2013 Potential Draftee and Trade Watch

[year of the cat]

year of the cat , what do you like about Miller over other players at that pick?
Actually..are you talking Isaiah 187cm or Josh the ruckman 204cm?

Isaiah - first of all I should declare my assessment is based only on the vision provided by afl.com.au so it's hardly a learned one!

Firstly, I like that he seems to read the play exceptionally well in the highlights. His disposal is first rate and he displays both a great turn of foot as well as terrific agility. I think that he'd make a very good attacking half back. Plonk him on one flank and Thurlow on the other with a couple of more defensively minded smaller types down there, then we have the makings of a good back six.

I have a feeling we will end up with Gardiner the closer this draft gets. So my option C) might be the most realistic. I do like the look of Gardiner. I don't think he is big enough to be that tall to take the gorillas but I do think he will end up being the general in the back half like Scarlett was for much of his career. The guy just looks to me like a very organised player. I love his competitiveness and drive to succeed. I just can't agree with the assessment provided a couple of pages back. I think it is very wrong.

 

[Turbocat]

Isaiah - first of all I should declare my assessment is based only on the vision provided by afl.com.au so it's hardly a learned one!

Firstly, I like that he seems to read the play exceptionally well in the highlights. His disposal is first rate and he displays both a great turn of foot as well as terrific agility. I think that he'd make a very good attacking half back. Plonk him on one flank and Thurlow on the other with a couple of more defensively minded smaller types down there, then we have the makings of a good back six.

I have a feeling we will end up with Gardiner the closer this draft gets. So my option C) might be the most realistic. I do like the look of Gardiner. I don't think he is big enough to be that tall to take the gorillas but I do think he will end up being the general in the back half like Scarlett was for much of his career. The guy just looks to me like a very organised player. I love his competitiveness and drive to succeed. I just can't agree with the assessment provided a couple of pages back. I think it is very wrong.

A) #16 Acres, #36 inside mid - Jones, Cripps or Hewett or Robertson, #41 Miller (keen on this guy) or Lang

B) #16 Crouch, #36 Giles or McStay, #41 Miller or Lobb or Lang

C) #16 Gardiner, #36 one of the inside mids from A), #41 Miller or Lang

D) #16 Dumont or Dunstan, #36 Giles or McStay, #41 Miller or Lang

We all have little fav's and it look like Lang and Miller are yours. Option A closest to my idea.
Realistic? Its such a raffle , all we can do is give a rough estimate anyway. For eg Option A
We take Acres , all 4 are available at 36 and we take Robertson , then at 41 Cripps and Hewet are still there , we could end up with Acres, Robertson and Hewett.

 

[year of the cat]

We all have little fav's and it look like Lang and Miller are yours. Option A closest to my idea.
Realistic? Its such a raffle , all we can do is give a rough estimate anyway. For eg Option A
We take Acres , all 4 are available at 36 and we take Robertson , then at 41 Cripps and Hewet are still there , we could end up with Acres, Robertson and Hewett.

Option A is my ideal. I would love to have a combination of Acres and one other inside mid come into the side but I'd be comfortable with any of the scenarios to be honest. I think if we were to get Acres and Cripps/Robertson/Hewett we would use 41 on a different type rather than going for another mid. If miraculously one of the rated talls slipped then we might use it here or possibly a more outside type/flanker like Miller.

 

[Turbocat]

Option A is my ideal. I would love to have a combination of Acres and one other inside mid come into the side but I'd be comfortable with any of the scenarios to be honest. I think if we were to get Acres and Cripps/Robertson/Hewett we would use 41 on a different type rather than going for another mid. If miraculously one of the rated talls slipped then we might use it here or possibly a more outside type/flanker like Miller.

I suspect if they got two mids they liked , they would look at what talls are there for 41 , the weigh it up. They may pick Sully , but they may also look at Rucks and say X is a good long term prospect and take him. Someone like Leslie would fill both needs.Pure Rucks maybe Cameron. Built like a young Mumford type ruck.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/darcy-cameron

Who knows , they may wait till Rdraft and go with the kid Howe , or so other kid like Fort or King. ( A ruck called King mmm)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/max-king

I have pencilled in Herbert who is sort of you idea of different after the first two. Acres Outside Robertson inside and Herbert bit of both , but can play back and forward.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I think it's tricky because a lot of the good inside mids will go between 16 and 36 (which is why I'm annoyed we didn't get a late 20's pick for West), e.g. Cripps, Dumont, Jones etc will all go in that range. Robertson is the only one who is realistic at 36 because of injuries.

