Mega Thread 2013 Official Draft Thread

[tigs2010]

Fair enough, I'd be happy using a third rounder on a KPP, considering that would be about pick 50, and the first two picks are what we need to get right and nail that attacking midfielder or wingman.




I'd be considering the mature age pickup, just not another Derickx. Someone like Hannath could be good, a guy who can pinch hit and play a few games here or there. 3 is a problem, but 4-5 is acceptable.




Yeah, I think Richmond is good for inside types. Richmond needs to select Arnot, I'm hoping he gets a game against say Footscray. I'm hoping Foley can stay around, he's turning 28 which is okay, Tuck is getting older but I feel he can stick around, if not I think Richmond can cope. Every other midfielder playing is young enough to play in the next flag tilt. So someone who has good foot skills going forward but also has goal kicking ability. Someone between Prestia and Rioli perhaps? Maybe asking a lot, then again, those players were drafted around where Richmond's pick will most likely land. Even a guy like Menzel, who is a really good kick would be great this year I feel. Someone who can combine with Martin going forward to provide Richmond with two gun attacking midfielders ahead of the ball.

Yer it would be about 50. The guy would likely be a bit of a project but that's not an issue for us now.

Maybe a Sikora whose at Essendon VFL team. 206cm or something. An 18yo rookie wouldn't go astray either so that we have something coming through in the future.

I still wouldn't mind another inside type. Purely because Conca/Foley keep getting injured. Tuck may well retire. Arnot needs to improve his kicking. Lonergan should be gone. And Jackson needs to be upgraded so he's the depth player. Can probably get that type late though if it's a pure inside type.

Lewis Taylor/Billy Hartung due to lack of size could slide through to a 2nd rounder as an attacking midfielder. Both lightning quick and excellent skills. Taylor is 174cm and Hartung 177cm from memory. Taylor is like a Brent Harvey type. Hartung has a huge tank. Think I read a 16+ beep test which is like Brad Hill/Lachie Whitfield level.

 

[TheAnt]

Follow the Collingwood method and rookie list Chris Cain, could land ourselves a Barlow

 

[Spluff]

People talk like Barlow was a lucky find. He wasn't, he was clearly the best player in the VFL at this time, and then posted incredibly athletic results at the combine when the knocks on him were his athleticism (because he waddles around, like Dane Swan). Recruiters were just too busy trying to be clever and failed to look at what was staring them in the face. I know these things are easy to say in hindsight, and this sounds a little like one of Santa's posts where he claims to have known these things all along, but you can check my posting history (I remember losing my shit when we drafted Grimes instead of him with our PSD pick - I guess I'm a bit happier with that now ). If there's going to be another Barlow, it's going to be pretty obvious who it's going to be. I don't watch much VFL at all at the moment, so I can't speculate on whether there are players running around that could make it, but Barlow was clearly a cut above everybody else in the league.

On the topic of the draft, what we really need is an attacking HFF type player. A Menzel or a Duncan, somebody that can really inject some life into our forwardline through both kicking goals and setting them up.

 

[SumTingWong]

People talk like Barlow was a lucky find. He wasn't, he was clearly the best player in the VFL at this time, and then posted incredibly athletic results at the combine when the knocks on him were his athleticism (because he waddles around, like Dane Swan). Recruiters were just too busy trying to be clever and failed to look at what was staring them in the face. I know these things are easy to say in hindsight, and this sounds a little like one of Santa's posts where he claims to have known these things all along, but you can check my posting history (I remember losing my shit when we drafted Grimes instead of him with our PSD pick - I guess I'm a bit happier with that now ). If there's going to be another Barlow, it's going to be pretty obvious who it's going to be. I don't watch much VFL at all at the moment, so I can't speculate on whether there are players running around that could make it, but Barlow was clearly a cut above everybody else in the league.

On the topic of the draft, what we really need is an attacking HFF type player. A Menzel or a Duncan, somebody that can really inject some life into our forwardline through both kicking goals and setting them up.

Check out the Mcdonough thread

 

[TheAnt]

I mean more in the sense that they're the same age bracket, can find the footy, both mids, and Cain's great forward of centre.

 

[TheAnt]

(I remember losing my shit when we drafted Grimes instead of him with our PSD pick - I guess I'm a bit happier with that now ).

