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2013 Team

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My team for round 1 with our current roster
B: R.Harwood. D.Merret. J.Patful
HB: M.Golby. M.Maguire. J.Adcock
C: T.Rockliff. D.Rich. P.Hanley
HF:D.Zorko. J.Brown. R.Bewick
F: A.Mcgrath. J.Lisle. J.Green
R:M.Luenbeger.J.Redden.A.Raines
I/C: S.Black, C.Beams, R.Lester
SUB: E.Yeo. or S.Docherty. Or J.Polec
 
dlanod said:
I think the concerns over playing all of Patfull, Merrett and Maguire tend to forget that the main concern over too many talls is lack of chasing. However in our case, Merrett is one of the fastest and most agile players on our list and Patfull, being undersized, is definitely on the nimble side and while not fast is definitely not slow.
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That's not my concern. It's that all three are dour defenders and have limited offensive rebound. As good as they all are, take anyone of them out and put in Lester and I think we have a better balance.
 
Grimreepah said:
That's not my concern. It's that all three are dour defenders and have limited offensive rebound. As good as they all are, take anyone of them out and put in Lester and I think we have a better balance.
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I think their ability take take intercept marks overcomes that though. If you can mark the ball as it comes into your defensive 50, you've won the ball back which I think is as important as run and carry.
 

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I think we have become the default "next team to improve" on the main board simply because none of them can stand the thought of their arch enemies being the one.

We are shaping up well. It is getting tough to fit everyone I would like into a starting team.
 
POBT said:
I think their ability take take intercept marks overcomes that though. If you can mark the ball as it comes into your defensive 50, you've won the ball back which I think is as important as run and carry.
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With Lester I would expect around 18 disposals compared to about 12 for Patfull or Maguire. Patfull and Maguire have the edge in marking/spoiling, but I reckon playing on a tall that is third in line the team gets more value out of the extra six disposals.

An opposition forward line is obviously going to try and give their best tall as much opportunity as it can. That still leaves plenty of opportunity for the 2nd tall, but the third guy usually has limited opportunities. That's why a think a shut down defender on a third tall is a bit of a waste. It's a bit like having a wicket keeper who can't bat. There is an opportunity there to add some attacking firepower.
 
Grimreepah said:
With Lester I would expect around 18 disposals compared to about 12 for Patfull or Maguire. Patfull and Maguire have the edge in marking/spoiling, but I reckon playing on a tall that is third in line the team gets more value out of the extra six disposals.
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So with only two of Merrett, Maguire and Patfull inh our backline, where would you put the third?
 
As much as I love Merrett down back I would really like to see Brown, Lisle and Merrett in one FWD line with Goose, Staker and Patful being the talls down back. It seems to work nicely on AFL Live ;)
 
Bert Man said:
As much as I love Merrett down back I would really like to see Brown, Lisle and Merrett in one FWD line with Goose, Staker and Patful being the talls down back. It seems to work nicely on AFL Live ;)
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Mind you, AFL Live says Zorko isnt in our best 22, which is just a bit silly :p
 
Grimreepah said:
With Lester I would expect around 18 disposals compared to about 12 for Patfull or Maguire. Patfull and Maguire have the edge in marking/spoiling, but I reckon playing on a tall that is third in line the team gets more value out of the extra six disposals.
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I don't agree. I think that a side like Collingwood demonstrates the benefit of having 2 genuine talls and a 3rd player who can lock down on a medium or tall forward. In fact, when you look at the Collingwood defence, they really don't have a lot of "rebound" players - but they have a lot of blokes who read play well and can win the ball back, either in the air or by creating a 2 on 1 situation that means the opposition can't secure possession. I think this is more valuable than an extra half a dozen touches, particularly if you have others who do the rebounding once the team has won the ball back.

If we were playing 3 Goose Maguires in defence, then I'd be concerned. But the 3 experienced defenders offer flexibility, mobility and, above all, are excellent readers of the ball coming inside defensive 50. They are different types of tall defenders, just as Brown, Reid and Tarrant were for Collingwood this year.

Further, I am as big a fan of Lester's as anyone but he doesn't "hurt" with his disposals (not yet anyway). Based on 2012 form, I don't think you are getting genuine attacking thrust by playing him instead of Goose. You might get a few more touches but I don't think this necessarily equates to a noticeable difference in run and carry.
 
POBT said:
I don't agree. I think that a side like Collingwood demonstrates the benefit of having 2 genuine talls and a 3rd player who can lock down on a medium or tall forward. In fact, when you look at the Collingwood defence, they really don't have a lot of "rebound" players - but they have a lot of blokes who read play well and can win the ball back, either in the air or by creating a 2 on 1 situation that means the opposition can't secure possession. I think this is more valuable than an extra half a dozen touches, particularly if you have others who do the rebounding once the team has won the ball back.

If we were playing 3 Goose Maguires in defence, then I'd be concerned. But the 3 experienced defenders offer flexibility, mobility and, above all, are excellent readers of the ball coming inside defensive 50. They are different types of tall defenders, just as Brown, Reid and Tarrant were for Collingwood this year.

