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this is what i can see.. so far 1 Boyd, GWS 2. Kelly GWS 3. Billings Stkilda 4.Scharanberg Buldogs 5. Kolodjasnij GC 6.Aish to collingwood 7. Bontompelli (bris) 8. Mcdonald (north) 9. Freeman (melb) 10. Crouch coll 11. Sheed WC 12. Salem (rich) 13. Ben Lennon to carlton - will be amazing 14. Lewis taylor to Port 15. Gardiner (tall defender to sydney) 16. Acres to geelong
 
this is what i can see.. so far 1 Boyd, GWS 2. Kelly GWS 3. Billings Stkilda 4.Scharanberg Buldogs 5. Kolodjasnij GC 6.Aish to collingwood 7. Bontompelli (bris) 8. Mcdonald (north) 9. Freeman (melb) 10. Crouch coll 11. Sheed WC 12. Salem (rich) 13. Ben Lennon to carlton - will be amazing 14. Lewis taylor to Port 15. Gardiner (tall defender to sydney) 16. Acres to geelong


Im glad you can because we cant see sh!t because your font is so small - wtf why would you do that
 
this is what i can see.. so far 1 Boyd, GWS 2. Kelly GWS 3. Billings Stkilda 4.Scharanberg Buldogs 5. Kolodjasnij GC 6.Aish to collingwood 7. Bontompelli (bris) 8. Mcdonald (north) 9. Freeman (melb) 10. Crouch coll 11. Sheed WC 12. Salem (rich) 13. Ben Lennon to carlton - will be amazing 14. Lewis taylor to Port 15. Gardiner (tall defender to sydney) 16. Acres to geelong

No chance of Lennon getting past us if he is at our pick.
 

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I thought we would pick Lennon over Salem.

What do you think of Lennon's ability to play midfield??

He can play HBF and push into the midfield as shown in the later stages of the TAC cup season as Lennon racked up disposals at will whilst delivering the footy with his great footskills.
 
He can play HBF and push into the midfield as shown in the later stages of the TAC cup season as Lennon racked up disposals at will whilst delivering the footy with his great footskills.




Almost put money on it if he's a lefty :p
 
Lol relax mate.. I actually copied it from an inbox I sent to my mate over facebook. Im sorry it didn't suit your needs


Needs isnt really an issue 'MATE' - Just that when you post something the general idea is for people to be able to read it - Otherwise defeats the purpose of posting it !

Easy to increas the size of the Font - Thats if you can be bothered ofcourse but hope it doesnt put you out too much


Also doesnt help when you get too cocky :cool:
 
Needs isnt really an issue 'MATE' - Just that when you post something the general idea is for people to be able to read it - Otherwise defeats the purpose of posting it !

Easy to increas the size of the Font - Thats if you can be bothered ofcourse but hope it doesnt put you out too much


Also doesnt help when you get too cocky :cool:


Im not going to turn this into an argument, because what's the point? Im sure most people on this board CAN actually read it.. i don't think many people would actually complain about that. If you can't read it then you need to change the size of your font for the whole computer which can easily be done..and just so you know I didn't realise that it would have turned out like that.. Looking a little closer to the screen might help.
I'l be sure to always check from now on that you can read my posts. Not sure how that makes me cocky but ok
 

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Lennon over Salem if both are there, Lennon trained with us at the start of the year I think or something like that. Along with Nicholas Bourke.
Wouldn't be surprised if we took him with our third if he was available.

Anyone see us taking a look at Jay kennedy-harris? Worthy of a 3rd pick.
 
Lennon over Salem if both are there, Lennon trained with us at the start of the year I think or something like that. Along with Nicholas Bourke.
Wouldn't be surprised if we took him with our third if he was available.

Anyone see us taking a look at Jay kennedy-harris? Worthy of a 3rd pick.

He did and we like him but it doesn't mean anything. AIS kids are allocated a club.
 
first the draft is so even between pick 5-20ish that you're not dropping quality.

second if you're clever you could get two quality players for the price of one. If we had of traded pick 6 in 2010 to two picks in the mid teens we could have nabbed Conca and Darling.

