MRP / Trib. 2013 MRP thread

[Fin ice Smuggler]

I have no problem with Ryders Bump, seriously call me old fashioned but put Kevin Bartlett in the same position and see what action he chooses in that time to react...
Ryders feet more so than Thomas's remained on the ground until impact, McPharlin like Reid were concussed but thats accidental contact IMO, Thomas more so than Ryder had time to decide whether or not to sheppard/bump, Ryder was more reaction than intent.
Honest to goodness what would have Earl Spalding been given for his awesome bump on McKenna all those years ago, 12-15 weeks?

 

[Phone]

for the 2045th time there is no comparison between ryder and thomas.

 

[citizen-erased]

2 for both I would imagine.

Merrett and Hille in (assuming gumby plays for Hurley)

 

[zaharakamania]

Kommer will go but Ryder, well anything could happen, was only a split second decision but he did appear to slightly change direction to collect the freo player - anything more than 2 would be a unfair.

& yeah, its not Paddys fault he is tall...

 

[Phone]

but he does have to account for that when he goes to hit people.

 

[Phone]

added video of Kommer's trip, added longer videos of the two bumps.

 

[zaharakamania]

but he does have to account for that when he goes to hit people.

Very true as Buddy well knows, but watching it again in real time, thinking maybe possibly if the MRP are on their meds, he might be ok

Or is it 'off their meds'

 

[Lavender Gooms]

2 for both I would imagine.

Merrett and Hille in (assuming gumby plays for Hurley)

Neither played VFL this week so maybe not.

 

[yaco55]

Kommer may be Ok - But he went at Bradley - has a nasty streak.

 

[eth-dog]

Ryder shouldn't go. It was a nothing bump- McPharlin lead with his head ffs. The concussion wasn't that bad, he was up and about 40 minutes after it happened. Kommer should be fine too

 

[Synth]

Some very nice guy, not me because I'm lazy, has included our MRP history on our 2012 and 2011 season pages on Wiki. That makes it easy to see who has carry over points. (Paddy Ryder has 66...)

I haven't finished 2011 so don't take it as gospel yet.
This thread has reminded me to get back to that lol

 

[Towno78]

lol at people arguing Ryder and/or Kommer get off or even that there's a possibility. No chance.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

lol at people arguing Ryder and/or Kommer get off or even that there's a possibility. No chance.

I think the inconsistency in the MRP could prove otherwise, anything could happen, they could get off but they might get 5-6 weeks also, its a rubbish opinion based system.

 

[sacka]

I think the inconsistency in the MRP could prove otherwise, anything could happen, they could get off but they might get 5-6 weeks also, its a rubbish opinion based system.

Every time a shoulder has hit a chin its been weeks.
No inconsistency there.

 

[The Prosecutor]

On review, I don't think he should be suspended.

As you can see from the following screenshot, at the moment of impact, Ryder had not lifted his feet off the ground.



Also, if you look at the video, you will see Ryder running towards the ball before McPharlin taps the ball in front of himself and behind Ryder which left Ryder with no option but to bump.

 

[sacka]

On review, I don't think he should be suspended.

As you can see from the following screenshot, at the moment of impact, Ryder had not lifted his feet off the ground.



Also, if you look at the video, you will see Ryder running towards the ball before McPharlin taps the ball in front of himself and behind Ryder which left Ryder with no option but to bump.

All correct but his shoulder hit his chin, everything else is irrelevant.

 

[gO_bOmBeRz]

Do the verdicts come out on Tuesday night ?

 

[rines]

Under the rule/table/crap ass chook lottery... it could be classified as negligent (or reckless at worst), Medium Severity (or High at worst) and High Impact... that leads to a minimum of 3 weeks up to a maximum of 5 depending on how they see it...

Do I agree with it? No.. but that is the stupid system we are living under... having said all that.. it could be given the all clear.. who knows these days..

Apparently kicking it blindly out of a pack 50 m to the advantage of your forward is Delibrate OOB.. also diving and getting to the ball first only to have a block run over top of you is "sliding into the legs"... the laws committee/MRP and umpires are making hard work out of it.. will be a nervous time this week.

 

[The Prosecutor]

All correct but his shoulder hit his chin, everything else is irrelevant.

I was under the belief that the problem arises when you elect to bump with a different option available. In this case, I think it's reasonable to suggest that Ryder had no alternative option.

 

[The Prosecutor]

From the MRP booklet...

High bumps
Without limiting the above, the Player Rules provide that a player
will be guilty of rough conduct where in the bumping of an opponent (whether reasonably or unreasonably) he causes forceful contact to be made with any part of his body to an opponent’s head or neck unless
a) the player was contesting the ball and did not have a realistic alternative way to contest the ball; or
b) the forceful contact to the head or neck was caused by circumstances outside the control of the player which could not reasonably be foreseen.
In the interests of player safety, the purpose of the rule dealing with high bumps is to reduce, as far as practicable, the risk of head injuries to players and this purpose needs to be kept firmly in mind by all players and will guide the application of the rule.

That is going to be what the sticking point is in this situation. I think it can be argued that Ryder was contesting the ball and that McPharling tapped the ball at the last second leaving Ryder to have no alternative but to bump.

 

[Kaiser Powser]

Kommer and Ryder are both gone.

But it was so good to see Ryder lay that bump, it was a beauty. Just a shame it clipped McPharlins chin (for both Luke and now Paddy).

 

[Donakebab]

Which leads to a major difference, because in the end Thomas committed no punishable act. Ryder meanwhile has made initial contact with the head.

In the MRP video they stated Thomas got off because he didn't leave the ground, but because the head contact was the second impact. In actual fact he made contact about the same height off the ground that Ryder did, just Paddy had more force behind it and kept rising.

 

[Impromptu]

I think Kommer is fine with the trip as Kommer himself was falling down as running too fast.

The hit on Bradley is a bit trickier as the question is whether he was negligent.

My view is possibly 1 for Kommer or maybe none.

 

[daffo]

All correct but his shoulder hit his chin, everything else is irrelevant.

Agree with this. I feel that Ryder will get a two week ban. It sucks but that's the rules.

Kommer should get off.

 

[Jade]

Agree with this. I feel that Ryder will get a two week ban. It sucks but that's the rules.

Kommer should get off.

Pretty much how I am seeing it.