2013 Team

[POBT]

Missed "Resilience". If anything Polec has not demonstrated this trait. However he is in his second year and his body is still maturing. I suspect he will not start showing glimpses of his upper performance limit until he is in his fourth year and reaches his early to mid twenties.

Yep.

 

[SizeMatters]

B: Patful Merret Adcock
HB: Hanley Maguire Golby
C: Polec Lester Yeo
HF: Zorko Brown Bewick
FF: Green Lisle Banfield

R: Luenberger Redden Rich
INT: Black Beams Rockliff
SUB: Harwood

 

[Grimreepah]

I'm surprised people are leaving Raines out.

 

[POBT]

I'm surprised people are leaving Raines out.

Me too. The same happened last off season IIRC.

He might not be the first selected but I suspect they don't dither on his selection for too long.

 

[Stocka]

I'm surprised people are leaving Raines out.

I think some people might be thinking along the lines of Beams taking his role. Personally I think there's a role for both in the team.

I'm also surprised at people starting Rockliff on the bench!

 

[Baby_Jenks]

For my team Rocky's on the bench as well only because he plays best as a mid and I don't want him starting forward as it signals that's a more permanent move. Rockliff gets pushed out of the midfield by the likes of Black, Redden Raines or Rich so bench it is. Pure semantics on my behalf. With the current rotations that go on, the bench shouldn't carry that much of a stigma anymore.

 

[POBT]

For my team Rocky's on the bench as well only because he plays best as a mid and I don't want him starting forward as it signals that's a more permanent move. Rockliff gets pushed out of the midfield by the likes of Black, Redden Raines or Rich so bench it is. Pure semantics on my behalf. With the current rotations that go on, the bench shouldn't carry that much of a stigma anymore.

Yeah, it is a bit like people getting upset when their favourite onballer is named on a half forward flank instead of as the start ruck rover. It borders on meaningless these days.

A bench player is often into the action within a few minutes anyway.

 

[Offsider]

I would prefer Rocky to start in the forward line where he is dangerous and then rotate through the midfield if he is not a starting mid. He is more dangerous forward and can kick a goal. This allows him to spend more time on the ground and means that he can be more heavily utilised.

 

[Fatcat08]

Considering players start rotations after about 2 minutes after the bounce in a game I don't think it really matters who is on the bench. The need to start rotations early to ensure that players aren't all coming off at the same time makes starting position largely irrelevant.

 

[Grimreepah]

It's hard to see Beams not in the round 1 team now.

B: Adcock, Merrett, Drummond
HB: Golby, Patfull, ______
C: Redden, Rockliff, Hanley
HF: Beams, Brown, Zorko
F: McGrath, _____, Bewick
R: Leuenberger, Black, Rich
I: Lester, Raines, Green
S: _____

Key:

bold = definites
blue = probables

I can't bring myself to put all of Merrett, Patfull and Maguire in defence, but that's probably what they'll do. Lisle the most likely at full forward if we don't get Tippett. Not sure if Drummond deserves to be in the team based on this year's form, but can't see them leaving him out if he's fit. Sub can be either Polkinghorne (who the coaches love) or Yeo (who the fans love). Harwood unlucky. Hopefully Docherty, Karnezis and Polec can really progress over the preseason and force their way in.

Slight change there. Harwood would be my replacement for Drummond, but his form dipped a bit towards the end of the year so I wouldn't have him as a probable. Docherty could also get a gig. Without Drummond we don't have a stand out designated kicker, so that may give Docherty an advantage at the selection table.

 

[pauldrc]

Slight change there. Harwood would be my replacement for Drummond, but his form dipped a bit towards the end of the year so I wouldn't have him as a probable. Docherty could also get a gig. Without Drummond we don't have a stand out designated kicker, so that may give Docherty an advantage at the selection table.

I'd think Maguire and Docherty would fill the two back positions, with either Tippett or Lisle in the FF spot....pretty much the team I'd like to see at this point anyway....

 

[POBT]

The other option is to put Hanley into defence which opens up a space for another mid/wingman/half forward type. Hanley doesn't play a true wing role anyway - it is more that Heath Shaw part HBF/part wing role.

