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All the more reason to throw up a few of our million half backs. We need at least two key defenders this offseason which doesn't leave much room for all of Fisher, Gwilt, Roberton, Dempster, Gilbert, Wright, Stanley if he goes back. Throw in Dunell as well.
Exactly right.

The sad truth is not only do we need two genuine key backs, we need GIANT ones. The days of the 193/194cm key defender are numbered unless they're truly exceptional, even Rance at 195cm is going to be giving away inches soon. Look at the big key forwards knocking around the competition; Franklin is 196cm, Cloke 196cm, Hawkins 196cm and Petrie 197cm. The younger generation however, are a bunch of freaks; Charlie Dixon is 200cm, Day 196cm but with a monster leap, Cameron and Patton are both 197cm but potentially still growing, and Boyd, at 17, is 199cm and 100kgs already and hasn't even been drafted yet!

Compare that to the halcyon days of the 'big forwards': Lockett was 'only' 191cm, Dunstall 188cm, Ablett 185cm(!) and the tallest, Carey at 192cm. On height, Ablett would be a short-ish midfielder these days.

That's why I'm so keen on Keeffe at 204cm, 102kgs and athletic, regardless of whether he'll be a genuine star, he looks comfortable at the level and moves beautifully deapite his size. I'm wary of throwing money at anyone between 192cm and 195cm because I think in two years time they'll be outsized by ther freakish opponents. 197cm plus and young for me please, and genuine defenders, extra strings to their bow are a luxury, not a right. The no-names are out there, hiding in country footy, the under 18's (where being a dour defender isnt 'fashionable'), or on Rookie lists learning their craft.

Lets find them.
 

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isnt frankalin a free agent and therefore a trade isnt required?
A trade isn't required, but two clubs might be able to still broker trade if they decide to..
He can certainly walk, just like BJ, if the Hawks aren't willing to match GWS's offer..
But if the Hawks were to only receive a pick between 12-18 for compensation, the Hawks might prefer to trade Franklin for Adams instead, subject to GWS co-operation..
I'm not certain what the process is, but i'll look into it later..
 
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A trade isn't required, but two clubs might be able to still broker trade if they decide to..
He can certainly walk, just like BJ, if the Hawks aren't willing to match GWS's offer..
But if the Hawks were to only receive a pick between 12-18 for compensation, the Hawks might prefer to trade Franklin for Adams instead, subject to GWS co-operation..
I'm not certain what the process is, but i'll look into it later..
Sorry but doesn't free agency do away with picks and trading between clubs, for these older, experienced players.

Restricted Free Agent - host club has the option of matching the written offer from another club. If they match the offer, the player stays where he is, OR he goes into the end of season draft and anyone can draft him

Free Agent - entirely up to the player where he goes and for how much. There is no restriction on the player of which club he goes to or for what amount

The AFL gives compensation pick to the club losing the player, based on an unnamed formula, to in part compensate for the loss of this player.

So if I understand it correctly, Hawthorn can match a GWS offer for Buddy, but if they can't and he wants to go, its the same as Goddard to Essendon.

Where picks, trades etc come into player is for players that are younger and not yet at Free / Restricted Agent status. Please correct if I have got this incorrect, but how I believe that this works.
 
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Sunny, you can trade whoever you want, its called a sign and trade in the NBA for teams to protect their assets, HOWEVER, it depends on Buddy agreeing to talk during the trade period.
Having said that, what would the benefit be to GWS to do a deal with Hawthorn? Why give away assets when they get him for free?
 

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Exactly. Why would GWS give up anything if they can get him for 'free'? Unless the Hawks were to package Buddy up with another key player and offer that up to GWS for a good deal (although I can't see them doing that either)
 

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Hawthorn actually have a 10% better winning % when Buddy isn't playing (since 2010, reportedly), so it certainly won't be the end of the world if he leaves them, as it wasn't for Geelong, when Ablett left them for GC. They'll end up with two top 20 picks to play with this year and it will open up a mountain of free salary cap space for them to go after someone else through trade, or FA. Maybe not this year, but next year. One or two "gun mids" to help enhance and then eventually replace the aging midfield that they have.

