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maybe there is a reason for such consistent widespread opinion. Let me look at the vision:rolleyes:

Seen the vision, and am a little lost for words, apart from being a backman which we have a few, he is a good player by the looks of it but pick 12?? not for me!! I simply think Acres and Dunstan have more scope atm apart from others

1. What vision?
2. He's a midfielder now
 
Could it be we haven't been linked to Sheed much because we've been sure he'll go to the Eagles? Now he'll likely be available we'll surely look at him

I would, Apart from the word safe, the thing that wins it for me is versatility. He could play left pocket for us when resting out of the middle. I can't say no to a proven performer who can offer us that type of structural bonus as well!!
 

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the highlights in the draft hub!

As for being a midfielder maybe. Maybe midfielder/backman it would have looked better if you said that honestly

Seriously? You've come to the conclusion he's not worth pick 12 on that?

He's a midfielder who can rest in the back line and in all likelihood starts his career there like Vlastuin did. But he's predominantly a midfielder.
 
Could it be we haven't been linked to Sheed much because we've been sure he'll go to the Eagles? Now he'll likely be available we'll surely look at him


This is my thought also. But the last couple of days when the rumours that WCE have lost interest i haven't heard we've suddenly got some.
 
Freeman reminds of Matty White more than anyone except I assume a better tank. The thing is can he be a better footaller? Can he be more like G Ablett?:eek: look out:D I don't no.

One thing in his favour is he is stocky and he is not that short. He is a bit like B Harvey so as a package I am not totally against picking him up

Me too. No disrespect to either but if we used our first rounder on a Matty White type I'd be disappointed. Come on Salem
 
Seriously? You've come to the conclusion he's not worth pick 12 on that?

He's a midfielder who can rest in the back line and in all likelihood starts his career there like Vlastuin did. But he's predominantly a midfielder.


He could well become a 200 gamer or more, but he is not Vlastuin for starters in what he brings to the table in terms of size and leadership for starters and it looks like V is a better kick atm. For his height Jones disposal appears to be a bit iffy, and how is he with handball as an inside mid??


The problem with pick 12 is from what I have seen, granted limited, behind Dunstan, Acres, Freeman, Lennon, Salem etc...


Seriously we talk about maybe getting Sheed at 12 and then contemplate Jones, to me it highlights the gap between 12 and say 17 or so in the draft.

When talking about pick 12 for Jones it is more about how we rate him amongst his peers atm in the draft group he is in atm , and from what I have seen 12 is a reach. pick 18 maybe but honestly I wouldn't know because RFC's next pick is 50 so I haven't worried about too many players identifies in the 20-40 range!

In some draft years, sure Jones maybe worth pick 12 but not this year.
 
This is my thought also. But the last couple of days when the rumours that WCE have lost interest i haven't heard we've suddenly got some.

exactly, its a worry, because when WC made the trade there was a good chnce they were not focussed on Sheed IMO.

Apart from his track record, Sheed ticks a lot of boxes in what we need, left footed forward, left footed inside mid with a clearance record, left footed outside mid, come on, how could we say no given were we are at? He couldn't be anymore ready made and tanks can be improved!!

He could play left wing and a few years back weren't we looking at Polec and this guy can go up forward and rotate inside as well:cool:
 
Magic, with due respect, how the hell can you judge these players when you haven't actually seen them play? Seriously, it's weird

??? have seen the highlights, thats enough for me along with stats in terms of consistency etc.. In the highlights the players are actually playing a game of footy so I have seen them play although not live or at the ground. If not relevant why do afl.com.au put it on the web? obviously it is better what full games but most can't do that. But recruiters search and analyse for a reason! It has been going on for years when recruiters rely on scouters leads and bring in players for a look etc. Thats always been the nature of the beast in a high performance sport!

by the way it is not about judging them, rather gauging where they are at. On the footy field didn't you assess you were a step ahead of an opponent and simply brain them on the footy field?

Part of winning in footy is assessing your limitations against your opponents, that is what competition is about. Eg. if you are not highly agile and quick don't take Cyril on etc..
 
