List Mgmt. 2013 DRAFT

[Jeremias]

My concern is Cripps at 13 appears like a needs pick. Not best available. First pick should always be best available.

No one hear even mentioned Cripps until we begun to be linked to him. Did anyone hear rate him for pick 13 after watching him play? As ODN said on previous page, what has changed in the last couple of weeks to make him suddenly a first round pick?

This is clearly a case of you reading too much into what is written on BigFooty. What happens "here" doesn't matter.

The phantom drafters who give their time and effort to provide us with their thoughts on the draft prospects are fantastic in the analysis they provide and they should be commended for their efforts. However, the reality is they only know a fraction of the story. They don't anywhere near the access to these players that recruiters do.

Can the phantom drafters give us any insight into how the players interviewed? That's just as important as what they've produced to this point in time on the field, if not moreso.

As I said earlier, if we draft Cripps it's because of all those who were available at our selection, he was deemed to be the best fit for the club. If you'd prefer to side with what the BigFooty "experts" and journalists have to say, that's your business and good luck to you. I can tell you I'll certainly be siding with the blokes who pick talented kids for a living and have invested countless hours meeting the players, have analysed each player ad nauseum, have met a plethora of times with the list managers and coaches at the club and who are clearly best placed to make these decisions.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I'm assuming when you say size of Curnow and Cachia you mean their height and not their bulk because both those blokes have plenty of that.

Yes, tall extractors who can get their arms free and stand like a tree trunk for those extra couple of seconds and still get the ball out. His vision seems to be one of his greatest assets and picking the right option.

 

[etsal1]

Same type of player as Dunstan.

You don't know anything about Cripps.

How can any of us criticise the pick?

The big boys aren't phantom drafters playing dreamteam for fun.

Good.

No sneaky leakers.

I'm sorry, but just because I don't agree with you does not mean I don't know anything about Cripps.

And Cripps is the same type of player. But IMO (and the draft is a subjective topic) Dunstan is a better, more rounded player. But Cripps is taller so it's all good

And for you to say the only reason no one was talking about Cripps is good because it means no leakers is sooooo hypocritical. Did you not say I would like Cripps once Quayle & other journos started linking him to us? Make up your mind.

 

[etsal1]

This is clearly a case of you reading too much into what is written on BigFooty. What happens "here" doesn't matter.

The phantom drafters who give their time and effort to provide us with their thoughts on the draft prospects are fantastic in the analysis they provide and they should be commended for their efforts. However, the reality is they only know a fraction of the story. They don't anywhere near the access to these players that recruiters do.

Can the phantom drafters give us any insight into how the players interviewed? That's just as important as what they've produced to this point in time on the field, if not moreso.

As I said earlier, if we draft Cripps it's because of all those who were available at our selection, he was deemed to be the best fit for the club. If you'd prefer to side with what the BigFooty "experts" and journalists have to say, that's your business and good luck to you. I can tell you I'll certainly be siding with the blokes who pick talented kids for a living and have invested countless hours meeting the players, have analysed each player ad nauseum, have met a plethora of times with the list managers and coaches at the club and who are clearly best placed to make these decisions.

Re-1st bit highlighted: I think you interpreted what I said in the wrong way. I meant, posters on this board who watch U18 footy were not suggesting Cripps is a player we should think about for pick 13. It's only now that we have been linked to him that people are trying to convince themselves that he is the next Jobe Watson (a comparison which has been made a couple of times today).

Re-2nd bit highlighted: If I were just to follow what bigfooty experts and journalists have to say, would I not be raving about how good it is that we are getting a 192cm mid who plays like a small?

 

[Azul]

My concern is Cripps at 13 appears like a needs pick. Not best available. First pick should always be best available.

If we were picking for need, we'd reach for McCarthy - after losing Betts over preseason to add to our abysmal 4 goals in 3 quarters of football against Sydney.

 

[etsal1]

If we were picking for need, we'd reach for McCarthy - after losing Betts over preseason to add to our abysmal 4 goals in 3 quarters of football against Sydney.

Depends which need they rate more urgent. KPF or inside mid. Looks like they've gone with the latter.

 

[Sublime]

We get it. Some people like the idea of Cripps. Others don't like that idea. Too much point scoring happening here.

