List Mgmt. 2013 DRAFT

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I tolerated the talk for a while but it's becoming an obsession for some and then there's the doubting credible posters in an area that I would pay the most attention to.

We may not be looking at him. We may never have been. This may be because of his past attitude or it may be because of his current attitude or it may be we have other plans. The club may have told someone this but they haven't made it public as other clubs have. I'm not quite sure why anybody would get offended because they indicated we were not into Thorp and some choose to keep talking about him. That is the nature of popular forums and not to be taken seriously. Nobody is getting hurt here. If Mick himself told me we weren't doing something and not everybody believed me, I couldn't care less to be honest.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

^^^^^

For all the talk of recruitment, reckon MM, ever the Autocrat would still hold sway. He went up north and met Everitt, and pretty much signed him off his own bat.

This is a bloke that sacked a Brownlow medallist after one year, took Leigh Brown - pretty much meat and spuds, and took Krakoeur straight out of the big house.

Is probably why he has been in the coaching game for 30 years.

 

[mediumsizered]

Interested in what you think our 'culture' actually entails, MH?

There is a thread for that you know.

 

[Silvagnis]

The lads most likely: The media's leading recruitment expert selects the best 25 youngsters in the AFL draft.

 

[MileHigh]

Martin Pike would say bollocks to that.

Not really sure what the relevance of that comment is. All I say is culture is defined in decisions. Poor culture has crippled Melbourne, Brisbane and St Kilda in recent times through poor decisions. I talk about our culture based on our decisions, and on the whole you can draw a medium line through what we do as a club and project who we might inevitably draft based on those decisions. An outstanding example would be trading a coleman medalist to maintain our culture. I think half of the AFL clubs wouldn't have had the balls to do that. We won't be picking up Thorpe as a result. Whether it's right or wrong, that's culture.

 

[MileHigh]

I would also say on the whole our culuture feels good -

 

[Sheephead]

Not so sure Cripps is a stretch at 13 IMO. He certainly won't be there at 39. Just looked at his highlight reel for what that in itself is worth. If the club are keen, I wouldn't be disappointed.

 

[happydude]

Not so sure Cripps is a stretch at 13 IMO. He certainly won't be there at 39. Just looked at his highlight reel for what that in itself is worth. If the club are keen, I wouldn't be disappointed.

I'm going to laugh so hard the day he gets the blood rule.

 

[Scodog10]

Always good for a read this board because of the amount of discussion (even if I'm not always a fan of the discussion points). Therefore I just wanted to impart my opinion on Cripps at 13. Quite simply it's a ripper move for mine if Rogers goes down that path.

I want him at 10 to Collingwood (I started a thread on our board voicing that opinion). He was elite inside the contest against his peers at the carnival and with that growth spurt has so much development left in him. I don't know why the BF collective has him so far down the order, but on draft night I believe he'll go earlier than most on here expect.

 

[Scodog10]

Could be a hard trigger to pull given there seem to be queries about Cripps' athleticism but if we've ticked off on that coming good, then fine.
How tall is Cripps now? We have listings of 188 - 192 cm?

Not sure why but I think we'd let the likes of Bontempelli, Freeman and Acres slide should they be available at our selection.
McCarthy also seems unlikely to be of interest at this pick and I don't think we'd target Crouch or Taylor either.

So what have we left? Dunstan, Dumont and Cripps...................who knows?

They'd be legitimate concerns with the growth spurt, but when you're getting 63% of your possessions in a contest plus 6 clearances a game you don't really need to be all that athletically gifted ala JPK.

He's currently running a mid 13 beep if he bumps that up to high 14's to 15 (which is a given in an elite environment one would hope) he becomes a marking option around the ground as well with the extra height thus adding another dimension to his game.

It might be easy for me to sit back and say that from my perspective a) being a supporter of a club with two top ten picks meaning we can go safe with one (Aish or Scharanberg) and get a bit crafty with the second and b) without my job on the line.

However having said all that someone will get a bargain with Cripps IMO. Cripps aside Dunstan looks a nice solid pick at 13 if the likes of Salem or Freeman are gone.

 

[Loramarthalas]

Poor culture has crippled Melbourne, Brisbane and St Kilda in recent times through poor decisions. I talk about our culture based on our decisions, and on the whole you can draw a medium line through what we do as a club and project who we might inevitably draft based on those decisions. An outstanding example would be trading a coleman medalist to maintain our culture. I think half of the AFL clubs wouldn't have had the balls to do that. We won't be picking up Thorpe as a result. Whether it's right or wrong, that's culture.