We could've got him in the rookie draft but we choose Robert Hicks

 

[bananatigz]

James Magner still someone i'm keen on, if he gets delisted, which he probably will seeing as melbourne will go for youth, he automatically becomes the best inside mid from the state leagues, and in a good side could flourish. I remember his first month or so where he played that inside role he was very good, then for some reason they moved him to tagging and then to half forward. Could step in and play Tuck's role straight away and too a good level i think

Another option is Matt Suckling, another inside ball machine, defensive work very good as well

 

[TheAnt]

Another option is Matt Suckling, another inside ball machine, defensive work very good as well

Matt Suckling inside ball machine? Sure you've got the right player there? Not the junk time specialist from Hawthorn by any chance?

 

[Danog]

Matt Suckling inside ball machine? Sure you've got the right player there? Not the junk time specialist from Hawthorn by any chance?

Different one, from the SANFL

 

[tigs2010]

Matt Suckling inside ball machine? Sure you've got the right player there? Not the junk time specialist from Hawthorn by any chance?

Think he means the one playing SANFL for Norwood.

James Magner still someone i'm keen on, if he gets delisted, which he probably will seeing as melbourne will go for youth, he automatically becomes the best inside mid from the state leagues, and in a good side could flourish. I remember his first month or so where he played that inside role he was very good, then for some reason they moved him to tagging and then to half forward. Could step in and play Tuck's role straight away and too a good level i think

Another option is Matt Suckling, another inside ball machine, defensive work very good as well

Magner is a spud. Lonergan is a better option because as unbelievable as it may seem Lonergan looks like a classy player when comparing their skills.

Suckling I agree with. Rookie possibility.

Brayden O'Hara, Chris Cain, Matt Suckling are 3 ready to go players.

1. O'Hara reminds me of Newy a little bit. Similar size and style but more of a midfielder. Probably a slightly better kick than Newy. Still can't believe the bloke is not on a list.

2. Cain is almost a clone of Dwyer. Though if we draft him I'm demanding we buy him a bigger pair of shorts and ban him from tucking his shirt in. WTF is going on there? But he is class and is probably more damaging than Dwyer.

3. Suckling is a bull. I may have just seen him on good days but he uses the footy really well for an inside mid.

 

[TheAnt]

Sorry then, anyway of seeing his stats?

 

[tigs2010]

Sorry then, anyway of seeing his stats?

If you go SANFL website and go to the Statistics page. Click on each round and it has individual stats for each game that round by team. He's at Norwood.

 

[LuKe2428]

I really think we should go into the draft and get 4 young kids and 2, 21-23 year old state league players. I like the sound of Cain, Sounds like the player we need in the forward line.

 

[Dustin Credible]

Doesn't look like it's been posted yet but these videos are from the AFL AIS Academy vs the European Legion boys in the UK. It's the only chance I'll get to see the kids (live) but watching it really liked Wilson

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Q4

 

[tigs2010]

Wilson is going to be very good. Super damaging player. Can win a bit of his own footy too.

 

[YearOfTheCotch10]

ive heard a few rumours that ben lennon has done a few sessions with the boys, can anyone inform me as to what sort of player he is and his draft prospects?

 

[Toadvine]

All the players with AIS scholarships trained with AFL clubs over Summer for a few weeks. Lennon and Nick Bourke trained with us.

TFLUA-Tiger could probably give a good run down of what he's like as a player

 

[bananatigz]

ive heard a few rumours that ben lennon has done a few sessions with the boys, can anyone inform me as to what sort of player he is and his draft prospects?

did part of pre-season i think
Can play anywhere very well, but hasn't really settled on one to make his own
I think hes probably 10-20 at this stage so could be around our pick if he has a good year

 

[NZ_Tiger]

People talk like Barlow was a lucky find. He wasn't, he was clearly the best player in the VFL at this time, and then posted incredibly athletic results at the combine when the knocks on him were his athleticism (because he waddles around, like Dane Swan). Recruiters were just too busy trying to be clever and failed to look at what was staring them in the face. I know these things are easy to say in hindsight, and this sounds a little like one of Santa's posts where he claims to have known these things all along, but you can check my posting history (I remember losing my shit when we drafted Grimes instead of him with our PSD pick - I guess I'm a bit happier with that now ). If there's going to be another Barlow, it's going to be pretty obvious who it's going to be. I don't watch much VFL at all at the moment, so I can't speculate on whether there are players running around that could make it, but Barlow was clearly a cut above everybody else in the league.

On the topic of the draft, what we really need is an attacking HFF type player. A Menzel or a Duncan, somebody that can really inject some life into our forwardline through both kicking goals and setting them up.

