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It is .....it's just paranoid Adelaide supporters who have this complex

fact is who have we chased and missed to give this impression? .......hell Carey was prepared to come
don't worry bout defectors ..... only one who can be labelled as not liking SA was Tippett
Oh I don't know, how about Griffen, Pav, Hurn and the plethora of SA players who have never come home. Throw in the players we've lost and only deluded Crows supporters suggest we are a desirable club.

And the fact your example was Carey who was over 10 years ago doesn't help you build your case.
 

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Disagree.

The reality is, a huge part of why we didn't win won under Craig was sheer bad luck. If Hentschel doesn't get injured, if Biglands doesn't do a knee, if Roo doesn't get parvo, etc...

But they were the uncontrollables, what did we do about the things we could control?

McGregor and Perrie were never going to get us anywhere, yet we persisted with them. The same group players constantly failed to stand up under the pressure of finals - what did we do with them?

We've been good, and we've gone close, but, since Blighty, we've always lacked the balls to make the hard decisions that move us from a good team, to a great one.


It continued last year, and it's continuing this year. It was bloody obvious that Callinan and Petrenko shouldn't have played in that prelim, yet they were picked because they 'deserved' to, because they'd helped get us there.

That failure to make the hard decision, with soft justification, is exactly the reason we haven't won anything meaningful for the last 15 years.

Couldn't agree more......we need to be more aggressive. We need to go out and do whatever it takes (within the rules...I hope Trigg is reading this) to get game winning talent on this team. We've lost draft picks, making it even more imperative that we're aggressive. Get Stokes or Motlop and another player of great talent. Spend the million odd dollars that Tippett would've gotten. And for all those people who say we've got nothing to trade with, well we have to be pricks like Sydney and pay overs and as our position in the draft is low then we'd have a chance of getting that player without another team pipping us
 

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Disagree.

The reality is, a huge part of why we didn't win won under Craig was sheer bad luck. If Hentschel doesn't get injured, if Biglands doesn't do a knee, if Roo doesn't get parvo, etc...

But they were the uncontrollables, what did we do about the things we could control?

McGregor and Perrie were never going to get us anywhere, yet we persisted with them. The same group players constantly failed to stand up under the pressure of finals - what did we do with them?

We've been good, and we've gone close, but, since Blighty, we've always lacked the balls to make the hard decisions that move us from a good team, to a great one.


It continued last year, and it's continuing this year. It was bloody obvious that Callinan and Petrenko shouldn't have played in that prelim, yet they were picked because they 'deserved' to, because they'd helped get us there.

That failure to make the hard decision, with soft justification, is exactly the reason we haven't won anything meaningful for the last 15 years.
I agree that bad luck played a role.

I see your point about the Crows being risk averse. The whole of South Australia is conservative and risk averse by and large and I agree that a more proactive approach is needed. But being risk averse is completely different from accepting what you end up with and not striving for more.
 

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Cant see where Robinson will fit into the 22. Mainly a half forward, not blessed with electryfying pace. Who would he replace in our 22?
if we lose hendo, could he play hbf. think his height is similar and he's a damn sight harder at ball and player with it. not sure about him overhead though.

McKay, reilly and exchange of draft picks?
 

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Cant see where Robinson will fit into the 22. Mainly a half forward, not blessed with electryfying pace. Who would he replace in our 22?
One that will go at every contest 100% no matter what, I've got no issue with that. He mightn't be the best user going around but he can still find a bit of the ball and with how he attacks the play I wouldn't have a big issue if we went after him.
 

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Wouldn't want Robinson off half back, he isn't an elite user of the ball. Bit like Chris Knights in the sense where he burned it off half back and would be much better at half forward where he can at least have a shot on goal (doesn't have the leg of Knights).
 

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Oh I don't know, how about Griffen, Pav, Hurn and the plethora of SA players who have never come home. Throw in the players we've lost and only deluded Crows supporters suggest we are a desirable club.

And the fact your example was Carey who was over 10 years ago doesn't help you build your case.
The difference being SA has a culture of leaving Adelaide for better opportunity. It has been this way since before I was a Uni student. I remember the Uni people advertising how good they were because of the number of graduates that went on to careers interstate and overseas. Why would we expect footballers grown up in SA to be any different to the rest of the population. Many footballers would feel a loyalty to the club that drafted them. They become a part of the fabric of the club.

You fail to mention the Victorian or WA players that remain loyal to us. And don't go on about you don't rate the ones that have stayed but the players that have left.

