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As a touch of a left field choice, assuming we miss on Boyd, why not Mitch Harvey at our second - or even third - pick? BIG forward at 196cm 97kg, kicking bags in the SANFL Unders, Saints connection through Matt Rendell (his uncle).

http://www.scpaige.com.au/dratees-in-focus-mitch-harvey/

If we concede that Stanley is yet to impress in the forward/ruck role, and that having one of those is more than handy, he could be a judicious pick in a draft where quality mids run deep...

Forward line in a few years could then be;

HF: Markworth - Lee - Minchington
FF: Saad - White - Harvey



Might be fun yelling "HARVEEEEEEEEEEY" again, at least til Connor gets his guernsey ;)
 

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Harvey presents really well and is a strong mark, but I think that if we don't get Boyd we should change our focus to more midfielders. If we manage to get another second round pick, Battersby is one I would look at. Honeychurch and possibly Bontempelli are others that should be considered.
 

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Harvey presents really well and is a strong mark, but I think that if we don't get Boyd we should change our focus to more midfielders. If we manage to get another second round pick, Battersby is one I would look at. Honeychurch and possibly Bontempelli are others that should be considered.
BIG fan of Battersby - won AA selection at the Champs as a back pocket with the odd run on-ball; sounds the perfect bloke to release Wright or Geary into the midfield rotations. Honeychurch I know had a great Champs, but I don't know much about him except that he's short, and Bontempelli reminds me of Koutafides - he could be anything. Nice choices :thumbsu:
 

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Re Honeychurch; these bits made me very keen:
Work ethic, thrives for a contest, big tackler, running machine, goal kicker, big accumulator of the football, very well balanced on both sides of his body, safe hands, dangerous at ground level, can play in a variety of roles, adds bite and excitement, courageous and physical, wears his heart on his sleeve, passionate, elite kick, huge endurance base, very disciplined during his rehab, lives and breathes football, wins his own ball and an all-round very good clubman.
He may be small in stature, but this pint-sized beauty is as tough, hard and physical as they come. “Honey” is a born competitor, thrives for the contested football, loves the bash and crash, and doesn’t mind a bit of yapping and push and shove, either. Honeychurch has been a prolific ball-winning midfielder throughout the National Championships where he averaged 25 disposals across his 4 games at the champs, whilst also fittingly taking home Metro’s MVP award, underlining his importance to the team, and the high esteem in which his teammates hold him in. Super talented, and balanced on both sides of his body, Honeychurch has got some serious toe when he takes off, and is calm under pressure, almost always hitting up a target by hand or foot
http://www.scpaige.com.au/draftees-in-focus-mitch-honeychurch/
 

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BIG fan of Battersby - won AA selection at the Champs as a back pocket with the odd run on-ball; sounds the perfect bloke to release Wright or Geary into the midfield rotations. Honeychurch I know had a great Champs, but I don't know much about him except that he's short, and Bontempelli reminds me of Koutafides - he could be anything. Nice choices :thumbsu:
Battersby is a bona-fide ball winner. A genuine inside midfielder who has elite disposal use. I'm currently working on Honeychurch's write-up (I have him going 1 pick before us at 21) and I definitely agree with what you said in regards to Bontempelli. He has all the physical tools to become an A-Grader. With some great performances he COULD slip into the top ten of the draft.
 

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Honeychurch represented Vic Metro at the under 18 carnival and earned All-Australian honours. Honeychurch's excellent performances also earned him the Vic Metro MVP. The first thing that standouts about the game of Honeychurch is his attack on the football. He is a ferocious competitor, Honeychurch will attack the ball at all times, sometimes recklessly. He is capable of winning contested ball and clearances with his tenacity. He is also very courageous and passionate. When he is involved in stoppages inside the attacking 50, he is capable of creating goals. Honeychurch will have to work on his decision making and composure at AFL level, the former often lets him down as he is too happy to kick to low percentage options at times.
My write-up of Mitch Honeychurch
 

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At the risk of being shot down as a blasphemer, I heard on SEN the option of Dal + pick 3 for Pick 1 (Boyd).
Top key position players are like hens teeth but you can build your side around them.
Maybe Monty or Dal could both work on this but we need a future Roo far more than an upper quartile mid to relaunch again IMO.
The transition has begun and we need to sell one or two players who have good market value to get hold of top talent coming through.
 