Barlow was a gun junior who was lazy and a bit of a tool, who thought it would just happen for him. Good on Freo for giving him a shot, but he was fairly unique among mature aged players who have been drafted. Not playing TAC cup seemed to cloud peoples judgement.

 

[Danog]

3rd round is up:

http://boundforglorynews.com/phantom-draft-june-edition-part-three-jourdan-canil/

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

I was wondering if the landscape has changed for recruiting 18yo ruckmen.

Top 10 rucks are generally a safe bet, later than that and it'll cost you 4-5 years of a position on the list for no return, then a less than 50/50 chance of having an average player. There are two ways around this. Recruit a mature backup every couple of years, or trade a 2nd/3rd round pick every 5 years for a new 25 year old ruck guaranteed to provide an ROI.

I would have thought it would be smart to use a top 10 pick on a ruck occasionally (Ottens then Vickery), especially if a freak comes along. But instead of soending 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks on rucks every year or two you trade 1 pick every 5 years on a 25 year old ruck like Stafford or Maric, using the VFL and mature delistings as backup.

It's not just the cost of a draft pick, but it's actually pretty costly to have a guy taking a position in the main list for no real output for 4-5 years.

Looking at our list now, we have Derickx taking a spot, then the next are a couple of kids in O'hanlon and Arnott - apart from the 18yo batch from the last draft everyone else is capable of contributing next week if required. Just wondering if others think AFL clubs are looking closer at mature rucks and not showing as much interest in 18yos unless they show obvious traits.

 

[THE_GUN]

We desperately need some Speed

1. Express paced medium foward 180-188cm 80-84kg with great skills (Replace King/Nahas)

2, Express paced outside Mid/Fwd 185-190cm 80-88kgs again good user (Newman's Replacement)

 

[rammbo]

We could've got him in the rookie draft but we choose Robert Hicks

Still reckon we should of got majak with that pick bloody hell they stuffed up there

How they came to the conclusion that hicks was the go had me baffled then and more so now

 

[tigs2010]

Still reckon we should of got majak with that pick bloody hell they stuffed up there

How they came to the conclusion that hicks was the go had me baffled then and more so now

Majak is next to useless. Hicks was a worse kind of useless but both useless all the same.

We desperately need some Speed

1. Express paced medium foward 180-188cm 80-84kg with great skills (Replace King/Nahas)

2, Express paced outside Mid/Fwd 185-190cm 80-88kgs again good user (Newman's Replacement)

Lennon and Acres maybe?

 

[tigs2010]

I was wondering if the landscape has changed for recruiting 18yo ruckmen.

Top 10 rucks are generally a safe bet, later than that and it'll cost you 4-5 years of a position on the list for no return, then a less than 50/50 chance of having an average player. There are two ways around this. Recruit a mature backup every couple of years, or trade a 2nd/3rd round pick every 5 years for a new 25 year old ruck guaranteed to provide an ROI.

I would have thought it would be smart to use a top 10 pick on a ruck occasionally (Ottens then Vickery), especially if a freak comes along. But instead of soending 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks on rucks every year or two you trade 1 pick every 5 years on a 25 year old ruck like Stafford or Maric, using the VFL and mature delistings as backup.

It's not just the cost of a draft pick, but it's actually pretty costly to have a guy taking a position in the main list for no real output for 4-5 years.

Looking at our list now, we have Derickx taking a spot, then the next are a couple of kids in O'hanlon and Arnott - apart from the 18yo batch from the last draft everyone else is capable of contributing next week if required. Just wondering if others think AFL clubs are looking closer at mature rucks and not showing as much interest in 18yos unless they show obvious traits.

The issue with trading for them is it's hard to entice more than 1 on your list. We got Maric to come across with the lure of the no.1 ruck spot. Then you're relying on your mature state leaguers and delisted players as back-up. Problem is there aren't that many good state league rucks going around, and delisted players are generally pretty ordinary.

One position you can't afford to have decent back-up in is the ruck IMO. These guys are like battering rams and with the sub rule are forced to play close to a lone hand. It would be nice to have a couple of blokes to rotate through the season.

The best way to do it IMO is rookie one every couple of years. If they don't come on then no real loss, because there are duds in every position chosen in the rookie draft. If they do work out then you either have a good/gun no.1 ruck (best case scenario), handy depth player, or solid trade bait. The issue lately has been there hasn't been many decent young rucks. We've had Grundy/Longer and not much else lately.