Just because getting a player in ala Carey didn't work out, doesn't validate the argument that players won't come. Jarman came back. We just have to put offers out there. Of course everyone won't be interested, but some will be and some of those will be good players. You guys talk like there is some sort of formula, be a good club = players will flock in. But in reality players are people with lives, family, loyalty and each preson is a case by case basis. You can't draw a circle around the players who support your view but completely dismiss any player that doesn't support your argument.
 

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Obviously disappointing if true. Not only would we lose a player that we've spent years developing from nowhere but it will be another player that's chosen to leave our club.

If we are such a good club, why do we continually lose players? Even Port in 5 years of shitness still managed to retain the players the wanted.

Must disagree with that Port comparison: They have lost Shaun Burgoyne, Troy Chaplin, Ben Jacobs (all 1st round picks) plus Danyle Pearce, Nathan Krakouer & some other lesser illuminaries during that time.

As has already been argued by others above, only Tippett & Gunston were the ones that we failed to keep. (Maric, Knights, Griffin, Armstrong went with our blessings).
IMO Bock & Davis were unique circumstances, despite DABM's arguments to the contrary.
 
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ben hook dropped a rumour in his column today that Carlton's Robinson will be a Crow!!!! DO NOT WANT!
Awesome, this guy hits more people on the chest at the Big Day Out than he does on the footy field.

Please don't let this happen.
 
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Oh I don't know, how about Griffen, Pav, Hurn and the plethora of SA players who have never come home. Throw in the players we've lost and only deluded Crows supporters suggest we are a desirable club.

And the fact your example was Carey who was over 10 years ago doesn't help you build your case.
Oh cmon ........ Pav was never coming .....you do know that players develop strong player relationships within clubs once they are drafted

Players leave clubs for reasons:
1. More opportunity
2. More money
3. pressure from girlfriends & wives .......including where to raise families

Because the players you mentioned were settled where they are ....does not mean Adelaide is undesirable TO PLAY FOOTY

Hell lot of kids happy to re-sign to GWS ......wouldn't think NSW was more desirable .......kids like the constant media of AFL that they dont get in NSW

Now claiming the club is undesirable is just an emotional statement lacking in any factual basis .......it simply reinforces my view of the inferiority complex of Adelaide residents
 
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I agree that bad luck played a role.

I see your point about the Crows being risk averse. The whole of South Australia is conservative and risk averse by and large and I agree that a more proactive approach is needed. But being risk averse is completely different from accepting what you end up with and not striving for more.
all country towns are conservative .......to state Adelaide is not is foolish
 

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WW does bolding it makes it right? And you can **** off with your inferiority complex, it's not the first time you've chucked it in recently to help you try and win a point. Pretty petty and cheap.
 
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Just because getting a player in ala Carey didn't work out, doesn't validate the argument that players won't come. Jarman came back. We just have to put offers out there. Of course everyone won't be interested, but some will be and some of those will be good players. You guys talk like there is some sort of formula, be a good club = players will flock in. But in reality players are people with lives, family, loyalty and each preson is a case by case basis. You can't draw a circle around the players who support your view but completely dismiss any player that doesn't support your argument.
Great response an well articulated :thumbsu:
 
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WW does bolding it makes it right? And you can **** off with your inferiority complex, it's not the first time you've chucked it in recently to help you try and win a point. Pretty petty and cheap.
Get outside the bubble of Adelaide ....and it's a common view of the eastern States

Should i have said Adelaide suffers from little brother syndrome ......does that make it more palatable EC?

Still waiting on your rationale on your argument that Adelaide is undesireable .......waiting
 
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Maybe has already been said in the last few pages, but if people still think Gorringe is not worthy of a major effort to get to the AFC, they just don't recognise talent.
:thumbsu: been calling for his drafting for 12 months now ......IMO no chance Lycett and Goringe more flexible
 

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Maybe has already been said in the last few pages, but if people still think Gorringe is not worthy of a major effort to get to the AFC, they just don't recognise talent.

Went to the Suns game yesterday at footy park. Watched Gorringe very closely to see how he plays. First thing is he can really jump at the center bounces.Very athletic. Covers the ground easily and is very agile for a big guy. Can take a big contested mark but only from over the back,never backing back and grabbing one from the front posy. Beautiful kick of the ball. Should continue to improve with more games---only payed 15 games.Now for the negatives---He continually leads at the kicker to give him a 20 meter short option. Never gets to the spot down the line to be the go to big guy.This really impacts the Suns so much so that they often look to switch the ball instead of kicking to a contest. Doesn't like the physical stuff. Plays more like a ruck rover than a ruckman.
Worth us chasing? You bet!! A huge upgrade on McKernan.
 
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