Further, I am as big a fan of Lester's as anyone but he doesn't "hurt" with his disposals (not yet anyway). Based on 2012 form, I don't think you are getting genuine attacking thrust by playing him instead of Goose. You might get a few more touches but I don't think this necessarily equates to a noticeable difference in run and carry.
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Regarding Collingwood I think you are selling Reid a bit short on his rebounding ability. Not sure on his disposal numbers, but his long, penetrating kick is a real asset. Regarding Lester, he may not have a long highlight reel, but his extra involvement in setting up the play makes a noticable difference imo, which I would argue has a flow on effect for players up the ground. If Patfull does get this role then I hope he plays with more dare, but it might be getting to the stage where it's difficult to teach an old dog new tricks.
 

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Personally I think a large part of successful rebound off half back are the options that are available upfield. I think that this is an area that we can definitely improve on next season as our endurance and predictability to each other improve. We need more spread out onto the wings, which in turn opens up opportunity in the corridor. We saw glimpses of this at stages this season but not nearly enough. What I did notice in the last few games of the season is that Beams is quite effective at providing this spread and option, I seemed to notice him quite a bit providing this.
 
Do be warned that my research has shown a trend of Patfull getting better at attacking. If he continues his rate of improvement (which I estimate at about 25% per year) we might not have as many problems as we first thought.
 
Assuming the Moloney deal goes through:

Grimreepah said:
B: Adcock, Merrett, Docherty
HB: Golby, Patfull, Maguire
C: Redden, Moloney, Hanley
HF: Rockliff, Brown, Zorko
F: McGrath, Lisle, Bewick
R: Leuenberger, Black, Rich
I: Beams, Raines, Green
S: Lester

Key:

bold = definite
blue = probable
red = new
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IN: Moloney
OUT: Polkinghorne
Lester gets demoted to the sub and as such is no longer a 'probable'.

*I'm fairly undecided on which two of Harwood, Golby and Docherty should be in the backline. I've replaced Harwood with Docherty because I'm leaning more and more towards him being the designated kicker now that Drummond has retired.
 
Are a lot of people forgetting or giving up on Staker? What are peoples thoughts there... two knee reco's, comeback at 29. He is very unlucky though, he would have def been playing every game these past two years... I think he will come back. He seems like a pretty professional type.

My Team (With Moloney)

B: Adcock, Merrett, Golby
HB: Hanley, Maguire, Patfull
C: Rockliff, Moloney, Polec
HF: Polkinhorne, Brown, Green
F: Bewick, Lisle, McGrath
R: Leuengerger, Rich, Raines
I: Zorko, Black, Karnezis
S: Harwood
E: Lester, Staker, Beams

Problem with our back line is Patfull isn't 2 or 3 cm taller and 4 or 5 kgs heavier, which is what he needs to be if Merrett goes down in a game without Maguire there especially if its against say tippett, Cloke, Clark etc(196cm+ players). But on the brighter side, if we play Maguire and Patfull, it gives us the option of sending Merrett up forward (ala Leppa style).
 
Dom PC said:
Are a lot of people forgetting or giving up on Staker? What are peoples thoughts there... two knee reco's, comeback at 29. He is very unlucky though, he would have def been playing every game these past two years... I think he will come back. He seems like a pretty professional type.

My Team (With Moloney)

B: Adcock, Merrett, Golby
HB: Hanley, Maguire, Patfull
C: Rockliff, Moloney, Polec
HF: Polkinhorne, Brown, Green
F: Bewick, Lisle, McGrath
R: Leuengerger, Rich, Raines
I: Zorko, Black, Karnezis
S: Harwood
E: Lester, Staker, Beams

Problem with our back line is Patfull isn't 2 or 3 cm taller and 4 or 5 kgs heavier, which is what he needs to be if Merrett goes down in a game without Maguire there especially if its against say tippett, Cloke, Clark etc(196cm+ players). But on the brighter side, if we play Maguire and Patfull, it gives us the option of sending Merrett up forward (ala Leppa style).
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ARE YOU HIGH LESTER, BEAMS AND STAKER ARE ALL IN THE 22 BEST PLAYERS
 

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Bert Man said:
ARE YOU HIGH LESTER, BEAMS AND STAKER ARE ALL IN THE 22 BEST PLAYERS
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You need to calm down Bert Man. I'm tired of the caps lock stuff and you also need to be a bit more respectful of other people's opinions.
 
Bengwatkins said:
A lot of people will be after your head with Beams as the Sub their...I think Polks spot is up for grabs with Beams being the likely succsessor, if his form continues.
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Lol he not even sub. I really rate him. It's just I think Polkinhorne showed some real class in the forward line in the last few games of the season and I think Polkinhorne showed he can be a very effective leading HFF who is able to set up goals from just outside the 50. To be obvious, Polec is very much a speculative pick, so more than likely Beams gets his spot. But I'm really(desperately) hopefull Polec starts to show us why he was taken where he was, I know he will take time though.
 
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