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At the risk of being shot down as a blasphemer, I heard on SEN the option of Dal + pick 3 for Pick 1 (Boyd).
Top key position players are like hens teeth but you can build your side around them.
Maybe Monty or Dal could both work on this but we need a future Roo far more than an upper quartile mid to relaunch again IMO.
The transition has begun and we need to sell one or two players who have good market value to get hold of top talent coming through.
Possibly Dal and Aish/Kelly for Boyd? Nah, I'll take the former anyday. Trading Dal is a possibility but not for such a little amount.
 

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I'd be wanting more than a two pick upgrade if I was putting Dal or Joey on the trade table, even to get Boyd.

If we did that trade to get Boyd it would also be reducing our midfield options for next year, when we ideally need to be increasing them, so if we were considering putting a Dal or Joey AND our first pick on the table I'd probably look to add something/someone else to the equation, like Gilbo and/or our 2nd rounder, to get a Taylor Adams/pick 10 (so that we could get a Sheed/Dunstan/Freeman/Taylor/Crouch) and maybe also GWS's 2nd rounder, thrown into the deal. (ie. Dal/Joey, pick 3, Gilbo and pick 23 for pick 1, Adams, pick 10 and pick 40).

The thing with Boyd though is that I don't think it would work having all of Boyd, Mac and Hickey in the team at the same time, so I think it pretty much comes down to Mac v Boyd. If we are not willing to trade Mac (or Hickey) then I don't think there's a lot of point in going after Boyd, as we would likely be too top heavy with them all in the same team long-term.

Given that we've had a good look at Hickey forward this year and not liked what we've seen (at least when it comes to his diabolical kicking for goal) maybe it would be a good idea to play Mac forward for much of the remaining rounds (if Hickey- with help from Rhys- is up to rucking for most of the time), to see if he looks like he'd be suited to playing mainly forward, because if he doesn't then maybe Boyd comes right into calculations. If he does then there's probably no great need to give up a significant amount for Boyd, as the Mac/White/Lee forward combo could then suffice, long-term.
 

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I'd be wanting more than a two pick upgrade if I was putting Dal or Joey on the trade table, even to get Boyd.

If we did that trade to get Boyd it would also be reducing our midfield options for next year, when we ideally need to be increasing them, so if we were considering putting a Dal or Joey AND our first pick on the table I'd probably look to add something/someone else to the equation, like Gilbo and/or our 2nd rounder, to get a Taylor Adams/pick 10 (so that we could get a Sheed/Dunstan/Freeman/Taylor/Crouch) and maybe also GWS's 2nd rounder, thrown into the deal.
Market value is an interesting thing isn't it.
If we were selling Dal on his own what pick would we get?
GWS have the Boyd card and as supporters we are probably not going to know the truth when it comes to a bidding war on the meat market. A combination of picks / players could work though and I don't think we should discard the thought of losing one of our better players for the improvement of the future.
From what we have done in the last couple of years I can see value in the recruiting team so keeping the faith either way.
 

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I'd be wanting more than a two pick upgrade if I was putting Dal or Joey on the trade table, even to get Boyd.

If we did that trade to get Boyd it would also be reducing our midfield options for next year, when we ideally need to be increasing them, so if we were considering putting a Dal or Joey AND our first pick on the table I'd probably look to add something/someone else to the equation, like Gilbo and/or our 2nd rounder, to get a Taylor Adams/pick 10 (so that we could get a Sheed/Dunstan/Freeman/Taylor/Crouch) and maybe also GWS's 2nd rounder, thrown into the deal.

The thing with Boyd though is that I don't think it would work having all of Boyd, Mac and Hickey in the team at the same time, so I think it pretty much comes down to Mac v Boyd. If we are not willing to trade Mac (or Hickey) then I don't think there's a lot of point in going after Boyd, as we would likely be too top heavy with them all in the same team long-term.

