Mega Thread 2013 TRADE PERIOD discussion thread - Aidan Riley (Crows) added as a DFA

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In reality, I'd say we've been very good at picking up players we've targeted: Clark in 2012 and Dawes last year come to mind. Not to mention, Hogan and then Viney at 26, were the result of some smart moves behind the scenes. I think the only thing that stopped us doing a bit better last year was the unexpectedly low compo we received for Moloney and Rivers. I also think we did very well last year to offload unwanted but contracted players (Bennell, Gysberts, Morton, Martin).

There are a huge range of variables involved in these kinds of trades, and it's a bit more complicated than "player x doesn't want to come to Melbourne".
Clarke from BL, they weren't and are still not a successful club (language changed for Deefolt's benefit).
Dawes I guess is different. Let go from a successful club but nobody else wanted him. We had Neeld at the time. Yay.

As for who we let go. Completely irrelevant to my argument, but I agree we did manage to offload some crap.
 

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Success scale isnt have not... but you know... lets make up terms

"Look at Savage for eg, he needs to leave for opportunities but there's no way he'll go to a bottom club (that would probably his best chance of regular footy). I'd be shocked if he landed at MFC. We have a long, long way to go before we could expect to pick up some serious talent off the top end of town."Dont believe I am reading into anything there bud... I believe this is referring to Savage? If so you just called him average, so yes it is the point actually.
As I said in plain old fashion English chief, Savage is average. My initial post was about the 'state of play' rather than individuals. Savage was used as an example. Enhances my point that we won't be able to lure an average player from a top end club.
 

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Dawes I guess is different. Let go from a successful club but nobody else wanted him.
OK, so if we get someone decent, it's not because they wanted to come to MFC, or we did a good job in getting them, it's because of failings at the club they were at.

As for Dawes, there were quite a few in the hunt - the Dogs, for example, wanted him badly (and still need big forwards). We won.

Footballers move for any number of reasons: money, game-time, game-style, family, lifestyle, friends, coaches, facilities, longer-term possibilities, money etc. etc.. When MFC match those criteria better than anyone else, they'll come to us, when we don't, they won't. It's no more or less simple than that.

(As for Savage, he is NOT going to go to another club where yet again he has to queue up behind 4 or 5 established mids, regardless of whether they're "haves" or "have-nots".)
 

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If we get a Roughead, Thomas, Cotchin, Naitanui, Bennell or Coniglio, I'll be stoked. Walker, Wells or Ball would be very good.

Gumbleton would be a nightmare (good player when he plays. Doesn't play). Difficult to judge Trengove and O'Rourke.

3 out of 4 chance of success!

If we do go through the draft though we seriously need someone to come on as quickly as Bennell and Coniglio have in pretty poor sides. Or even Trengove in 2010 and 2011 (before the curse of the captaincy ):
Or wines or Vlastuin this year.
 

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As I said in plain old fashion English chief, Savage is average. My initial post was about the 'state of play' rather than individuals. Savage was used as an example. Enhances my point that we won't be able to lure an average player from a top end club.
you said we have a long way since we can attract serious talent while also saying he wont come... I can connect dots you know

way to back track
 

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I personally think they would be mad to trade pick 2. Boyd or Aish (likely) how can you go wrong. Aish is in his second year of SANFL footy and could easily come in and have an impact like Wines has at port. No point throwing it away for B graders, you should target those type of through Free Agency.

Trade a lower pick for Savage, get Cross, take a chance on someone like Vezpremi, get Mitchie from Dockers, even Chapman wouldn't be a bad short term option
 

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I trust the football department to get this free agency and trade period spot on, Paul roos knows our list, he knows what we are missing and he also knows how to find it, im sure we wont pass on two for a cpl of recycled players, we will have a hit list..

in fact if we take cross and chapman as delisted free agents and bring in michie and an atley/myers/colyer or one of those types then we will have enough cover to go the draft and take a kelly or an aish

We are in a good position with our picks, whatever happens im confident
 

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I trust the football department to get this free agency and trade period spot on, Paul roos knows our list, he knows what we are missing and he also knows how to find it, im sure we wont pass on two for a cpl of recycled players, we will have a hit list..

in fact if we take cross and chapman as delisted free agents and bring in michie and an atley/myers/colyer or one of those types then we will have enough cover to go the draft and take a kelly or an aish

We are in a good position with our picks, whatever happens im confident
Agreed. Listening to viney at the combine I'm more of the opinion now we're holding onto 2. Could still go but nothing of great note has come along yet. Michie and cross would be a great start.
 

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Agreed. Listening to viney at the combine I'm more of the opinion now we're holding onto 2. Could still go but nothing of great note has come along yet. Michie and cross would be a great start.

I guess with Roos coming we all want just to be good next year but the reality is we will most likely have another top 5 pick that could be traded next year as well plus a look at some more free agents
 
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What our club should take out of the past couple of free agency periods is that we need to be in on next years free agents now, not when next years window opens. Sydney and Franklin, Essendon and Goddard, major moves are done and dusted well before the start of free agency periods.
We should be working on next years available free agents now, so it's all tied up well in advance.
 

