediately be better than what we may already have going.

It is all quite exciting isn't it. Barring another 2012 injury year we are looking at having some depth. Out of the 5 you mention I actually think only McInnes will be there in round 1.

 

[mediumsizered]

I would rather get someone who will play 15+ like Heppell & Vlaustin did.

I guess it depends on how low on the ladder you are prepared to finish.

 

[AB_Blue]

I have no idea on these kids as I can't watch them live. You would think we would go midfielder first tho yea?
Inside ability who is quick and can also use the outside to burn opponents.







Basically Juddys replacement...............

 

[Azul]

I've been reading the Inside Football profiles - which now makes me an armchair expert.

Any chance Battersby/Dumont/Dunstan/Hewett will slide pick 39? We need more South Australians that can hit a target.

Or maybe Templeton/Tsitas/Cavarra/Honeychurch?

As for talls, they have Darcy Hourigan sliding to the 4th round - I thought he was the next Jack Darling?

There seem to be plenty of project KPP available from pick 51 onwards. I don't think this "shallow" draft is as dire as suggested - they will just take some time in the VFL. Given we've cleared Laidler, Hampson, Mitchell and McCarthy off the books, we have space! We could do worse than selecting a couple of talls rather than the usual 6'2" VFL stalwarts such as RO'K, Dale, Collins, Dare, Bentley, Lodge, Tiller, Anderson, Benjamin, C Johnson.

 

[Azul]

I guess it depends on how low on the ladder you are prepared to finish.

We finished ninth. Is it our fault Essendon* got a slap on the wrist and we had to play Richmond in the finals?

 

[LordLucifer]

I have no idea on these kids as I can't watch them live. You would think we would go midfielder first tho yea?
Inside ability who is quick and can also use the outside to burn opponents.







Basically Juddys replacement...............

100% ................ we need to keep topping up with midfield talent, the more the better. Surely there is still a good one left when we have our first pick.

 

[zeeCFC]

I've been reading the Inside Football profiles - which now makes me an armchair expert.

Any chance Battersby/Dumont/Dunstan/Hewett will slide pick 39? We need more South Australians that can hit a target.

Or maybe Templeton/Tsitas/Cavarra/Honeychurch?

As for talls, they have Darcy Hourigan sliding to the 4th round - I thought he was the next Jack Darling?

There seem to be plenty of project KPP available from pick 51 onwards. I don't think this "shallow" draft is as dire as suggested - they will just take some time in the VFL. Given we've cleared Laidler, Hampson, Mitchell and McCarthy off the books, we have space! We could do worse than selecting a couple of talls rather than the usual 6'2" VFL stalwarts such as RO'K, Dale, Collins, Dare, Bentley, Lodge, Tiller, Anderson, Benjamin, C Johnson.

Cavarra might slide.

 

[Azul]

Cavarra might slide.

IF have him as a Late pick/rookie. Eye-balling Eddie Betts wouldn't help his chances.

Just seems like a quality decorated 17yo with leadership attributes. Without the pizzazz of a Lewis Taylor, obviously.

 

[Silvagnis]

Poor article regarding mid-size players. I agree with his sentiment about KPPs but not mids and especially 1st round mids. The analogy regarding business careers is irrelevant given they are 30-40 years and not the 8-12 if you are very lucky for a footballer. If a mid-table side picks a mid 1st round they have to expect 6+ games in year 1 barring serious injury.

Calling it a poor article only justifies your terrible post about Graham and Temay who weren't first round picks. They're not meant to be overnight sensations. We traded pick 33 for a first round pick who didn't manage a game in his first season.

 

[Garth Vader]

I've been reading the Inside Football profiles - which now makes me an armchair expert.

Any chance Battersby/Dumont/Dunstan/Hewett will slide pick 39? We need more South Australians that can hit a target.

Or maybe Templeton/Tsitas/Cavarra/Honeychurch?

As for talls, they have Darcy Hourigan sliding to the 4th round - I thought he was the next Jack Darling?

There seem to be plenty of project KPP available from pick 51 onwards. I don't think this "shallow" draft is as dire as suggested - they will just take some time in the VFL. Given we've cleared Laidler, Hampson, Mitchell and McCarthy off the books, we have space! We could do worse than selecting a couple of talls rather than the usual 6'2" VFL stalwarts such as RO'K, Dale, Collins, Dare, Bentley, Lodge, Tiller, Anderson, Benjamin, C Johnson.

Absolutely cannot see Dunstan slipping to 39. Think we have much more chance of Freeman @ pick 13.

 

[Cringle]

**** this bullshit about picking a player that can play 10-15 games in their first year. We will pick the player our recruiters see as the best available. Personally I'll be pissed if its Crouch, however I have a feeling it might.

 

[Bluesince62]

Calling it a poor article only justifies your terrible post about Graham and Temay who weren't first round picks. They're not meant to be overnight sensations. We traded pick 33 for a first round pick who didn't manage a game in his first season.

I think you may have lost the context along the way. My original post was
"I want a player in the 22 for round 1, hence I am pumping for Freeman. He is ready to play and not a project. We have enough projects with Temay, Graham and Buckley"

This was met with a barrage of they are not project players. It seems we are in agreement that they are project players.

The article is another issue which I did not relate to Temay or Graham, rather it is what I believe a 1st round pick should bring to the club.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

**** this bullshit about picking a player that can play 10-15 games in their first year. We will pick the player our recruiters see as the best available. Personally I'll be pissed if its Crouch, however I have a feeling it might.

What is your basis for not wanting Crouch, who would you prefer?

 

[Bradschi]

What people are forgetting is that they are mostly 18 year olds, expecting them to come on like Judd did in his first year is a bit much. Not everyone of them are once-in-a-generation players, otherwise they wouldn't call it "once in a generation"
Making the transition is difficult, even our blokes that spend a fair bit of time in the VFL and when they get called up they don't always transfer, let alone kids that are coming from U18 levels.
It is not just the physical side, at the top level it is about 70-80% mental.
So people that are expecting our first rounders to automatically step up and play good footy for more than half the season in the first team, get a serious grip.
Here are the facts,
We are not a bottom 4 side anymore, Mick Malthouse is our coach.
We don't give out games like chocolates anymore, so when they get called up, you know they've earned it through hard work and good form.