I know Grimreepah is uncomfortable naming Goose, Sauce and Patfull together in defence but I think that is how we will line up for round 1. I think that is the most "probable" outcome. I'd therefore have Goose as a probable CHB.

 

[FromOldFitzroy]

FWIW, here's mine-
Backs - Sauce,Maguire, Patful, Lester, Adcock, Golby. (Yeo and Harwood back-ups)
Forwards - Brown, Lisle, Green, McGrath, Zorko, Bewick
Ruck - Leuenberger
Midfield - Black, Rich, Redden, Rockliff,Hanley, Beams,Raines, Polkinghorne
That's 21, so one spot up for grabs.
Forward line has 4 smalls - really need Karnezis or Cornelius to step up.
Staker is reluctantly left out - could be a trade option, as he's quality, but getting on. Possible trade to NSW as he came from there originally, I think.
That leaves Polec, Docherty, Bartlett, O'Brien, Banfield and Weardon to show us something in the pre-season.
Clarke to get some games at FB to assess.
Michael the forward line monster for the future, post-Brown, if he can cut it.
Crisp, McKeever and Wrigley also have the pre-season to demand a spot.

 

[AFLQLD]

I wonder what role Rich will play in the medium to long term. At present, all too often he seems to be needed to extract the ball in close while I always feel his best role is to be the next receiver after the ball clears the congestion around the ruck. That's when he can take most advantage of his kicking.

Perhaps as some of the other midfielders develop he can play a little more of an outside role while still remaining fairly close to the action. I suppose it depends on how some guys develop next year. Would be good to see Rich running into a little space more often. I think then we will see what an absolute gun he truly is. Thoughts?

 

[Offsider]

The other option is to put Hanley into defence which opens up a space for another mid/wingman/half forward type. Hanley doesn't play a true wing role anyway - it is more that Heath Shaw part HBF/part wing role.

I know Grimreepah is uncomfortable naming Goose, Sauce and Patfull together in defence but I think that is how we will line up for round 1. I think that is the most "probable" outcome. I'd therefore have Goose as a probable CHB.

I think Goose would be more of a week to week proposition depending on the team we may play. Ie. if we are going to play a team which relies on tall forwards, such as West Coast then he will come into the team. Conversely if a team relies more on smalls, like Carlton, then I could see him missing out due to match up problems.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

I think Goose would be more of a week to week proposition depending on the team we may play. Ie. if we are going to play a team which relies on tall forwards, such as West Coast then he will come into the team. Conversely if a team relies more on smalls, like Carlton, then I could see him missing out due to match up problems.

If goose is fit and playing like he did this year, he should be selected every game. The trio of Merrett, Goose and Patful compete well against most opposition due to Patfulls versatility. These 3 offer a great core defense which is great, throw in Adock, Hanley and Golby we have a very handy defensive unit with Harwood / Docherty as back up.

The major problem with Goose is being able to keep him on the park, the last 3 years have seen him play 14,15,16 games respectively. No doubt he's in our best 18 when fit

 

[Ironmonger]

I don't see a problem playing Maguire, Merrett and Patfull in the same team. I maintain that Patfull is more of a third defender than a key defender, and can play on a mid-sized forward.

Anyway, I think it's never a bad thing to be a little bit taller in the backline than the other team in the forwardline. Puts the pressure on their midfield to use it well instead of pumping it forward.

 

[Dylan12]

I don't see a problem playing Maguire, Merrett and Patfull in the same team.

Puts the pressure on their midfield to use it well instead of pumping it forward.

Regarding the above, I think Maguire showed what an asset he is in those sitautions. I recall countless times this season the ball being pumped in and Maguire holding firm and marking the ball. Maguire makes my starting 18 every day of the week and in tandem with Merrett makes for a very good key position combo, not to mention Patfull's ability to play tall when required.

 

[kylegee28]

B: Patfull - Merrett - Adcock
HB: Hanley - Maguire - Golby
C: Rockliff - Rich - Zorko
HF: Karnezis - Brown - Beams
F: McGrath - Lisle - Bewick
Foll: Leuenberger - Raines - Redden
I: Lester - Harwood - Green SUB: Docherty

 

[dlanod]

I think the concerns over playing all of Patfull, Merrett and Maguire tend to forget that the main concern over too many talls is lack of chasing. However in our case, Merrett is one of the fastest and most agile players on our list and Patfull, being undersized, is definitely on the nimble side and while not fast is definitely not slow.