With mature age players like Sully the club would generally know before the draft whether they are planning to pick them, which will influence 16. E.g. if they are taking a mature tall at 41 then they are probably more likely to use 16 on a good midfielder, whereas if they aren't, they may feel the need to snap up a young tall at 16 and roll the dice on the midfielders getting through to 36.

 

[Jon Douglas]

I think it's tricky because a lot of the good inside mids will go between 16 and 36 (which is why I'm annoyed we didn't get a late 20's pick for West), e.g. Cripps, Dumont, Jones etc will all go in that range. Robertson is the only one who is realistic at 36 because of injuries.

With mature age players like Sully the club would generally know before the draft whether they are planning to pick them, which will influence 16. E.g. if they are taking a mature tall at 41 then they are probably more likely to use 16 on a good midfielder, whereas if they aren't, they may feel the need to snap up a young tall at 16 and roll the dice on the midfielders getting through to 36.

If the rumour that we have already got our pick 16 sorted and he is round 2 pick - then I reckon you maybe right. We roll the dice for mids with picks 34 and 41. I hope not - go two strong bodied mids with pick 16 & 34 or 41. Ok to take a KPB with 34 or 41.

Geelong like strong bodied, skilled players with leadership potential - that is why I am all for Dunstan - AND he fills a much needed role an inside mid that can play next season. He could be much like Caddy in his first year at Catland IMO.

Be great to play both swapping them off the HFF and the midfield. Big bodies that attack the ball ferociously are good thing.

 

[meto]

I think it's tricky because a lot of the good inside mids will go between 16 and 36 (which is why I'm annoyed we didn't get a late 20's pick for West), e.g. Cripps, Dumont, Jones etc will all go in that range. Robertson is the only one who is realistic at 36 because of injuries.

With mature age players like Sully the club would generally know before the draft whether they are planning to pick them, which will influence 16. E.g. if they are taking a mature tall at 41 then they are probably more likely to use 16 on a good midfielder, whereas if they aren't, they may feel the need to snap up a young tall at 16 and roll the dice on the midfielders getting through to 36.

What was the injury Robertson sustained and what pick would he'd have gone without it do you think?
He's a very big midfielder at 191/88, he's Joel Corey sized pre-draft.

 

[Turbocat]

What was the injury Robertson sustained and what pick would he'd have gone without it do you think? He's a very big midfielder at 191/88, he's Joel Corey sized pre-draft.

He may even be a little quicker and have a bit of Chappy agro to go with it. The only down side is for a hard guy he appears to be a bit injury susceptible. Still , worth the risk if we can get him for 36 imo

 

[meto]

He may even be a little quicker and have a bit of Chappy agro to go with it. The only down side is for a hard guy he appears to be a bit injury susceptible. Still , worth the risk if we can get him for 36 imo

Sounds to me like he's got plenty to offer, crumbs if he's all of that and he's got no structural issues like the Menzels, I'd use a late pick for sure.
If it's soft tissue or archilles problems it might just be hard ground syndrome.

 

[Jon Douglas]

Just added to another thread the prospect of Travis Tuck - who is reportedly not only off the drugs, is doing every thing right, an true inside mid that gets heaps of the ball and a good left footer to boot. Quite a decent size and is 24 - nearly a ready made player. Maybe worth looking at with pick 41 ???

So Dunstan, McStay and Tuck ??? Could be a good result for us. Just really think GFC will avoid him because of his past issues but I hope they at least have a look at him.

 

[Pivo]

Jon Douglas - pick 3 and stick with them.

Personally, I'd not bother with Tuck. If we look at the recycled option I'd rather Mav Weller.

 

[year of the cat]

http://www.scpaige.com.au/phantom-draft-november-edition/

A phantom draft from someone who claims to have reasonable inside information. Fair to say I'd be pretty happy with this outcome. Slightly disappointed with missing on Acres but a Gardiner/Hewett combination addresses two of our weaknesses. Not sure about Luke Reynolds on a needs basis but the kid is a very classy half forward.

 

[thejester]

Would be pretty unimpressed with Reynolds given who is still on the board.

 

[year of the cat]

Would be pretty unimpressed with Reynolds given who is still on the board.

Yes, Robertson, Tsitas and Miller for starters I'd prefer if the draft was to pan out like that (which it won't!!).