Given that we've had a good look at Hickey forward this year and not liked what we've seen (at least when it comes to his diabolical kicking for goal) maybe it would be a good idea to play Mac forward for much of the remaining rounds (if Hickey- with help from Rhys- is up to rucking for most of the time), to see if he looks like he'd be suited to playing mainly forward, because if he doesn't then maybe Boyd comes right into calculations. If he does then there's probably no great need to give up a significant amount for Boyd, as the Mac/White/Lee forward combo could then suffice, long-term.

i'm not sure you can compare boyd to hickey/big ben. its like comparing white to hickey/big ben. talking about a key fwd vs two ruckmen, both of which are terrible fwds

boyd vs stanley would be a fairer comparison

the way i see it long term. big ben/hickey/pierce all fight it out for the number 1 ruck. fwds chosen from white/lee/stanley/boyd. back on resting ruck could be stanley we'll see
 

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What your club needs to do to get pick one

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The Saints' only currency if they deal for Tom Boyd is ruckman Ben McEvoy. Greater Western Sydney needs a ruckman, and McEvoy, 24, fits their age profile nicely. A top-10 draft pick, he is highly rated by the Saints and is about to come into his own. The Saints could package McEvoy with their first pick (likely to be No.3) for pick No.1 and the Giants' mid first-round compensation pick (No.10). Tom Hickey, who has played eight games this season, would become the club's No.1 ruckman, getting the opportunity he needs to reach his potential.
What are the chances?
The Saints should move heaven and earth to get the No.1 pick and they are in a good position to do so, as they'll likely have the third pick to deal with. However, it depends on what mature talent they're ready to part with. McEvoy is seen as a key part of the club's future, so it may be unlikely he heads north. If it doesn't happen, Saints fans can look forward to welcoming one of James Aish, Matt Scharenberg, Josh Kelly or Jack Billings to Seaford. - Nathan Schmook

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-24/what-your-club-needs-to-do-to-get-pick-1

 

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As a touch of a left field choice, assuming we miss on Boyd, why not Mitch Harvey at our second - or even third - pick? BIG forward at 196cm 97kg, kicking bags in the SANFL Unders, Saints connection through Matt Rendell (his uncle).

http://www.scpaige.com.au/dratees-in-focus-mitch-harvey/

If we concede that Stanley is yet to impress in the forward/ruck role, and that having one of those is more than handy, he could be a judicious pick in a draft where quality mids run deep...

Forward line in a few years could then be;

HF: Markworth - Lee - Minchington
FF: Saad - White - Harvey



Might be fun yelling "HARVEEEEEEEEEEY" again, at least til Connor gets his guernsey ;)
I see Harvey as a good prospect, but I think if we do go after someone else to play key forward (along with ideally White and Lee) they would pretty much have to be able to pinch-hit in the ruck and I'm not sure Harvey fits that bill.

Like with Boyd, I think we'd be too top-heavy if we had all of Mac, Hickey, Harvey, White and Lee in the team (unless one or more of them were playing down back), so we would then just about have to make a decision about which of Mac, Hickey and Harvey were going to play that "power-forward"-pinch-hitting-in-the-ruck role and I'm not sure Harvey is suited to it, so there might not be a lot of point in us drafting him (if we're happy with White and Lee). And if we were going to trade a Mac/Hickey to fit in someone to play FF (which is what we'd pretty much have to do, as there wouldn't be room for both of them, a "power-forward", White and Lee), we would only trade him for someone as good as Boyd, not a Harvey.

If we're concerned that we won't be able to (ideally) play both Hickey and Mac in the same team long term, then we'd probably need to target someone who is suited to playing both FF and also spending some time in the ruck, which is another part of the reason I keep on suggesting Boyd (if we don't think the Mac/Hickey combo will work), because he's not only genuinely outstanding and dominant, but also looks suited to fulfilling those dual roles (mainly forward, but a little time in the ruck, possibly split with Rhys).
 

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Yep that's what he's suggesting. Not the worst suggesion out there and certainly better value than Macca + Pick 3 for Pick 1.

Would leave us with Pick 1, 10 and 21. Not bad.

Boyd and 2 quality mids...with a bit of luck pick 10 mid will be elite! That sets us up nicely. Chuck in Mitch Brown at pick 40ish plus another state league defender than that would be a huge draft for us!
 

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Harvey presents really well and is a strong mark, but I think that if we don't get Boyd we should change our focus to more midfielders. If we manage to get another second round pick, Battersby is one I would look at. Honeychurch and possibly Bontempelli are others that should be considered.
If we came out of this draft with something like Aish, Honeychurch, Bontempelli. I would we be over the moon.
I think Honey and Bontempelli will go to early for our 2nd / 3rd pick... Unless we trade for pick 10 or so.
 
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