 

[PTizzle]

I don't see a problem playing Maguire, Merrett and Patfull in the same team. I maintain that Patfull is more of a third defender than a key defender, and can play on a mid-sized forward.

Anyway, I think it's never a bad thing to be a little bit taller in the backline than the other team in the forwardline. Puts the pressure on their midfield to use it well instead of pumping it forward.

Totally agree.

It's not just a case of playing 3 talls - Patfull can play medium or tall and Merrett is so athletic for a big-man he's dangerous. Not to mention that having all 3 means we can use Merrett's versatility if needs be, I expect he'll fill a gap up forward a few times next year now that he's proven he can do it.

B: Patfull - Merrett - Adcock
HB: Hanley - Maguire - Golby
C: Rockliff - Rich - Zorko
HF: Karnezis - Brown - Beams
F: McGrath - Lisle - Bewick
Foll: Leuenberger - Raines - Redden
I: Lester - Harwood - Green SUB: Docherty

I love this team, although I'd probably fit Polec in for one of the bench assuming he has a good pre-season. The starting 18 is fantastic there - very versatile in terms of drifting forward/back and damaging too.

 

[POBT]

I'm trying to think which top 8 sides we wouldn't match up well on if we named all 3 of Merrett, Maguire and Patfull.

Hawks - Franklin, Roughead/Hale, Gunston
Sydney - Reid, LRT, Goodes
Adelaide - Walker, Tippett/Jenkins, ??? (maybe Patfull would get Porplyzia?)
Collingwood - Cloke, Dawes, ??? (a bit hard to say give the uncertainty around Cloke)
West Coast - Kennedy, Darling, Cox/Lynch/NicNat
Geelong - Hawkins, Podsiadly, Chapman/SJ
North - Petrie, Hansen, Tarrant
Freo - Pavlich, Bradley, Mayne

I reckon we'd match up against most of those sides. Obviously, against anyone who plays 3 genuine talls, we'd want all 3 - Hawks, Sydney, West Coast, North. I reckon Patfull is a really good match up for the Porps/Mayne type of forwards. Where we might struggle a bit is where a club like Geelong relies on a Chappy/SJ type as the 3rd tall but, even then, I reckon they'll use Vardy very much as a forward-ruck next year.

In other words, I'm not seeing anything there that should really scare us off naming all 3 experienced key defenders most weeks.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

B: Patfull - Merrett - Adcock
HB: Hanley - Maguire - Golby
C: Rockliff - Rich - Zorko
HF: Karnezis - Brown - Beams
F: McGrath - Lisle - Bewick
Foll: Leuenberger - Raines - Redden
I: Lester - Harwood - Green SUB: Docherty

Like the team but still think you need a spot for Black
Think the forward line might lack some pressure, like most I'm hoping for a big preseason from Karnezis to help in this area, I like our forward line with him there.

Players missing out from your team Black, Polec, Banfield, Polkinghorne, Yeo, longer and a few others and adding another 3 top 30 picks, ourlist is getting depth. Exciting times a head

 

[JasRulz63]

Collingwood - Cloke, Dawes, ??? (a bit hard to say give the uncertainty around Cloke)

I think the Pies play Goldsack as a third tall, which is a type of player Patfull would match up well against on.

 

[kylegee28]

Like the team but still think you need a spot for Black

Always knew I was going to forget someone important... Blacky, will you ever forgive me

It's getting too difficult to select a team from our current crop... Can we boycott this years draft

B: Patfull - Merrett - Adcock
HB: Hanley - Maguire - Golby
C: Rockliff - Rich - Zorko
HF: Karnezis - Brown - Beams
F: McGrath - Lisle - Bewick
Foll: Leuenberger - Raines - Redden
I: Lester - Polkinghorne - Black SUB: Green

I think that side is a bit more realistic with Polec and Banfield the two other big contenders for round 1.