Could actually be the best thing for them in the long run, as their forward line would still be relatively strong, with Roughead, Hale, Gunston, Rioli, Breust and with Tim O'Brien coming through. On the other hand, if he stays, he will take up a huge chunk of their salary cap for the next few years, which will make it much harder to add high-end mature quality to their aging midfield any time soon.

Would be a big loss to marketing and so on though.
 

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I'm sick of seeing our forwards, even Koschitzke who's a big lad, getting rag-dolled by opposition backs. Lee isn't a beast, Maister is generally ordinary anyway. Lets get some big bodies in, like this bloke (who God knows, probably can't even play if he can't get a if he can't get a gig as a KPF at the Dogs):
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Age : 22yr 5mth
Born : December 13, 1990
Height : 194cm
Weight : 100kg
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Exactly right.

The sad truth is not only do we need two genuine key backs, we need GIANT ones. The days of the 193/194cm key defender are numbered unless they're truly exceptional, even Rance at 195cm is going to be giving away inches soon. Look at the big key forwards knocking around the competition; Franklin is 196cm, Cloke 196cm, Hawkins 196cm and Petrie 197cm. The younger generation however, are a bunch of freaks; Charlie Dixon is 200cm, Day 196cm but with a monster leap, Cameron and Patton are both 197cm but potentially still growing, and Boyd, at 17, is 199cm and 100kgs already and hasn't even been drafted yet!

Compare that to the halcyon days of the 'big forwards': Lockett was 'only' 191cm, Dunstall 188cm, Ablett 185cm(!) and the tallest, Carey at 192cm. On height, Ablett would be a short-ish midfielder these days.

That's why I'm so keen on Keeffe at 204cm, 102kgs and athletic, regardless of whether he'll be a genuine star, he looks comfortable at the level and moves beautifully deapite his size. I'm wary of throwing money at anyone between 192cm and 195cm because I think in two years time they'll be outsized by ther freakish opponents. 197cm plus and young for me please, and genuine defenders, extra strings to their bow are a luxury, not a right. The no-names are out there, hiding in country footy, the under 18's (where being a dour defender isnt 'fashionable'), or on Rookie lists learning their craft.

Lets find them.
Jeez, maybe we should take Boyd if he's there just so it's one less monster we have to worry about!
 

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I'm sick of seeing our forwards, even Koschitzke who's a big lad, getting rag-dolled by opposition backs. Lee isn't a beast, Maister is generally ordinary anyway. Lets get some big bodies in, like this bloke (who God knows, probably can't even play if he can't get a if he can't get a gig as a KPF at the Dogs):

I don't even understand the rules anymore. Seems its OK for a defender to hold and shove a forward around, except on random occasions when the ump blows the whistle. Seems to create a race to find the biggest gorilla rather than the most skilful guy to get the ball.
 

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Jeez, maybe we should take Boyd if he's there just so it's one less monster we have to worry about!
You know what's more frightening? Our tallest natural defenders are Dylan Roberton, Sam Gilbert and Jack Ferguson, all at 194cm - and they're all tall flankers. The heaviest is Gilbert at 'only' 92 kgs. The other options are Rhys Stanley (200cm), who's not a natural defender and easily rag-dolled, Jay Lever (200cm) who's a twig, and Jordan Staley (194cm), who's only learning the caper as a backman and is a Rookie to boot!

We already knew we seriously need KPDs, but this puts it into bloody stark focus.

My view is that you don't pass up on what are considered to be 'once in a generation'-type talents anyway. He's got the body to play straight away, and by God have we missed a pack-spitting monster in the Lockett-esque mould anyway.
 

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Redpath looked useless in the NAB Cup and considering Dogs are dieing for a KPF if he was any good they'd be playing him in the seniors.
I know, but he's the perfect size for the example I wanted to show. He's a bloody beast! And we have exactly none of those, at either end.
 