If last year we had of been able to flip pick 9 for 12 and 14 from GWS (which it is rumoured we tried) we could have ended up with Vlastuin and Grundy.

The players we are rumoured to be most keen on Salem, Lennon, Freeman and KK (i really hope not) look like they will all be gone by 12 so if our next favourite looks like he will make it to 18 why not trade down and get a free hit at 25. Its what West Coast are doing, they know Sheed will be there at 10 or 11 so they get a free pick to trade for Yeo.

Dunstan, Taylor, Dumont and maybe Acres (if he gets past Geelong) could be there at 18 and at 25 we could gamble on turning Marsh into a midfielder/high half forward or maybe another key defender like Gardiner or maybe Templeton.

In saying all that i'm not sure Saints would do it.

Don't agree with that. The players are of different shapes and sizes with different traits. I would be seriously surprised if all players are all paying 200+ games at the ssame level.


Put it this way. Assume you are right and all players have the same level of performance. Based on that they can't be equal because some players are more important to the structure and how they fit in the team and what we need.

Frankly, I haven't seen thorough videos yet so I have no real idea how good each are but I can already tell some players should be more effective and suitable for us than others based on what we need to improve as a club!!;)

I think you might be overly influenced by last year. Firstly , last year had more depth and therefore more risk of slippage. It also had the high quality ruck anomoly where they can slide like the WC guy before. We were lucky Vlastuin got to us IMO really. Grundy getting to the Pies was just insane but have to remember rucks can be treated a little different because clubs draft and trade for them differently. Still some clubs will be happy with what they got atm , eg Port with Wines etc.. but I am very happy we got V despite Grundy slipping because I think V is a cut above.

The other thing is we are a bit more complete team now and as a result naturally require to be a bit more selective ideally putting the final pieces together particularly if the players are fairly even as you suggest.


The chance for slippage this year like last year would be more remote after last year and the scrutiny of selections as a result of last year probably higher.

Honestly, I don't think the quality of the likes of V will be there at pick 18 or so and clubs will most likely weed out the sheep from the goats and what remains at the end will most likely be at the end for a reason including the identified risks of those selections.

Just hope our recruiters can identify another talent that is a cut above!!;)
 
Don't agree with that. The players are of different shapes and sizes with different traits. I would be seriously surprised if all players are all paying 200+ games at the ssame level.


Put it this way. Assume you are right and all players have the same level of performance. Based on that they can't be equal because some players are more important to the structure and how they fit in the team and what we need.

Frankly, I haven't seen thorough videos yet so I have no real idea how good each are but I can already tell some players should be more effective and suitable for us than others based on what we need to improve as a club!!;)

Credit where it's due. This is a very good post. Very much agree.
 
Don't agree with that. The players are of different shapes and sizes with different traits. I would be seriously surprised if all players are all paying 200+ games at the ssame level.


Put it this way. Assume you are right and all players have the same level of performance. Based on that they can't be equal because some players are more important to the structure and how they fit in the team and what we need.

Frankly, I haven't seen thorough videos yet so I have no real idea how good each are but I can already tell some players should be more effective and suitable for us than others based on what we need to improve as a club!!;)

I think you might be overly influenced by last year. Firstly , last year had more depth and therefore more risk of slippage. It also had the high quality ruck anomoly where they can slide like the WC guy before. We were lucky Vlastuin got to us IMO really. Grundy getting to the Pies was just insane but have to remember rucks can be treated a little different because clubs draft and trade for them differently. Still some clubs will be happy with what they got atm , eg Port with Wines etc.. but I am very happy we got V despite Grundy slipping because I think V is a cut above.

The other thing is we are a bit more complete team now and as a result naturally require to be a bit more selective ideally putting the final pieces together particularly if the players are fairly even as you suggest.


The chance for slippage this year like last year would be more remote after last year and the scrutiny of selections as a result of last year probably higher.

Honestly, I don't think the quality of the likes of V will be there at pick 18 or so and clubs will most likely weed out the sheep from the goats and what remains at the end will most likely be at the end for a reason including the identified risks of those selections.