A Coleman medallist with a drinking problem, a gambling problem, an ego problem, and who was increasingly creating problems on-field because of a lack of desire to chase and harrass.

Culture has nothing to do with it. Fev was a liability and everyone knew it. Everyone bar Voss, at least. We'd been talking about trading him for years before we pulled the trigger.

And to say that a guy who COACHED a team to a premiership from half forward might be bad for out culture is just non-sensical. If a guy who coached a team doesn't get the idea of teamwork and leadership and playing a role, then who the hell would? I'd be more worried about an untried 18 year old fitting in, than the guy who was captain, coach, development coach, counsellor, and media spokesman for the TSL premiers.

All the talk about the club being afraid to recruit a guy like Thorp, anyone like that, a player who was delisted but then made good, is just blind to reality. We've done it in the past for players with less credentials and less talent -- Rowe, Cachia, Curnow, etc.

 

[Silvagnis]

You can just see GWS, Geelong, Freo, Port and Sydney getting bargains with all of the mids available. Looks an even batch if some of these names make it to 13 or later. Sheed, Bontempelli, Taylor, Dunstan, Jones, Cripps, Acres, Freeman and Dumont. A tall prospect such as Acres and Bontempelli could really be something if he slides to a side with a great development program. Reckon the Swans would love to get a tall utility with Goodes nearly done.

Jones

In the TAC Cup preliminary final, Jones was involved in 11 of 13 last-quarter score involvements to complement 28 disposals and 10 tackles as the inside midfielder drove the Stingrays into the grand final.

Stingrays coach Graeme Yeats thinks he'd be a fine fit at Geelong, which is considering Jones at pick 16.

"He's `maniacle'. A hard-nosed and fierce competitor who challenges himself,'' Yeats said.

"One of the hungriest kids I've seen come through the system.

Jones

 

[Silvagnis]

A Coleman medallist with a drinking problem, a gambling problem, an ego problem, and who was increasingly creating problems on-field because of a lack of desire to chase and harrass.

Culture has nothing to do with it. Fev was a liability and everyone knew it. Everyone bar Voss, at least. We'd been talking about trading him for years before we pulled the trigger.

And to say that a guy who COACHED a team to a premiership from half forward might be bad for out culture is just non-sensical. If a guy who coached a team doesn't get the idea of teamwork and leadership and playing a role, then who the hell would? I'd be more worried about an untried 18 year old fitting in, than the guy who was captain, coach, development coach, counsellor, and media spokesman for the TSL premiers.

All the talk about the club being afraid to recruit a guy like Thorp, anyone like that, a player who was delisted but then made good, is just blind to reality. We've done it in the past for players with less credentials and less talent -- Rowe, Cachia, Curnow, etc.

What?

You'd take quality 18 year olds with the character of Judd, Kreuzer, Henderson, Gibbs, Menzel and Nick Graham on every day of the week.



"It's not rare that as I'm leaving, Nick's still in the rooms. Either getting treatment, doing some touch or just trying to improve himself."

Rowe, Gumbleton, Curnow, Barlow and Podsiadly have overcome more obstacles than Thorp to get contracts. Gumbleton was crippled by a back injury. Rowe was delisted and beat cancer. Pods was delisted by the Pies. Toiled away in the VFL before getting another chance. Barlow was overlooked and broke his leg.

Curnow was leading the Liston Trophy before breaking his ankle. One of the fittest players in the AFL with his work rate.

You could put Mark Austin in the same boat. Aussie looks to have survived at the Dogs after being injury prone at Carlton. They keep working hard without blowing their chances like the Thorps of this world.

They clearly have more character and want than Thorp.

Typical of our supporter base to deride our players and defend outsiders. Pathetic.

 

[BM123]

Your all over the shop RK.

 

[etsal1]

What I liked about Cripps interview on AFL website is that he said before his growth spurt he had developed really clean hand skills etc to overcome his lack of height. So now with the growth spurt he has the skills of a little guy in a 190cm+ body.
He was either 1st or 2nd in clearances for WA too.
He's not Jamie Cripps' brother. They're cousins apparently.

But I just can't see us overlooking a Lennon or Salem etc if they are there.

I guess we'll see.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Typical of our supporter base to deride our players and defend outsiders. Pathetic.