 

[Turbocat]

http://www.scpaige.com.au/phantom-draft-november-edition/

A phantom draft from someone who claims to have reasonable inside information. Fair to say I'd be pretty happy with this outcome. Slightly disappointed with missing on Acres but a Gardiner/Hewett combination addresses two of our weaknesses. Not sure about Luke Reynolds on a needs basis but the kid is a very classy half forward.

Be disappointed in that outcome. But it wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Turbocat]

Would be pretty unimpressed with Reynolds given who is still on the board.

It would also seem it would be a draft of near misses. McStay near get thru to 36 but after taking Gardiner , we wouldn't take him
Then at 40 Tempelton 1 before 41 Renyolds. mmm

The after the 41 pick Robertson, Tsitas , Herbert.......

 

[year of the cat]

Be disappointed in that outcome. But it wouldn't be the first time.

Any reason TC? I would have thought that Gardiner and Hewett were two very worthy draftees.

 

[Turbocat]

Any reason TC? I would have thought that Gardiner and Hewett were two very worthy draftees.

As I said , I can remember being disappointed on a draft more than once but give it a day or three , the pre draft phantom expectation settle. Once I see them in Geelong colours it does have an effect.

Gardiner at 16 ... OK , and he fills a need. Jst not sure he is worth that
Hewet . Good
Renyolds. Not a fan.


Comparing that phantom to campion data rating is enlightening
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...rospects-of-2013/story-fni5f22o-1226759925435

Gardiner at 30 and Acres at 25. Gibbons at 16. Have to go and have a look at him.

 

[muttonchops]

http://www.scpaige.com.au/phantom-draft-november-edition/

A phantom draft from someone who claims to have reasonable inside information. Fair to say I'd be pretty happy with this outcome. Slightly disappointed with missing on Acres but a Gardiner/Hewett combination addresses two of our weaknesses. Not sure about Luke Reynolds on a needs basis but the kid is a very classy half forward.

Take no notice of what she says. She is a big noter who claims to know a lot but actually knows very little. Just another phantom. She is is a joke. Her super coach videos are hideous.

 

[Pivo]

Take no notice of what she says. She is a big noter who claims to know a lot but actually knows very little. Just another phantom. She is is a joke. Her super coach videos are hideous.

Ease up, that's my sister.

He said with tongue in cheek.

I actually thought a number of her write-ups on guys I'd seen weren't too bad earlier in the year.

That said, the write up about Acres has "the Blues" scattered throughout which does diminish her cred a bit.

And I don't like the fact she has Dunstan sliding to 29 (mainly because that is close but not close enough for us to get him + Acres )

But I did like the fact she has Cameron McCarthy slipping into the Top 10 and Bontempelli going #13 (as the person who originally told me about Bontempelli said that was pretty much his spot - 11 to 17 iirc).

One guy around here who is worth reading, especially for the SA kids, is Chris25 - he was into Karpany quite early and after Karpany's BOG in the u/18 GF over the border he has really bolted up the rankings in the last couple of weeks.

I also don't mind reading Snoop's stuff, pretty well thought out with some good detail.

 

[year of the cat]

http://www.scpaige.com.au/phantom-draft-november-edition/

An update from her...fair to say I'd be pumped with the first 2 picks

 

[thejester]

Like it how the entry for Acres still has him going to Carlton.

 

[year of the cat]

Like it how the entry for Acres still has him going to Carlton.

Yes, her attention to detail is a little casual. Glad she's not operating on me..

 

[Turbocat]

Yes, her attention to detail is a little casual. Glad she's not operating on me..

Fair go , its a lot of work to get the club thats picking the kid and the clubs thats mentioned in the write up in sync.

 

[muttonchops]

Ease up, that's my sister.

He said with tongue in cheek.

I actually thought a number of her write-ups on guys I'd seen weren't too bad earlier in the year.

That said, the write up about Acres has "the Blues" scattered throughout which does diminish her cred a bit.

And I don't like the fact she has Dunstan sliding to 29 (mainly because that is close but not close enough for us to get him + Acres )

But I did like the fact she has Cameron McCarthy slipping into the Top 10 and Bontempelli going #13 (as the person who originally told me about Bontempelli said that was pretty much his spot - 11 to 17 iirc).

One guy around here who is worth reading, especially for the SA kids, is Chris25 - he was into Karpany quite early and after Karpany's BOG in the u/18 GF over the border he has really bolted up the rankings in the last couple of weeks.

I also don't mind reading Snoop's stuff, pretty well thought out with some good detail.

I agree with the Chris25 and snoop call. Don't want to go on about her too much but let's just say she holds herself in very high regard.