Because IMO players in a certain pick range need to display certain attributes to get picked between 1-14 give or take. Put it this way , lets say Zac Jones is actually worth pick 9 or 12. If that is the case Tigs2010 didn't do a good job selling him to me to win me over. Put it this way the commentary on Dunstan is a mile ahead than how Jones reads.

Lets say Jones is a worthy pick 9-12 at 181cm. If that were the case he would need to be lightning fast like a freeman, or great mark like Haselby for his size who can play forward, or plays like Selwood, great footy IQ, great poise, solky skills hand and foot, total clearance machine with contested positions like Sheed and unstan with reasoning why he can replicate it at AFL level.

But I read this :

9. Zak Jones - 181cm/76kg - Mid - Dandenong Stingrays
It was really a coin flip between he and Aish and whilst Aish is currently the better player, Jones' competitiveness and crazy attack on the ball and man gave him the edge. Looking like the back-up plan for when the bigger names are gone, Jones is an excellent inside midfield prospect. Attacks the ball like a man possessed and has a real drive to succeed in the big time and prove people wrong. Has worked extremely hard to improve his kicking and it is now at a solid level and with the improvement he's shown this year, there is no reason why it won't get better in a full-time environment.

and I think it reads like a pick in the 20's at best, not in terms of his opinion, but in terms of the description!!

Let me elaborate, firstly the is a reference to Aish who according to many is more outside and Jones is being labelled as inside. It makes the comparison pointless as supposedly they are slightly different types.
The other problem there is a lot of subjective opinion without any tangible back-up. First of all backup plan is no good for pick 12, if we want prospects they need to have high reward for any risk and Jones doesn't fit the profile of high risk high reward like a Bontempeli. Tigs2010 said he has already worked hard, so circumstances have been favourable against others with injuries etc,,why will he outperform them gong forward if they have a better run at it?? Words, like drive to suceed, attack on the ball, works hard, man possessed are subject to ridicule unless backed up by factual data like high possessions , clearance rates, combine stats etc... Then it reads he has worked hard to just have solid disposal. To me that just reads like a guy who is not a natural but has got the most out of himself in and advantageous position and as a result unlikely to have a lot more upside. I might be wrong, but that is how I interpret the description!

But know I will see the highlights and form my own opinion based on the vision.

Before I look at the vision to me he reads a bit like Ellis except Ellis likely tougher and better kick and probably pacer and possibly a better mark. The other thing is if we already have Ellis why would we need another potentially inferior version and if he is more inside, why, apart from endeavour would he succeed against the best at AFL in a final, if all he has is great attack on the ball, given in finals scenario everybody should have great attack on the ball otherwise they do not get picked particularly inside mids??

Wow, just looked at the draft hub, not even categorised as a mid, not sure what to say, small defender?

Interesting, looks like a good small right footed backman from the vision. Smaller than Toovey. We have a few of of those, what gives??? We have Morris:confused:


To be fair I might pick Jones ahead of Freeman,then again after seeing Freeman again I would take the chance with him

But really, Tigs2010 description doesn't do Jones justice. Look at afl.com.au. where it says Jones vastly improved, that is a relevant fact that should be able to be verified with stats, it says he is good overhead, another relevant point, but looking the vision I would say good under pressure, good awareness, nice feel for the ball below the news, seems to have reasonable balance. Finally, afl.com.au added 2 cm to 183cm, that is relevant if accurate, being a MVP is relevant to and having no fear is a bit different and more footy astute than crazy attack!!

Honestly, if RFC picked him he would have to improve his disposal particularly left side!!

Top be fair I could rate him top 20 , but for me Lennon, Salem, Acres, Freeman and Dunstan have more appeal atm

Again don't interprete everything that you read as gospel. The highlighted section, in which you describe a top 20 chance only is exactly the description of a selwood so could also be seen as a top 10 draftee. My point being is your trying to mix all descriptions via phantoms of BF's/journo's etc and then using their opinions as gospel. If anything the draft has shown us that we just don't how junior's will progress to senior footy and a small blurb(particularly when you don't watch them yourself and not just highlight reels) in an afl racebook.
 