Bring on tomorrow so we can put this to rest once and for all.

Then we can finally begin whinging about who we did/didn't end up with.

 

[Azul]

I'd say a 192cm midfielder who still thinks he is 172cm but is a size that would play for a bottom 8 club immediately, might qualify as a special case.

I say we grab Lewis Taylor - a 192cm midfielder trapped in a 172cm body.

 

[Silvagnis]

AFL 2013 Phantom Draft

They flew to country WA last week to interview Cripps and the Cats also like the Jobe Watson-type.

AFL 2013 Phantom Draft

 

[Bradschi]

Re-1st bit highlighted: I think you interpreted what I said in the wrong way. I meant, posters on this board who watch U18 footy were not suggesting Cripps is a player we should think about for pick 13. It's only now that we have been linked to him that people are trying to convince themselves that he is the next Jobe Watson (a comparison which has been made a couple of times today).

Re-2nd bit highlighted: If I were just to follow what bigfooty experts and journalists have to say, would I not be raving about how good it is that we are getting a 192cm mid who plays like a small?

They might not look for the same things that recruiters look for, recruiters are paid to scout and recruit talents, they will have a better idea and understanding, also access to information that many posters on this board are not privy to.
And in terms of people trying to convince themselves, well I'd say it's more like posters and supporters are trying to get their head around, to gain an understanding of why is he the better fit and why did the club pick him if that's the case.

 

[Cringle]

I reckon Thorp will be available in the rookie draft, which would be fine.

 

[Azul]

Depends which need they rate more urgent. KPF or inside mid. Looks like they've gone with the latter.

We'll see tomorrow night. As far as urgency goes, I can't see Cripps breaking into our 22 on a regular basis until 2016, regardless of how good he is - our midfield depth is sufficient to keep any teenager out.

For what it's worth, I'd prefer a quality finisher (Salem) than yet another clearance king.

 

[Cringle]

We'll see tomorrow night. As far as urgency goes, I can't see Cripps breaking into our 22 on a regular basis until 2016, regardless of how good he is - our midfield depth is sufficient to keep any teenager out.

For what it's worth, I'd prefer a quality finisher (Salem) than yet another clearance king.

Im not following?

 

[HARKER]

Has Lennon got more than just a touch of Jim Carrey about him?

 

[Azul]

Im not following?

We traded for Mclean to help Judd out. We have Murphy, Gibbs, Bell, Robinson, Ellard, Carrazzo, Curnow all capable of playing in the engine room. Sufficient, no?

A touch of finesse was the reason we recruited Thomas. A little more wouldn't go astray.

 

[Bradschi]

4. Patrick Cripps

Another from the East Fremantle factory, another from good stock, they breed them well in Northampton, another who has had the ability to hone their craft against a brother, another who I would back to continue to compete longer than the next bloke.

Cripps, the younger cousin of Jamie at West Coast, is a very, very strong contested ball winner, his clearance work really grew on me over the course of the year. So much so I have rated Cripps as a better clearance operator than Sheed. Cripps is a very crisp operator in traffic by hand, both sides. Rarely gets caught holding the ball despite not being the most explosive mover from a stoppage. His vision from a stoppage sets him apart, routinely finds the release player when others panick and look for the easy option.

Where he falls down, kicking lacks penetration, but it shouldn't, Cripps should be able to roost the ball over 50 metres, seldom does it, seems to be a player who doesn't quite back his foot skills, when he does extend himself I think its ok, not sure if he has been a player who has developed as one of the slower kids, note the puppy fat, but he will find his feet and understand how far he can push his body as he grows into it.

I think there is a lot of upside in Cripps game, I still don't think he knows how quick he can be over his first 5 steps, the longer the year went on, the more confidence he showed to hold onto the ball after winning 1st possession, he can do this more and he will stand out more if he backs himself in.


But that's where he shines, reading the first knock from palms of the ruckmen, just knows how to put himself in the right position, and also how to ensure his arms stay free, and leave himself an exit. Uses the body exceptionally well to guard the ball drop. I have Cripps ahead of McCarthy because I think he can genuinely be a top line midfielder at the next level, he just hasn't realised how good he can be, once he starts kicking more, the confidence in that side of his game will grow and he will become a more complete player. East Fremantle's game at colts level was to run and carry, link up by handball, I think that did a disservice to Cripps who for me, has a massive upside leading into next year.