Just hope our recruiters can identify another talent that is a cut above!!;)


Obviously not every player will be a 200 gamer. But if pick 18 turns into a 200 gamers you've given yourself a free hit at 25. What i'm saying is if the guys we want at 12 are not going to be there as seems likely (Lennon, Salem, Freeman and KK) and you're next target is looking like falling to 18 (Dunstan, Dumont, Acres or Taylor) why not trade down and get another shot at 25 (Marsh, Templeton or Gardiner). Yes it's risky this far out from the draft to be sure the guy you want won't make it to 12 but its something Geelong have done better then anyone (see Vardy and Christensen). Superstars a great to have but a couple of good players can make a bigger difference over the course of a season vs a super player.

I'm not influenced by last year i'm influenced by a growing trending of players sliding and the relative strength of most of the last few top 25 drafts. We were not lucky Vlas got to us most expected him to go a little later in the 10-15 range, Grundy sliding was crazy but so was Darling, Atley, Rance and many others. Slips happened every year because every team has a different idea of who they want, they may rate a guy at 3 but won't take him if 1 or 2 on their list are there. Most teams could rate a guy in their top 5 but the kid could slip to 20 easily because everyone else gets an earlier preference. No extra scrutiny os ever going to change that.

The big thing for mine comes down to if our top 5 choices are not going to be there at pick 12 but our 6th choice will be there at 18 why not trade down?? Obviously due diligence has to be done but trading down could long term be more beneficial.
 
Obviously not every player will be a 200 gamer. But if pick 18 turns into a 200 gamers you've given yourself a free hit at 25. What i'm saying is if the guys we want at 12 are not going to be there as seems likely (Lennon, Salem, Freeman and KK) and you're next target is looking like falling to 18 (Dunstan, Dumont, Acres or Taylor) why not trade down and get another shot at 25 (Marsh, Templeton or Gardiner). Yes it's risky this far out from the draft to be sure the guy you want won't make it to 12 but its something Geelong have done better then anyone (see Vardy and Christensen). Superstars a great to have but a couple of good players can make a bigger difference over the course of a season vs a super player.

I'm not influenced by last year i'm influenced by a growing trending of players sliding and the relative strength of most of the last few top 25 drafts. We were not lucky Vlas got to us most expected him to go a little later in the 10-15 range, Grundy sliding was crazy but so was Darling, Atley, Rance and many others. Slips happened every year because every team has a different idea of who they want, they may rate a guy at 3 but won't take him if 1 or 2 on their list are there. Most teams could rate a guy in their top 5 but the kid could slip to 20 easily because everyone else gets an earlier preference. No extra scrutiny os ever going to change that.

The big thing for mine comes down to if our top 5 choices are not going to be there at pick 12 but our 6th choice will be there at 18 why not trade down?? Obviously due diligence has to be done but trading down could long term be more beneficial.

Because you are trading for mediocrity IMO. Mediocrity doesn't cut it in GF's and you can only fit 22 players in your GF team. The point is , without knowing too much about the players , based on some of the comments, and the fact the depth has been questioned, there is a good chance pick 12 will be clearly better than 18 and 25. So with pick 12 you have a good chance of getting a 200+gamer that can win you a premiership, picks 18-25 you have a reasonable chance of ending up with a handy player and a dud!!

You say this player will slide here and there but with low recognised depth the further you go out the more likely you will miss the player(s) you want!!


When you worry about quantity remember, this is not the last draft, there will be draft opportunities in 2014, 2015 etc.. some with better prospects so no need to gamble now. Our window is not closing at all, hopefully it will open in the future!!;)


BTW is the trend you talk about general?? There is a trend for rucks but Darling had the offield question marks and how much depth was there for those drafts compared to this one?? Not sure Atley was that big a slippage but the other slipsters where mainly KPP and Rucks, so I am not sure it is a general trend for all drafts that the average player will slide.