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He could well become a 200 gamer or more, but he is not Vlastuin for starters in what he brings to the table in terms of size and leadership for starters and it looks like V is a better kick atm. For his height Jones disposal appears to be a bit iffy, and how is he with handball as an inside mid??


The problem with pick 12 is from what I have seen, granted limited, behind Dunstan, Acres, Freeman, Lennon, Salem etc...


Seriously we talk about maybe getting Sheed at 12 and then contemplate Jones, to me it highlights the gap between 12 and say 17 or so in the draft.

When talking about pick 12 for Jones it is more about how we rate him amongst his peers atm in the draft group he is in atm , and from what I have seen 12 is a reach. pick 18 maybe but honestly I wouldn't know because RFC's next pick is 50 so I haven't worried about too many players identifies in the 20-40 range!

In some draft years, sure Jones maybe worth pick 12 but not this year.

How the hell do you know this without interviewing him? You have made this up. And if your asking him about handballing then you don't know him at all and cant then have an informed opinion of him.
 
Again don't interprete everything that you read as gospel. The highlighted section, in which you describe a top 20 chance only is exactly the description of a selwood so could also be seen as a top 10 draftee. My point being is your trying to mix all descriptions via phantoms of BF's/journo's etc and then using their opinions as gospel. If anything the draft has shown us that we just don't how junior's will progress to senior footy and a small blurb(particularly when you don't watch them yourself and not just highlight reels) in an afl racebook.


not mixing anything, that is just your point of view.


"in which you describe a top 20 chance only is exactly the description of a selwood so could also be seen as a top 10 draftee" Not sure what you are talking about. The description reads nothing like Selwoodo_O , I assume Joel. Joels highlights were far superior than Zac Jones description from my perspective

If you read my comments, MVP, vast improver(can be validated by stats) likewise good mark are not necessarily opinions and more towards facts that are more reliable. The fact is some opinions are more subjective than others and many a recruiter has relied on a scouters initial reference. The trick is figuring out what is real and what is noise, thats why people with great records get paid the big bucks, they know what to look for and what they are talking about!

Anyway, I am over all the draft talk except to say my number one pick for most underrated pick this year is Dunstan. Don't be surprised if he punches above his weight in the years to come:thumbsu: and my smoky star is Acres.

One other thing, if Scharenberg slides big time that would be f... ridiculous!!!
 

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Yeah. Odd timing, although all work would have been done.
Doesnt seem to have walked for work issues.


Very odd timing. I think it may be more then personal issues that saw him walk. If he ends up back at the Cats which seems likely i reckon it might be a bit more to it.

I still think it effects this draft, they are a man down with reviewing all the tapes ect.. and are relying on the same guys that picked up such gems as Watson, Bootsma, Lucas and yarran.
 
What exactly are Acres' injuries? His shoulder issue has been well documented but is there anything else?
The shoulder one from what I can gather was a result of a heavy/awkward impact rather than a genetic weakness, which tells me with proper management it will come good. It's just the one arm too, not both.
I really think Acres will be one of the best players from this draft if he stays healthy, he's just such a well rounded player. If the club does it's due diligence on him medically and deems him healthy then I really think we should take a punt. Better prospect IMO than Freeman or Jones. I do like Jones though.
 
What exactly are Acres' injuries? His shoulder issue has been well documented but is there anything else?
The shoulder one from what I can gather was a result of a heavy/awkward impact rather than a genetic weakness, which tells me with proper management it will come good. It's just the one arm too, not both.
I really think Acres will be one of the best players from this draft if he stays healthy, he's just such a well rounded player. If the club does it's due diligence on him medically and deems him healthy then I really think we should take a punt. Better prospect IMO than Freeman or Jones. I do like Jones though.
From what i understand he has only had a shoulder injury that has cuased him to miss games and he is back training with West perth senior squad in their preseason that started last week.
 
I just took a look at Zak Jones' highlights reel on the AFL website. It's all vision from his Champs where he played off-half back.

Of course views are going to be flawed. Put in a highlight reel of his preliminary final (which was my favourite game by any draftee this season) or anything from his last eight or so weeks in the TAC Cup and I reckon most of this board would be drooling.
 

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