Found this in the phantom draft forum, well done by a local observer.

 

[BlueTongue]

We traded for Mclean to help Judd out. We have Murphy, Gibbs, Bell, Robinson, Ellard, Carrazzo, Curnow all capable of playing in the engine room. Sufficient, no?

A touch of finesse was the reason we recruited Thomas. A little more wouldn't go astray.

Yes. One would hope we didn't retain all of the above mids simply for depth. Outside Mid with Footskills is a Must!

 

[CrippsonBlue]

Has Lennon got more than just a touch of Jim Carrey about him?

For any other SG1 tragics out there, Bontempelli is a dead ringer for young Jack O'Neill.

 

[Banga19]

Gut feeling about Cripps.

I think our list needs another star, goes without saying I guess. Reckon Cripps has a high ceiling, slightly riskier than someone like Crouch but a higher reward. Where our list is at, I think we've done well to get some solid 22 players out of later/rookie picks. More than happy to roll the dice on finding a Fyfe or Josh Kennedy.

 

[zeeCFC]

Yes. One would hope we didn't retain all of the above mids simply for depth. Outside Mid with Footskills is a Must!

Dylan Buckley, Tom Temay, Nick Graham and Kane Lucas will start to get more regular game time.

 

[Silvagnis]

We traded for Mclean to help Judd out. We have Murphy, Gibbs, Bell, Robinson, Ellard, Carrazzo, Curnow all capable of playing in the engine room. Sufficient, no?

A touch of finesse was the reason we recruited Thomas. A little more wouldn't go astray.

Dogs, Sydney and Richmond (first half of the final) hurt us at the clearances. We need to strengthen this area with Judd and Carrazzo veterans. Brock 27. Bell and Robinson are warriors, but they're not elite inside mids. Cripps appears to have poise and better hands. We don't have an inside mid who is 192 cms.

Walker, Thomas, Gibbs, Menzel, Docherty, Yarran, Lucas, Bootsma, Temay and Buckley could play as outside mids/high half forwards/wings. We don't want Gibbs, Murphy and Yarran getting their hands dirty. You want them receiving the ball to use their elite kicking.

 

[TerryWallet]

3 things Carlton need to improve to reach the Prelims(Top 4) in 2-3 years time. Anyone who thinks we can next year is slightly delusional.

A) a key forward
B) Strong on/off field leaders
C) Players who inflict bruises on opponents

I would be satisfied with McCarthy, Dunstan, or Cripps this year.

I'm a bit disappointed that it looks like we have no hope of getting Hewett with our 2nd Pick now. I thought he was a smoky. Chris25 was the first Phantomer here who started pushing Hewett and i was hoping he would be one out. But now everyone seems on him.

 

[zeeCFC]

Cripps looks like a big boy.... He's done pretty damn well with what seems to be pretty bad fitness.

He says he can't wait for the opportunity so here's hoping if we do pick him that Buttifant and Patrick form a massive AFL midfield machine like Tom Bell.

 

[MileHigh]

A big thanks to Emma Quayle for taking a punt at the draft order 24 hours out. Really put her balls on the line there (I am aware of the irony).

Pretty satisfied with our selection, even without it happening yet. That's the confidence I have in those at the helm right now. GET AROUND THE BOYS!

 

[MileHigh]

My concern is Cripps at 13 appears like a needs pick. Not best available. First pick should always be best available.

No one hear even mentioned Cripps until we begun to be linked to him. Did anyone hear rate him for pick 13 after watching him play? As ODN said on previous page, what has changed in the last couple of weeks to make him suddenly a first round pick?

I think that has proven to be a ridiculous ethos over the past 5 or so years. We have been in HBF heaven thanks to this mentality and we have too many players playing the same positions and don't have the even spread. Why draft best available at #13 only to find out we don't need them in a few years and have to move them on for pennies on the dollar. You always lose around 20 or so picks down the draft when you have to offload someone. Look at Docherty for example. When you are building a side, maybe best available is where it's at. We need to refine now and lock away those positions where we are weakest. Ill take an inside mid or KPF all day long thanks very much.