Honestly , atm I am thinking RFC pick 12 is like pick 3 when we got Martin , we wouldn't want to slip further back because although we may not get exactly who we may be targeting at least we will get a very solid citizen that can most importantly really play footy!!:thumbsu:

If anything maybe we should be chasing a higher pick like North's first rounder( i assume can't be traded by them now) to get us a better chance to get a player we really think is proven in a dubious draft like Collingwood with pick 6
 

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Because you are trading for mediocrity IMO. Mediocrity doesn't cut it in GF's and you can only fit 22 players in your GF team. The point is , without knowing too much about the players , based on some of the comments, and the fact the depth has been questioned, there is a good chance pick 12 will be clearly better than 18 and 25. So with pick 12 you have a good chance of getting a 200+gamer that can win you a premiership, picks 18-25 you have a reasonable chance of ending up with a handy player and a dud!!


When you worry about quantity remember, this is not the last draft, there will be draft opportunities in 2014, 2015 etc.. some with better prospects so no need to gamble now. Our window is not closing at all, hopefully it will open in the future!!;)


Do you even read what i've wrote?? Or do you just gloss over it because i haven't mention trading deledio and riewoldt for pick 1 and 2 so we can set our window back another 5 years waiting for them to develop??

I said if our top 5 choices are all gone by pick 12 (seems a chance that might happen) and our 6th choice is going to slide to pick 18 it makes sense to trade down and pick up a free shot at pick 25. Hell if we get 25 we might even be able to attract Longer for a future Ruckman.

It all depends on who the club feel is there 6th choice. If its Dumont, Dunstan, Acres or Taylor there is a strong chance that guy could slip to pick 18. All four of those guys are pretty safe bets to be 150-200 gamers. If our 6th choice is Bontempelli or McCarthy then he is unlikely to slide to 18 so we don't go for the deal.

last year pick 18 - 20 were Grundy, Kennedy and Broomhead all 3 are very highly rated at Collingwood
2011 - McKenzie, Kavanagh and Croizer all very highly rated internally by their respective clubs
2010 - Watson, Smith and Pitt. Watson is crap and poor Jayden Pitt looked good but was forced to retire due to illness, Smith is a good player (also Lamb at 21, Wallis at 22 f/s and Guthrie at 23)
2009 - Tapscott, Griffiths and Fyfe. Tapscott is a Melbourne choice so who cares, Griff is crap but has plenty of potential and Fyfe is a freak. Pick 21 was Bastanic who is also very good
2008 - Shuey, Strauss and Swift. Shuey is a gun. Strauss another Melbourne mistake and swift retired. the next 5 picks were Ballyntine, Trengove, Zaharakis, Suban and Jack Redden.
2007- Rance, Ward and Notte. Rance and Ward are both very very good players Notte was a joke.

18 has been a very good pick outside of two teams shown to be poor early round drafters in Carlton and Melbourne.

Never ever think i'm trying to pick up pick up quantity for the sake of more players on the list but 2 very good players who improve you're best 22 over one super player. Not to mention it builds the length of time you can stay near the top of the ladder like a geelong instead of trying to be a yoyo team like Bulldogs, Saints and Melbourne.
 
I said if our top 5 choices are all gone by pick 12 (seems a chance that might happen) and our 6th choice is going to slide to pick 18 it makes sense to trade down and pick up a free shot at pick 25.
I agree with you in theory, but in reality, how would the club really know with any confidence who will be gone by 12, and who will be there still at 18. That's the big flaw (or risk, at least), in the strategy.
 
I agree with you in theory, but in reality, how would the club really know with any confidence who will be gone by 12, and who will be there still at 18. That's the big flaw (or risk, at least), in the strategy.


Yep i agree. But clubs have usually have a fair idea who will go where. Its why Collingwood pushed for pick 6 because they know Lions will take Lennon at 7. Its why WC are happy to trade down to 11 as they know no one will take sheed before then. Its a little harder at pick 18 but we still knew Ellis would be there at 15 (helps GWS had all the picks before us), but most clubs will have some idea of who will make it to their pick in the first round.
 
I thought the reason Collingwood are upgrading their pick was for so they could get Freeman.

I've heard both lennon and Freeman. But they'll only get one of them, Lennon will go to Brisbane at 7 or Freeman will go to melbourne at 9.
 

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