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As I said in another thread. We'd have to go Boyd if he is available. Roughead/Franklin = Boyd/White

If he isn't then we will have the choice of the draft for that a grade midfield, (other than Boyd/Aish who at this stage are top 2 picks but that could change over the next 6 months)

Go for Brown from WCE and another KPD from maybe the state league who could play now.

Then more good quality mids both inside and outside

Next 2 years of drafting will set us up for the following 6 years I reckon.
 

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As I said in another thread. We'd have to go Boyd if he is available. Roughead/Franklin = Boyd/White

If he isn't then we will have the choice of the draft for that a grade midfield, (other than Boyd/Aish who at this stage are top 2 picks but that could change over the next 6 months)

Go for Brown from WCE and another KPD from maybe the state league who could play now.

Then more good quality mids both inside and outside

Next 2 years of drafting will set us up for the following 6 years I reckon.
We can write the finals off, but we can gain a great deal by getting games into the younger guys..
The one criteria, is they must only be selected on the back of "solid" form, not for the sake of it..!!
I firmly believe form & attitude should be rewarded..!!
 
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Sunny, you can trade whoever you want, its called a sign and trade in the NBA for teams to protect their assets, HOWEVER, it depends on Buddy agreeing to talk during the trade period.
Having said that, what would the benefit be to GWS to do a deal with Hawthorn? Why give away assets when they get him for free?
Brian thats what I was saying. If Buddy or another experienced player wants to go to a certain club, there is no need for trading and picks. GWS for instance would get Buddy for nothing, as long as they can fit him in their salary cap.
 
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Hawthorn actually have a 10% better winning % when Buddy isn't playing (since 2010, reportedly), so it certainly won't be the end of the world if he leaves them, as it wasn't for Geelong, when Ablett left them for GC. They'll end up with two top 20 picks to play with this year and it will open up a mountain of free salary cap space for them to go after someone else through trade, or FA. Maybe not this year, but next year. One or two "gun mids" to help enhance and then eventually replace the aging midfield that they have.

Could actually be the best thing for them in the long run, as their forward line would still be relatively strong, with Roughead, Hale, Gunston, Rioli, Breust and with Tim O'Brien coming through. On the other hand, if he stays, he will take up a huge chunk of their salary cap for the next few years, which will make it much harder to add high-end mature quality to their aging midfield any time soon.

Would be a big loss to marketing and so on though.
Aussie can you clarify for me. If Buddy or another superstar leaves, under the new Free Agency compensation, isn't it restricted to one pick, as determined by the AFL? Or if they are a Buddy type player, can they get two picks? Either two first round, or one first round and a second? Thought it was one pick only, but would love to know for sure.
 
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Aussie can you clarify for me. If Buddy or another superstar leaves, under the new Free Agency compensation, isn't it restricted to one pick, as determined by the AFL? Or if they are a Buddy type player, can they get two picks? Either two first round, or one first round and a second? Thought it was one pick only, but would love to know for sure.
Only 1 pick!
 
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ST Thanks so much. Thats what I thought. But I keep seeing on here, the Hawks will get two.
2 picks were for when GWS/GC were first coming into comp and they had access to out contract players. It's completely different compensation to Free Agency. It's why if you were going lose player you would have preferred it then. But under FA you can only get one pick.
 

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Brian thats what I was saying. If Buddy or another experienced player wants to go to a certain club, there is no need for trading and picks. GWS for instance would get Buddy for nothing, as long as they can fit him in their salary cap.
My way of thinking Sunshine, was that the Hawks mids Mitchell, Hodge & Sewell are all approaching 30..
And instead of the Hawks looking at a compensation pick anywhere from 1-20 (who knows), they might turn around & strike a trade instead where the Hawks might receive GWS midfielders Adams & Nick Haynes for Buddy & let's suggest pick 25.. Purely a hypothetical scenario, but one that could be pulled off if both clubs came to an agreement..
 
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