That's a stretch. Where did he deride anybody? He mentioned players that got a second go at it and he mentioned they weren't as highly credentialed or talented. That speaks nothing about work ethic or other attributes or their ability to be AFL players. Surely you're not going to label our supporter base pathetic every time they draw a comparison whereby one of players isn't considered as good as a player elsewhere in someone's opinion? If our squad were all as good as every player anywhere else, we'd never lose.

I'm not sure you are helping discussion when go that route in regards to non venomous posts. Maybe save it for the plethora of player A is a spud posts that occur after each match.

It may or may not be a reasonable opinion to hold re talent given Thorp has no decent form in the AFL but I can look past the sub arguments and see the analogy he was trying to draw to further discussion.

 

[Azul]

He's not Jamie Cripps' brother. They're cousins apparently.

I just hope he shares no DNA with Port Adelaide's Victorian list manager Jason Cripps, who used to spud it up with St Kilda in the late 90s.

 

[thylacine60]

What?

You'd take quality 18 year olds with the character of Judd, Kreuzer, Henderson, Gibbs, Menzel and Nick Graham on every day of the week.



"It's not rare that as I'm leaving, Nick's still in the rooms. Either getting treatment, doing some touch or just trying to improve himself."

Rowe, Gumbleton, Curnow, Barlow and Podsiadly have overcome more obstacles than Thorp to get contracts. Gumbleton was crippled by a back injury. Rowe was delisted and beat cancer. Pods was delisted by the Pies. Toiled away in the VFL before getting another chance. Barlow was overlooked and broke his leg.

Curnow was leading the Liston Trophy before breaking his ankle. One of the fittest players in the AFL with his work rate.

You could put Mark Austin in the same boat. Aussie looks to have survived at the Dogs after being injury prone at Carlton. They keep working hard without blowing their chances like the Thorps of this world.

They clearly have more character and want than Thorp.

Typical of our supporter base to deride our players and defend outsiders. Pathetic.

How many supporter bases do you actually know?

 

[coryne]

The lads most likely: The media's leading recruitment expert selects the best 25 youngsters in the AFL draft.

Carlton was linked to McCarthy, Sheed, Dumont and Dunstan. Looks like we will get a couple of good players with #13

 

[Silvagnis]

That's a stretch. Where did he deride anybody? He mentioned players that got a second go at it and he mentioned they weren't as highly credentialed or talented. That speaks nothing about work ethic or other attributes or their ability to be AFL players. Surely you're not going to label our supporter base pathetic every time they draw a comparison whereby one of players isn't considered as good as a player elsewhere in someone's opinion? If our squad were all as good as every player anywhere else, we'd never lose.

I'm not sure you are helping discussion when go that route in regards to non venomous posts. Maybe save it for the plethora of player A is a spud posts that occur after each match.

It may or may not be a reasonable opinion to hold re talent given Thorp has no decent form in the AFL but I can look past the sub arguments and see the analogy he was trying to draw to further discussion.

It's not a stretch. I can't agree with the suggestion that Rowe, Curnow and Cachia lacked Thorp's credentials AND talent. More biased reasoning. The likes of Rowe, Cachia and Curnow all performed at a high standard in a better league than the TSL. Just a case of talking them down to justify picking Thorp, whilst ignoring the question marks clubs appear to have against him.

Plenty of players get second chances. They need to have the right character to make it a league as cut throat as the AFL. Only need to consider the likes of Brad Dalziell and Jordan Gysberts who didn't make it. The common denominator that gave these guys another chance is obvious.

 

[BM123]

Can we keep the Thorp talk in the other thread.

 

[Salaryman]

How many supporter bases do you actually know?

Who cares? Is he off the mark?

 

[ESKIE]

Can you believe the hysteria ?

 

[Silvagnis]

Callum Twomey ‏@AFL_CalTwomey 8 Nov Fair few clubs like Zak Jones. Should be a top-20 pick. Geelong, Fremantle, Richmond among those who could consider the tough half-back.

GWS Boyd
GWS Kelly
St.K Billings
WBD Scharenberg
GCS Kolodashnij
Coll Aish
Bris Salem
Melb Lennon
Coll Bontompelli
WCE Sheed
Rich Jones
Carl Dunstan/Acres/Freeman/Dumont/Cripps

Don't believe in sliders, but I'm looking forward to getting our best of the rest. Harder to predict our man with Rogers being the head honcho for just one draft. Should be an interesting night with our second and third picks a fair way back.

 

[thylacine60]

Who cares? Is he off the mark?

If he speaks on behalf of 17 other supporter bases, yes.