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What our club should take out of the past couple of free agency periods is that we need to be in on next years free agents now, not when next years window opens. Sydney and Franklin, Essendon and Goddard, major moves are done and dusted well before the start of free agency periods.
We should be working on next years available free agents now, so it's all tied up well in advance.
Is there a list of these guys anywhere? would be interested to see who is up for grabs.
 

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What our club should take out of the past couple of free agency periods is that we need to be in on next years free agents now, not when next years window opens. Sydney and Franklin, Essendon and Goddard, major moves are done and dusted well before the start of free agency periods.
We should be working on next years available free agents now, so it's all tied up well in advance.
Couldn't agree more. You have a much greater chance of landing a big free agency fish if you're doing the background work 12 months in advance.

Yeah, a list would be handy to see who's currently going to fall into this category in 2014.
 

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Couldn't agree more. You have a much greater chance of landing a big free agency fish if you're doing the background work 12 months in advance.

Yeah, a list would be handy to see who's currently going to fall into this category in 2014.
Clubs eye 'strong' 2014 free agency pool

2014 FREE AGENTS
The following are some of the players set to become free agents next year:

Brisbane Lions
Ash McGrath

Carlton
Bryce Gibbs, Kade Simpson, Jarrad Waite, Andrew Walker

Collingwood
Harry O'Brien, Ben Reid, Dane Swan

Essendon
Heath Hocking, Leroy Jetta

Fremantle
Garrick Ibbotson, David Mundy, Luke McPharlin, Matthew Pavlich, Aaron Sandilands

Geelong
Steve Johnson, James Kelly, Trent West

Hawthorn
Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell

Melbourne
James Frawley

North Melbourne
Todd Goldstein, Lachie Hansen, Lindsay Thomas

Port Adelaide
Travis Boak

St Kilda
Sam Fisher, James Gwilt, Leigh Montagna, Nick Riewoldt

Sydney Swans
Adam Goodes, Ryan O'Keefe, Nick Malceski, Ted Richards

West Coast
Shannon Hurn, Daniel Kerr, Matt Priddis

Western Bulldogs
Matthew Boyd, Shaun Higgins, Will Minson, Robert Murphy, Tom Williams
 

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Duncan and Christenson are guys that would fit our target zone.
Unfortunately for the Demons, going at a proven young midfielder isn't going to give you the results you want. Christensen definitely fits in to the type of guy you seem to be after. Young, proven quality midfielder with his best years still ahead of him.

The problem is that there's no way in the world Geelong would consider giving him up for pick 2. Looking at the list of past pick 2s I'd expect Christensen, by the end of his career, to sit quite comfortably in there. Not the best by any means but not the worst. So the gain for Geelong is minimal. We might get a better player but we might get a worse one. The potential damage for us is huge. We give up a much loved player with leadership abilities who's a proven performer on the big stage and steps up under pressure. We also risk our culture by giving up a player who has done everything asked of him. We'd also seriously set ourselves back for the next couple of years where you wouldn't expect pick 2 to have as much impact as Christensen.

Surely you guys can see that it would just be dumb of Geelong to do that. Duncan's similar although not as high quality a player so he'd be closer to the mark for us. Would we do it? Doubt it. I also can't see Melbourne giving up pick 2 for Duncan alone (and quite possibly not Christensen alone either). The difference between what Melbourne want and what any other club would be willing to give up is just too big. I think you're better off either keeping pick 2 or going for a young player who's still developing and a slightly lower pick as well to give yourselves 2 bites of the cherry. Fair enough asking for proven quality but it's not going to happen.
 

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Savage needs to leave Hawthorn ('have') to get a game. Melbourne ('have not') rarely are able to pick up a player like that as they generally go to another 'have'. I can't see any rocket science in it.
Oh come on. You guys picked up Byrnes AND Gillies from us last year. What more can you want?:p

Sorry that's harsh but I couldn't resist. Oh by the way I hear there's a guy called Trent West who might be available for the right price...
 

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Doubt we'd trade 2 for either of those players alone, we'd want a first rounder back in return.
Fair enough. But that's exactly why a deal isn't going to get done. Honestly if you're in Geelong's position would you give up Christensen for pick 2? Would you add in your first rounder as well? I wouldn't do the first one let alone the second.
 

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Oh come on. You guys picked up Byrnes AND Gillies from us last year. What more can you want?:p

Sorry that's harsh but I couldn't resist. Oh by the way I hear there's a guy called Trent West who might be available for the right price...

Dont know if you were taking the piss again but we dont need a ruckmen and certainly not for market value price
 

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Fair enough. But that's exactly why a deal isn't going to get done. Honestly if you're in Geelong's position would you give up Christensen for pick 2? Would you add in your first rounder as well? I wouldn't do the first one let alone the second.

Hey it gives you a better stagger in your age profile, not that a melbourne supporter should be giving a geelong supporter advice on list management :p

I seriously dont see a way that we could do a deal to have both parties happy
 

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Fair enough. But that's exactly why a deal isn't going to get done. Honestly if you're in Geelong's position would you give up Christensen for pick 2? Would you add in your first rounder as well? I wouldn't do the first one let alone the second.
Agreed, unless a really good player wants out of their club, I think we'll be taking 2 into the draft.
 
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